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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Tucker on January 06, 2012, 11:17:14 AM
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Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:06 PM
Star Member Taverner (47,537 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
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Santorum slept with a ROTTING FETUS
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As if being named after the frothy mixture known as 'santorum' wasn't enough...we have this...
I am not making this up, this is not hyperbole, this is in documented in his c̶a̶m̶p̶a̶i̶g̶n̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶c̶h̶u̶r̶e̶ book he wrote for his "son," the rotting fetus known as "Gabriel."
"Rick and Karen Santorum would not let the morgue take the corpse of their newborn; they slept that night in the hospital with their lifeless baby between them. The next day, they took him home. 'Your siblings could not have been more excited about you!' Karen writes in the book, which takes the form of letters to Gabriel, mostly while he is in utero. 'Elizabeth and Johnny held you with so much love and tenderness. Elizabeth proudly announced to everyone as she cuddled you, "This is my baby brother, Gabriel; he is an angel."'"
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/magazine/22SANTORUM.html?ei=5088&en=83d72ed75fbada1d&ex=1274414400&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
Everyone grieves in a different way, but this is just morbid and sick. And potentially dangerous. Why not sleep with a flank steak and call it "Shelby"?
Jesus ****, this guy is a nutjob.
That's what our opinion is of you.
You're no longer an observation piece. you're a corpse that doesn't know when to lie down.
Response to Taverner (Original post)
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:08 PM
Star Member Avalux (27,288 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. Now now. You'll be accused of being an insensitive jerk.
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Don't you know it's perfectly normal to do such a thing; and it wasn't a fetus, it was a baby that lived for 2 hours after being 'delivered'. There are plenty of experts who say this is exactly what should be done to promote healing by the parents and siblings.
(These are the 'talking points' I heard by the TeeVee heads this morning)
Not insensitive. He's deranged.
And the skimmer checks in.
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Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:09 PM
Star Member Skinner (54,560 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. You know, I just can't judge Santorum for this.
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I can't help wondering if any of the people gleefully spreading this story around know the joy of expecting a child, or the pain of losing that child.
Brand new campfire.
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He is getting what he deserves on the island but words can`t describe what a miserable piece of shit he is. :bird:
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My great grandmother birthed all of her kids at home. 5 out of 10 died, they are buried in what once was her secret angel garden in the backyard of the place she owned.
I have pictures of my aunt's stillborn children taken after birth. All three being held by everyone in the family.
My husband's cousin gave birth and the baby died an hour later. Seemingly healthy child. We all went to see her, say goodbye, take pictures.
I see nothing wrong with what the Santorum's did. NOTHING.
I think drink and drugs are eating away at Tav's brain. It's starting to show too. No excuse. He's ugly inside and out. Now being a far cry from the shirtless poser at the top of the stairs he once was. Ain't that a bitch ?
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/101810871
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Ya know it takes alot to out do Iandb1 in the scumbag dept.......Tavernor just took the belt from him ....Congrats you loser piece of shit! Please do the world a huge favor and just off yourself.....You're less than nothing.
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"digs hole even deeper for the "bar" "
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He's such a sick ****. And his eyes are looking very deep-set with large bags & dark circles. Lifestyle's taking a toll.
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"digs hole even deeper for the "bar" "
You dig any deeper for that bar and you'll be in China.
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He is getting what he deserves on the island but words can`t describe what a miserable piece of shit he is. :bird:
I agree but an aluminum bat to the skull would surely cure whatever his major problem is.
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I wonder who the dissenting voice was. :whatever:
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He's such a sick ****. And his eyes are looking very deep-set with large bags & dark circles. Lifestyle's taking a toll.
He's gross.
Response to trumad (Reply #13)
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:17 PM
Taverner (47,569 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
27. Yep - - take it from me, who's wife lost a baby in a miscarriage
It's ****ed up
"who's" :whatever:
Response to Taverner (Reply #27)
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:24 PM
Skinner (54,567 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
44. I notice that you use the term "baby" when referring to your own child.
Maybe that will make you think about how your OP looks.
Response to Taverner (Original post)
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:15 PM
cthulu2016 (565 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
23. This post is more nauseating than the actions it describes
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The Taverner primitive is so immature and stupid it's become a caricature.
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The OP is hidden by jury, but the entire thread is still there. They even quote the OP, so there's no mystery at all. What's the point of hiding it?
A DUmmie named comipinko has caught my eye, early in 2011.
comipinko (541 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. Can you judge him for his hypocricy on abortion?
This was an abortion.
comipinko (541 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. You should make it clear, A rotting ABORTED fetus.
comipinko (541 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
14. Look harder, narcotics were also administered.
Response to comipinko (Reply #14)
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:13 PM
moriah (2,582 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
18. Oh, so pain relief is abortive?
Nope, try again.
narcotics are one of the safest drugs to administer during pregnancy for pain relief -- ibuprofen and other NSAIDs are contraindicated.
He's an idiot and an a-hole.
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What an insensitive bastard.
I will say I don't know how the right way to handle a still born is, and what Rick did is a little odd to me, but I don't find it so alarming that I would make such a big deal of it. And I damn sure wouldn't be so insensitive about the issue.
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Hmmm, taking the baby home for the siblings to see or throwing a baby in a closet to die following a botched abortion. Remind me again who are the sick bastards are again?
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What an insensitive bastard.
We are talking about Taverner here - unemployed drug addicted absentee father who trolls for chicks on DU. The world would be better off without him in it, period. He will be dead by his own hand within 10 years, however.
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DU, please please please please please MAKE AN ISSUE OF THIS, demand that the DNC run an ad about this, we'll see who the American people view as idiots! :bird:
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I miscarried at 3 months...a perfect little baby boy. I went to the hospital to avoid bleeding to death. I held my baby in my hand, he was just the size of my palm, and cried over him until I started to bleed. I took him to the hospital with me and insisted the staff call him by name. They couldn't tell me why he died, but released the body to the mortician we chose. He provided the type of box they use for ashes after a cremation, and we took our little boy and buried him with my great-grandparents and the stillborn baby they lost. He has a stone with his name on, also.
After our little funeral, my mom told me about the baby she lost...and how she wished they'd been free to mourn the way we did. Instead, she was told to "forget it, and go try again," just as though that child had been nothing, her pregnancy never existed, the pain and grief would just go away.
Santorum's baby was 20 weeks when he died. If my baby was perfect at 12 weeks, obviously their baby was, too.
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I miscarried at 3 months...a perfect little baby boy. I went to the hospital to avoid bleeding to death. I held my baby in my hand, he was just the size of my palm, and cried over him until I started to bleed. I took him to the hospital with me and insisted the staff call him by name. They couldn't tell me why he died, but released the body to the mortician we chose. He provided the type of box they use for ashes after a cremation, and we took our little boy and buried him with my great-grandparents and the stillborn baby they lost. He has a stone with his name on, also.
After our little funeral, my mom told me about the baby she lost...and how she wished they'd been free to mourn the way we did. Instead, she was told to "forget it, and go try again," just as though that child had been nothing, her pregnancy never existed, the pain and grief would just go away.
Santorum's baby was 20 weeks when he died. If my baby was perfect at 12 weeks, obviously their baby was, too.
First off, sorry for your loss.
I know what it's like. We had a miscarriage at 4 months. This was 20 years ago. A little girl. My wife was advised to name the child anyway. My wife bought her the only dress that the child would never wear. We still have it.
In no way do I find anything wrong with what the Santorum's did. People shouldn't judge the actions of others who are facing an emotional trauma. They should try understanding and forgiveness.
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I know you read here, Taverner.
To say you were out of line is an understatement. You really deserve to have the sh!t beat outa you for this.
You are using the pain of others for your own political ends. If Skinner feels he needs to call you out, then you need to go to DU, open a thread and apologize.
This is so typical of where the liberals are going.
A bunch of Navy Seals gave Ventura a good beating for his "progressive mouth." I beginning to think this may be the only thing to drive some common sense into these idiots.
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First off, sorry for your loss.
I know what it's like. We had a miscarriage at 4 months. This was 20 years ago. A little girl. My wife was advised to name the child anyway. My wife bought her the only dress that the child would never wear. We still have it.
In no way do I find anything wrong with what the Santorum's did. People shouldn't judge the actions of others who are facing an emotional trauma. They should try understanding and forgiveness.
To the DUmp, anything any repuke does is wrong. If some DUmp Monkey posted about mourning a stillborn child, Taverner would have been all sympathy. This is the attitude you have to expect from people that have never matured past their toddler years in many ways. Just as they are blind to their own prejudice and hypocrisy, they are completely unaware of the humanity of all humans. Especially the smallest...
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Tavernturd is an attention whore right along with Nads.
Only difference being, that Nads learns, tavernturd does not.
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Hmmm, taking the baby home for the siblings to see or throwing a baby in a closet to die following a botched abortion. Remind me again who are the sick bastards are again?
Word! +1
Liberals are the most despicable people in all of humanity. :hammer:
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The pic (http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8373/cimg0020qd.jpg) does have a...shall we say...uh...an institutional look to it...........
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The pic does have a...shall we say...uh...an institutional look to it...........
Yes it does, marv.
Most of us call that a "punching bag".
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He looks like a guy that used to live in my neighborhood. He was a house painter (interior) and amateur boxer (Navy). To say the guy was missing a few brain cells would be putting it nicely.
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I'm sorry for your loss MrsSmith.
Most decent people would be ashamed to post what Taverner posted, slink away, hope it's forgotten. Maybe delete the post.
Not Mr. Disgusting. He had to go into Wee Willie's thread and vomit more.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002129254
Taverner (47,575 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. Now now now we can't be mean to him - we all have to play nice
Dontchya know his wife lost a BABY once! A BABY!!!!!
What kind of sick, demented, baby killing babyhater are you?????
I WANT MY MOMMY!!! WAHHHH
Taverner (47,575 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
34. I don't feel any sympathy for them
Now, if they didn't trot out their dead kid to write a book for political gains ("Letters to Gabriel") maybe I'd shed a tear.
Taverner (47,575 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
36. Hey! God is a single father, always low on money, and has trouble communicating...
I expect nothing less from a skid row bum. Except most bums have manners.
Hey Tav, next time I read about your job loss, your bad luck, your rotten drunken life, I will smile. :-)
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What an absolute shit stain.
Let's say you have a baby and it lives for say 3 days. What would you do Taverner? Toss it in the incinerator? Throw it in the trash? Why wouldn't you hold him? Look at his fingers and toes? Look at his beautiful face and stroke his hair? Something is seriously wrong with you, you are dead inside.
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"Shit stain" Good one! Best description yet.
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Taverner needs his face "clarified" or "exfoliated"--with a load of 00 Buck at about 3 yards range.
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POS--no other word for someone like Taverner and I'm glad someone mentioned the water retention under the eyes. He's both not getting enough sleep(probably on binges) and probably overloading his organs with the filth he's putting in his body. What a pitiful human being in every way. Taverner, go get some serious help, lashing out at conservatives for your life failings is not going to change your abyssmal situation.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002128821
The Santorum Baby Controversy
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http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/1/6/92811/35480
The Santorum Baby Controversy
by BooMan
Fri Jan 6th, 2012 at 09:28:11 AM EST
In general, people who criticize the Santorum family for bringing their stillborn baby home to meet the kids are going to look worse than the family they are criticizing. The gruesome facts of this case don't matter. If you're envisioning a fully-formed baby, don't. If you've ever had a 20-week ultrasound where the doctor either found or did not find a penis, then you know what got brought home for the kids.
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One more example of the kind of lies the left must use to defend their stance on murder. The baby I lost was at 12 weeks, and he was perfectly formed, genitals and all. He had 10 fingers and 10 toes. He not only was a baby - a child - he looked like a baby. The only thing still out of proportion was his head, it was larger compared to his body than it would have been if he were older. At 20 weeks, a baby is very obviously going to look like a baby. The left just can't bring themselves to tell the truth on so many different matters, but especially on their love of shedding innocent human blood.
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18. That is the crux of the matter to me, anyway.
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It's really not relevant how the Santorums chose to mourn their dead son. What is relevant is that they did (or were willing to) avail themselves of the very option to terminate a life-threatening pregnancy that Rick would to deny to everyone else. The hypocrisy rankles.
And this continued lie...that a life-threatening pregnancy can't be terminated. Regardless of the number of times the point is made that ONLY life-threatening situations should allow abortion, they continue to lie and lie and lie. The fact is that every religious hospital will allow abortion if the only other choice is to loose the mother. If both lives can be saved, that is the correct way to handle a pregnancy. If only onelife can be saved, save that one! The sanctity of human life is an absolute, it applies to the child and to the mother.
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6. I had a son who was stillborn.
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Yes, he was full-term, but I personally don't think it's for us to judge at what stage of development parents can bond when they are expecting.
I've only been able to glance at GD since there have been so many threads about this and the comments and OPs are not only offensive, they're sickening. And some of the people doing it have really surprised me.
Just as I don't want bible thumper types judging me and my choices, I am not judging this. It doesn't appear they politicized this event; they're sharing their story and their opinion. Sure I disagree with their views on right to life, but for anyone to criticize this very personal experience and how they handled it is the height of arrogant ignorance, imho.
I agree with the author of the OP: It's really one of those things that I don't believe anyone should be judging or ridiculing unless you've experienced the loss of a child.
I held my "rotting fetus" as one OP proclaimed -- because his skin had indeed started to decompose after only two days after his heartbeat stopped, before delivery -- and I did NOT want to let him go. I would have held him for a solid day and night if the hospital would have allowed.
If I would have had other children at the time, I would have encouraged (but not forced) them to see Joshua.
Grieving is a very individual process.
There are a ton of DUers being heartless shitheads about this.
I don't say this often or lightly, but unless you've experienced the birth and death of a child, I strongly advise people to shut the **** up.
OneGrassRoot, if you lurk here, let me be the first from our side to express sorrow and sympathy over the loss of your child. Babies are our most precious gifts, there can never be a greater loss than our children.
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I have to admit I was wrong about Taverner, I truly thought he'd change spots for another DUer, but he remains his "classy" self...
Taverner
21. No, crazy is crazy
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Taking home a *baby* that is d̶e̶a̶d̶ ̶ playing with the baby Jesus at Heaven's Gymboree is ****ing NUTS
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Bottom line, lurkers, we don't expect you to agree with us. We don't expect you to suddenly grow humane hearts. We don't expect you to understand the medical facts behind our decisions. But we do get very, very tired of your constant LIES. Grow the :censored: up already. This is not a sandbox fight between toddlers where lies can be understood. This particular fight is over the spilling of human blood, something that can only be denied by those that hide behind lie after lie.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636458/?tool=pubmed
This article, regarding the handling of miscarriages in Catholic hospitals, was linked in one of the responses to this OP.
I had always thought that it was pretty clear-cut--when there was a choice between life of the mom and life of the unborn baby, that a Catholic hospital would proceed with an abortion, but this article (apparently from the National Institutes of Health) seems to contradict that. Some of examples given seem to totally defy common sense!
I am staunchly conservative, staunchly pro-life, but this article causes me to wonder if women are actually being given top-notch, common sense care at religious hospitals. Any thoughts, opinions??
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636458/?tool=pubmed
This article, regarding the handling of miscarriages in Catholic hospitals, was linked in one of the responses to this OP.
I had always thought that it was pretty clear-cut--when there was a choice between life of the mom and life of the unborn baby, that a Catholic hospital would proceed with an abortion, but this article (apparently from the National Institutes of Health) seems to contradict that. Some of examples given seem to totally defy common sense!
I am staunchly conservative, staunchly pro-life, but this article causes me to wonder if women are actually being given top-notch, common sense care at religious hospitals. Any thoughts, opinions??
Abortion is not an option.
If the Mother dies during childbirth and the child lives, she will have died in a state of grace. If the child dies during childbirth and the mother lives, the child is with God. If the Mother aborts to save her own life, she will have committed an offense against God.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636458/?tool=pubmed
This article, regarding the handling of miscarriages in Catholic hospitals, was linked in one of the responses to this OP.
I had always thought that it was pretty clear-cut--when there was a choice between life of the mom and life of the unborn baby, that a Catholic hospital would proceed with an abortion, but this article (apparently from the National Institutes of Health) seems to contradict that. Some of examples given seem to totally defy common sense!
I am staunchly conservative, staunchly pro-life, but this article causes me to wonder if women are actually being given top-notch, common sense care at religious hospitals. Any thoughts, opinions??
It sounds like the hospitals are either confused by Catholic Doctrine or just plain not following it.
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Abortion is not an option.
If the Mother dies during childbirth and the child lives, she will have died in a state of grace. If the child dies during childbirth and the mother lives, the child is with God. If the Mother aborts to save her own life, she will have committed an offense against God.
But, what if there is NO CHANCE of the baby surviving, and the mother is going to die by continuing the pregnancy, which was the case in a couple of the examples cited in the article. To deny a baby a few moments of life in utero to save the life of the woman, seems the prudent thing to do, and not at all consistent with most Christian teachings.
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What an absolute shit stain.
Best description I've seen of him yet. H5
When if comes to complete waste of breath, Taverner is a cluster**** waiting for a place to happen. It's not a question of if, but when.
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Taverner is already a fatal OD, just looking for the right motel room.
When it happens, the world, and even the DUmp, will be a better place.
Sometimes I wonder how it feels to be a creature like Taverner, knowing for a certainty that not one living person will mourn his death.
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I read the article that the pond scum primitive posted. In my educated opinion I saw nothing dysfunctional in their grieving process. I assume that they prepared their other children for what was going to happen and they brought the baby home to give them some closure and to say goodbye. In the hospital we allow the parents plenty of space and as long as they are not going to hurt anyone we let them be with their child.
With few exceptions there is no right or wrong way to grieve. The child was just past the legal age of viability at 20 weeks and did live. Albeit a short time.
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But, what if there is NO CHANCE of the baby surviving, and the mother is going to die by continuing the pregnancy, which was the case in a couple of the examples cited in the article. To deny a baby a few moments of life in utero to save the life of the woman, seems the prudent thing to do, and not at all consistent with most Christian teachings.
Abortion is not an option.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636458/?tool=pubmed
This article, regarding the handling of miscarriages in Catholic hospitals, was linked in one of the responses to this OP.
I had always thought that it was pretty clear-cut--when there was a choice between life of the mom and life of the unborn baby, that a Catholic hospital would proceed with an abortion, but this article (apparently from the National Institutes of Health) seems to contradict that. Some of examples given seem to totally defy common sense!
I am staunchly conservative, staunchly pro-life, but this article causes me to wonder if women are actually being given top-notch, common sense care at religious hospitals. Any thoughts, opinions??
However, regarding emergency care during miscarriage management, the manual used by Catholic-owned hospital ethics committees to interpret the directives states that abortion is acceptable if the purpose is to treat “a life-threatening pathology†in the pregnant woman when the treatment cannot be postponed until the fetus is viable.9 The experiences of physicians in our study indicate that uterine evacuation may not be approved during miscarriage by the hospital ethics committee if fetal heart tones are present and the pregnant woman is not yet ill, in effect delaying care until fetal heart tones cease, the pregnant woman becomes ill, or the patient is transported to a non–Catholic-owned facility for the procedure.
Sounds pretty common sense.
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Sounds pretty common sense.
I absolutely agree, and am completely comfortable with that policy; however the examples cited certainly sound like those policies do not always guide the ethics committees at individual hospitals. That does bother me.
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What the Santorum's did was the equivalent of a wake. It allowed the immediate family to have closure and say goodbye.
And I would say there is nothing out of the ordinary by attending a wake.
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I absolutely agree, and am completely comfortable with that policy; however the examples cited certainly sound like those policies do not always guide the ethics committees at individual hospitals. That does bother me.
It sounded like the doctors don't always agree with the ethics committees. Of course, today most doctors are trained to see one life on the table...not 2. "Standard procedure" in many cases is to consider only the one life. Those that recognize the sanctity of human life must also consider the possibility that both may survive. Regardless of today's human laws, the mother's opinion of the child she carries does not make that child more or less human...
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Taverner
21. No, crazy is crazy
Taking home a *baby* that is dead playing with the baby Jesus at Heaven's Gymboree is ****ing NUTS
This was seriously beyond the pale. If it were my website, I'd ban him just for this. He makes democrats look real bad. ::)
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This was seriously beyond the pale. If it were my website, I'd ban him just for this. He makes democrats look real bad. ::)
Hence, he's a DUmb****.
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This was seriously beyond the pale. If it were my website, I'd ban him just for this. He makes democrats look real bad. ::)
Just getting an early jump on the 2012 DOTY/Willie.
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Just getting an early jump on the 2012 DOTY/Willie.
You beat me to it! :clap:
Skinner could make a FORTUNE simply by hosting a monthly How Low Can You Go? postathon. :bird:Taverner.
BTW, he looks like HE could star in one of those prison shows PMSNBC airs constantly.
I'm truly saddened by the loss of any life, particularly a baby's, and am so sorry that some of my fellow Cavers have endured that loss. I never have, but my mother's fourth child (and fourth daughter) was stillborn. I'm just glad they're buried together and are in Heaven together-hopefully lobbing cosmic spitballs at Taverner.
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cosmic spitballs
Hence, his terrible, terrible luck in life. Although, I guess it's not luck if it's self-inflicted.
"Self-inflicted" and "Taverner" sound like a good combination.