Please shout out here if you support the troops who refuse to serve...

[Vagabond]

in fact I know of a pilot that completed Navy Test Pilot school and was sent to fill an Army billet in Iraq.

What Army billet was this person allegedly sent to fill?

According to the Commanding Officer of Patuxent River Naval Air Station, he was assigned to a billet managing a gym.  I was in the hall when he stated that at a  base meeting.  According to him the Navy currently has a policy of filling any billets the Army requests, no matter what they are.

[Vagabond]

This may have some small element of truth in it, the Navy has in fact filled some Army billets in fact I know of a pilot that completed Navy Test Pilot school and was sent to fill an Army billet in Iraq.  But!  Look closely at the contract, bottom line he goes where he's needed and when he is told.

They don't fly ANYONE straight from Basic Training to Iraq.

Correct!

That is the reason for a small element of truth.  Plus most DUmmie's wouldn't have any knowledge or notion of military school outside of basic.

[Rebel]

in fact I know of a pilot that completed Navy Test Pilot school and was sent to fill an Army billet in Iraq.

What Army billet was this person allegedly sent to fill?

According to the Commanding Officer of Patuxent River Naval Air Station, he was assigned to a billet managing a gym.  I was in the hall when he stated that at a  base meeting.  According to him the Navy currently has a policy of filling any billets the Army requests, no matter what they are.

They sent a pilot to fill a gym management position in Iraq? Seems like a serious misallocation of resources. MWR is generally charged with running those.

[Vagabond]

in fact I know of a pilot that completed Navy Test Pilot school and was sent to fill an Army billet in Iraq.

What Army billet was this person allegedly sent to fill?

According to the Commanding Officer of Patuxent River Naval Air Station, he was assigned to a billet managing a gym.  I was in the hall when he stated that at a  base meeting.  According to him the Navy currently has a policy of filling any billets the Army requests, no matter what they are.

They sent a pilot to fill a gym management position in Iraq? Seems like a serious misallocation of resources. MWR is generally charged with running those.

I know, but then again I couldn't come up for any good reason for him to be telling a lie.  Especially when there were people in the room that would have known otherwise and I would have heard otherwise.

[rich_t]

in fact I know of a pilot that completed Navy Test Pilot school and was sent to fill an Army billet in Iraq.

What Army billet was this person allegedly sent to fill?

According to the Commanding Officer of Patuxent River Naval Air Station, he was assigned to a billet managing a gym.  I was in the hall when he stated that at a  base meeting.  According to him the Navy currently has a policy of filling any billets the Army requests, no matter what they are.

I have to ask...  What is your source of info on this?  You previously posted "I know of a pilot..."

Do you personally know this person, or are you basing your comment on something you heard from a 3rd party?

The Navy Test Pilot school is rather hard to get into, and I find it hard to believe that a graduate of that school would be assigned to help run an Army gym.

http://www.navair.navy.mil/USNTPS/

[Vagabond]

^^^I've already posted, so you may have already read by now.  My source is the Commanding Officer or Patuxent River NAS, the base where the school is located.

[rich_t]

Now, honestly, the Army didn't turn out to be my cup of tea.

How many years did you serve?  I did 8.  It turned out not to be my cup of tea as well.

What was your MOS?  I started out as a 26Q.

According to the Commanding Officer of Patuxent River Naval Air Station, he was assigned to a billet managing a gym.  I was in the hall when he stated that at a  base meeting.

Just curious.. how is it that you just so happened to be in a Navy base meeting?

I'm not trying to offend you.

I'm just trying to reconcile comments that you have made that don't sound plausible.

[delilahmused]

( Iguess I should start this sentence with "so")I was telling my son about this thread and how (at least according to the DUmmies) he'd be ordered to rape, pillage, and shoot innocent children in cold blood. He can't do the whole disillusioned "my recruiter lied to me crap" because he got exactly the MOS he was promised and really loves being a Marine. Risking his invitation to Winter Soldier 25 (a.k.a. "yet another attempt to pass off those who never served as noble but troubled warriors"), he opted to stay out of the fray. Anyway, he said (paraphrasing because unlike the DUmmies I don't remember conversations word for word), "Mom, why would we want to shoot children, they don't run fast enough to be a challenge?!"

Cindie

[BlueStateSaint]

( Iguess I should start this sentence with "so")I was telling my son about this thread and how (at least according to the DUmmies) he'd be ordered to rape, pillage, and shoot innocent children in cold blood . . .  Anyway, he said (paraphrasing because unlike the DUmmies I don't remember conversations word for word), "Mom, why would we want to shoot children, they don't run fast enough to be a challenge?!"

Cindie

Five!

 

And three  to boot!

H5!

[DumbAss Tanker]

Well, I support them doing a year or two in confinement and leaving service with a dishonorable discharge and a felony conviction, does that count as support?

 

[BlueStateSaint]

Well, I support them doing a year or two in confinement and leaving service with a dishonorable discharge and a felony conviction, does that count as support?

 

Technically . . . because your tax dollars pay for the military budget, yes.

[Chris_]

Well, I support them doing a year or two in confinement and leaving service with a dishonorable discharge and a felony conviction, does that count as support?

 

I tend to be more supportive of the Judge Advocates Office determining that Congress' Use of Force authorization constitutes a Declaration of War for the purposes of the UCMJ, and that deserters should and will be charged, tried, and if convicted, punished according to that determination if their desertion took place after the Use of Force resolutions were issued.

After that, I'll happily let a hank of 1/2" rope do the supporting for me.

[TheSarge]

I tend to be more supportive of the Judge Advocates Office determining that Congress' Use of Force authorization constitutes a Declaration of War for the purposes of the UCMJ, and that deserters should and will be charged, tried, and if convicted, punished according to that determination if their desertion took place after the Use of Force resolutions were issued.

After that, I'll happily let a hank of 1/2" rope do the supporting for me.

Well we could always let RL imitate Hollywood and give them a "Dirty Dozen" option.

[Chris_]

I tend to be more supportive of the Judge Advocates Office determining that Congress' Use of Force authorization constitutes a Declaration of War for the purposes of the UCMJ, and that deserters should and will be charged, tried, and if convicted, punished according to that determination if their desertion took place after the Use of Force resolutions were issued.

After that, I'll happily let a hank of 1/2" rope do the supporting for me.

Well we could always let RL imitate Hollywood and give them a "Dirty Dozen" option.

Only if the 'Special Operation' they were being offered was a cave-by-cave search for Oslimy bin Slapnuts.

[TheSarge]

Only if the 'Special Operation' they were being offered was a cave-by-cave search for Oslimy bin Slapnuts.

Exactly!  They are the ones we send across the Paki border where our forces aren't allowed to go.


Give them the standard "deny all knowledge" speech...totally take their records out of the system and tell them to get going.

They come back with Osama dead or alive...they can walk.

But don't come back UNTIL you find him.

[Vagabond]

Now, honestly, the Army didn't turn out to be my cup of tea.

How many years did you serve?  I did 8.  It turned out not to be my cup of tea as well.

What was your MOS?  I started out as a 26Q.

According to the Commanding Officer of Patuxent River Naval Air Station, he was assigned to a billet managing a gym.  I was in the hall when he stated that at a  base meeting.

Just curious.. how is it that you just so happened to be in a Navy base meeting?

I'm not trying to offend you.

I'm just trying to reconcile comments that you have made that don't sound plausible.

I was in the Army from 1997 until 2002 as a 31S.  After I got out I started working for a defense contractor and have been promoted several times until I am now a test coordinator on a project management group. 

We (my project group) were conducting field testing on Pax River NAS.  This meeting was similar to a Batallion Commander's Call in the Army and was in a large auditorium, with a lot of Navy civilians and defense contractors, and it isn't a closed meeting.  I was there by shear bad luck.  I went to our base sponsor's office as he was headed there, he told me I should hear what was going on so I went.

Though I wont go much further, there are other reasons regarding decisions that may yet be made regarding who and where of my future employment.  I think he may have wanted me to know what I would be walking into.

[dutch508]

proud2Blib  (1000+ posts)       Sat Aug-23-08 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #3
10. Maybe you didn't understand my OP?
 But game on. I'll play.

1. Recruiters lie. My son's friend's dad went bankrupt and his college fund was gone. So he signed up. His recruiter told him if he joined the navy he would go to Japan. He just came home with a bullet inside him that he got while serving combat duty in Iraq. He didn't even get there on a ship. They flew him from basic training to Iraq.

This may have some small element of truth in it, the Navy has in fact filled some Army billets in fact I know of a pilot that completed Navy Test Pilot school and was sent to fill an Army billet in Iraq.  But!  Look closely at the contract, bottom line he goes where he's needed and when he is told.

2. Casey Sheehan wanted to be a priest. He also needed money for college so he signed up and was told he could be a chaplain. After basic, he was told he could be a mechanic. He was sent into combat. I think you know what happened to him.

Bullshit!  Number one, to join the Army as a chaplain implies that he would have completed seminary and have a collegiate degree.  Number two, if he really wanted to be a chaplain, he could have negotiated something in his second contract, since he didn't one is left to assume that Casey may well have been reasonably happy as a mechanic in the Army.  Diesel mechanics make good money on the outside.  Number three, now what?  Do you honestly believe that chaplain's are impervious to bullets and shrapnel?  I can assure you, DUmmie, they aren't.

3. Tomas Young signed up to go to Afghanistan. He was sent to Iraq and a sniper's bullet hit him in his chest while he was riding in an unprotected open truck on his 5th day in Iraq. He is now paralyzed from the chest down.

Incorrect, he signed up to go where the powers that be sent him.  I suppose next the DUmmies will insist that the snipers in Afghanistan aren't as good as the ones in Iraq.

4. Soldiers don't volunteer to die, to be lied to or to be maimed for life. The truly brave troops are resisting. Soldiers who spoke out and refused orders in Vietnam helped end that war.

Only the psychotic want to day or be maimed.  DU is proof that some people enjoy being lied to.  As far as the resistors, I got a DD 214.  If they present one to me and I can verify it, I might at least believe they were in.

 

All navy and Airforce personnel filling in for Army misions in Iraq and Afghanistan are covered under FORSCOM Joint Sourcing Training Oversight documents. In a nutshell, they are trained by the US Army on how to survive in Iraq or Afghanistan. It just so happens, they alll come through my AO, and my 'guys' train them up. SO, BIG LIE NUMBER 1: Just out of basic and no training my ass.

BIG LIE NO. 2: He could have signed up to be a Chaplain's assistant. You can not be a Chaplain without being a 'priest' already. You don't get your job changed after basic and before AIT. It just doesn't work that way.

BIG LIE NO. 3: You don't sign up to go anywhere. Or, more correctly, you DO sign up to go ANYWHERE.  DUmb-asses.

BIG LIE NO. 4: Beyond retarded.

[Vagabond]

All navy and Airforce personnel filling in for Army misions in Iraq and Afghanistan are covered under FORSCOM Joint Sourcing Training Oversight documents. In a nutshell, they are trained by the US Army on how to survive in Iraq or Afghanistan. It just so happens, they alll come through my AO, and my 'guys' train them up. SO, BIG LIE NUMBER 1: Just out of basic and no training my ass.

BIG LIE NO. 2: He could have signed up to be a Chaplain's assistant. You can not be a Chaplain without being a 'priest' already. You don't get your job changed after basic and before AIT. It just doesn't work that way.

BIG LIE NO. 3: You don't sign up to go anywhere. Or, more correctly, you DO sign up to go ANYWHERE.  DUmb-asses.

BIG LIE NO. 4: Beyond retarded.

The chaplain in my basic training unit had been enlisted in artillery before he became a chaplain.  He stated that the Army did pay for his seminary training, but I am not sure of all the details.  It does remain, if Case Sheehan had wanted to do something other than a mechanic then why does no evidence exist indicating he was pursuing that goal?  Without evidence otherwise, and DUmmies aren't credible, it seems that he was where he chose to be.

[dutch508]

All navy and Airforce personnel filling in for Army misions in Iraq and Afghanistan are covered under FORSCOM Joint Sourcing Training Oversight documents. In a nutshell, they are trained by the US Army on how to survive in Iraq or Afghanistan. It just so happens, they alll come through my AO, and my 'guys' train them up. SO, BIG LIE NUMBER 1: Just out of basic and no training my ass.

BIG LIE NO. 2: He could have signed up to be a Chaplain's assistant. You can not be a Chaplain without being a 'priest' already. You don't get your job changed after basic and before AIT. It just doesn't work that way.

BIG LIE NO. 3: You don't sign up to go anywhere. Or, more correctly, you DO sign up to go ANYWHERE.  DUmb-asses.

BIG LIE NO. 4: Beyond retarded.

The chaplain in my basic training unit had been enlisted in artillery before he became a chaplain.  He stated that the Army did pay for his seminary training, but I am not sure of all the details.  It does remain, if Case Sheehan had wanted to do something other than a mechanic then why does no evidence exist indicating he was pursuing that goal?  Without evidence otherwise, and DUmmies aren't credible, it seems that he was where he chose to be.

The Chaplain we had in the 75th in the early 1980s was a prior Infantryman and jumped in with the Regiment in Panama. He did not enlist to be a Chaplain, that came later. You don't enlist to be a Chaplain, regardless of your future plans. If the Army payed for his school, it was with the GI Bil, or VEAP, or whatever it was called when he went through.

[TheSarge]

*bump* for our 13 lurking DUmp trolls.


Please take extra special note of my comments.


And yes I'm the same one who sicked the 4th ID commander on your retarded assclown hero LynnTheDem.


Toodles! 

[HACKSAW]

( Iguess I should start this sentence with "so")I was telling my son about this thread and how (at least according to the DUmmies) he'd be ordered to rape, pillage, and shoot innocent children in cold blood. He can't do the whole disillusioned "my recruiter lied to me crap" because he got exactly the MOS he was promised and really loves being a Marine. Risking his invitation to Winter Soldier 25 (a.k.a. "yet another attempt to pass off those who never served as noble but troubled warriors"), he opted to stay out of the fray. Anyway, he said (paraphrasing because unlike the DUmmies I don't remember conversations word for word), "Mom, why would we want to shoot children, they don't run fast enough to be a challenge?!"

Cindie

Sorry, I just had to post this. It's the first thing I thought of when I read your post.

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[Airwolf]

*bump* for our 13 lurking DUmp trolls.


Please take extra special note of my comments.


And yes I'm the same one who sicked the 4th ID commander on your retarded assclown hero LynnTheDem.


Toodles! 

The best revenge yet online.

[Rebel]