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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-24-09 07:16 PMlinkie 2 Original message Poll question: Do you support the troops? Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 07:17 PM by armyowalgreensI recently got into it with someone about "hero worship". I attacked the position that you have to support the troops no matter what. It seems that this general support for the men and women of the armed forces is quite popular in the United States. I do think soldiers are capable of being heroes. But it bothers me that we do not examine their contributions as much as other people simply because they are enlisted. This is an especially relevant topic considering the current actions taken by our military. It's becoming fairly obvious that most of the modern conflicts we are involved with could be considered "unjustified" at best and "horrifying" at worst. So would it not be reasonable to assume that it's immoral to willingly participate in such actions? Do we assume that people who enlist don't know any better? I think that excuse would have made sense at some point in time. But it seems to be losing it's viability as we get deeper and deeper in this mess. The same goes for those who enlisted long ago. There may be legal actions taken against those who refuse to fight. But is that a good enough excuse to justify participation?I know this may seem hyperbolic without tangible references. But I am not trying to be an ass about. I promise.Feel free to explain your position.Poll result (5 votes) My support of the troops is unconditional. (1 votes, 20%) Vote There are conditions that must be met in order for myself to support the troops. (3 votes, 60%) Vote Other (please explain) (1 votes, 20%)
Our military is the closest thing to heroes we have in this country. There sure as shit aren't any at either end of Pennsylvania Avenue.
Among them, I'd have to include police, and firefighters. Oh and once in a great while, the occasional athlete.
Athletes may be good at what they do, but I would never put Dennis Rodman or Pacman Jones in the same category.
Poll result (55 votes) My support of the troops is unconditional. (22 votes, 40%) Vote There are conditions that must be met in order for myself to support the troops. (19 votes, 35%) Vote Other (please explain) (14 votes, 25%) Vote
armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-24-09 07:41 PMResponse to Reply #11 13. It's also a morally dishonerable war... I don't see how participating in it in any way is honorable.
Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-24-09 08:30 PMOriginal message Support the troops as a political catchphrase translates into support the war. I agree.
Kaleko (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-24-09 07:49 PMResponse to Original message 18. I support the awakening of every enlisted man and woman to the truth of what they are actually fighting for.One helpful quote:"Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." - Henry Kissinger
Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-24-09 08:29 PMResponse to Original message 45. Explain to me what "support " means. By the way:"Do we assume that people who enlist don't know any better?"What you are failing to take into account is the class draft.
These creatures would be the first ones screaming for protection against an enemy attack......
MOTHER F"ERs..... These creatures would be the first ones screaming for protection against an enemy attack......
Remember when the Code Pink ladies skanks wanted the Marines at the Berkley recruiting station to make "arrests" when counter protesters proved too much for their little minds?
Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-24-09 10:03 PM67. I don't. The govt. takes my money to support them no matter what I think of it. I do NOT support them. I do not approve of any overseas conflict. I wish the military budget would be cut to a tiny fraction of what it is and I wish that we got out of the weapon making business.**** the military. They take advantage of the poor and weak-minded to swell their ranks. **** them.Oh, did I mention that we WEAKEN national security with our overseas entanglements, not strengthen it.
There's a reason why patriotism is considered a conservative value. Watch a Tea Party rally and you'll see people proudly raising the American flag and showing pride in U.S. heroes such as Thomas Jefferson. Watch an OWS rally and you'll see people burning the American flag while showing pride in communist heroes such as Che Guevera. --Bob, from some news site
They take advantage of the poor and weak-minded to swell their ranks.
Poll result (68 votes) My support of the troops is unconditional. (29 votes, 43%) Vote There are conditions that must be met in order for myself to support the troops. (24 votes, 35%) Vote Other (please explain) (15 votes, 22%) Vote
The Stranger (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-24-09 09:59 PMResponse to Original message 65. I can't support a war crime. Neither should you.
Bonobo (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-24-09 11:48 PMResponse to Reply #73 75. Thanks, let's have lunch sometime You war-worshipping limp-dick assole.
Selatius (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-24-09 11:54 PMResponse to Original message 83. Coming from a family that lived and survived in Viet Nam during the war, I won't support any army... Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 11:55 PM by Selatiusthat intentionally targets civilians and civilian infrastructure. I'm all for people enlisting to protect the country, but being deployed overseas to maintain a garrison in a country that did not attack us is something I can't support. That's not defense. That's aggression.
I wonder if her head would explode if she realized I was neither?
The Stranger (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-24-09 09:59 PMResponse to Original message65. I can't support a war crime. Neither should you.
Neal, I wanted to send you another link like the one I sent last week that you talked about, but the DUmmies are in rare form. There are just so many to choose from. This is a section of my site dedicated to their idiocy. No, I'm not trying to promote it, just saying there are too many to list. I don't expect you to post my website. Hell, you'd probably crash it. Haha. Love ya Neal! http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php?board=10.0
I think we need to be able to buy a tag to go along with our huntin' license in order to hunt these pricks and prickettes down and exterminate them!This is TREASON, no ifs ands or buts! Maybe butts would be more appropriate!
Poll result (77 votes) My support of the troops is unconditional. (33 votes, 43%) Vote There are conditions that must be met in order for myself to support the troops. (26 votes, 34%) Vote Other (please explain) (18 votes, 23%)
Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-25-09 11:53 AMResponse to Original message 98. My answer is quite simple Edited on Tue Aug-25-09 11:54 AM by Downtown HoundI support the troops as human beings, not as soldiers. I am under no obligation to get behind them and cheer them on for participating in a war that I find morally reprehensible. Any soldier that tells me I have to get behind them for that, that I should shut up and not protest, or that if I don't support the war then I don't support them, can pretty much kiss my ass. Now, that being said, I believe that our troops, ALL of our troops, deserve nothing but the best treatment when they return home. None of them should ever be homeless or hungry again, even if it means building public housing for all of them and the money to support them has to come out of my taxpayer's wallet for the rest of my life, I'm okay with that. Ironically, how many of these SUV driving, yellow ribbon waving, American flag worshiping dipshits that prance around all the time saying, "Support Our Troops!" really give a flying **** about the homeless ones they pass on the street everyday? They don't really care about the troops. All they care about is what the troops do for them and how they make them feel. The minute that Faux News is turned off they forget about the troops.