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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2009, 06:29:00 PM »
Gates is quoted today on the DoD website saying he will NOT support a ban on smoking in any combat zone.
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2009, 06:40:36 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on July 15, 2009, 09:32:15 AM
I'm not a smoker, but that's as ****ed up as a soup sandwich.

I'm not one either and I agree
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2009, 07:08:20 PM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on July 15, 2009, 06:29:00 PM
Gates is quoted today on the DoD website saying he will NOT support a ban on smoking in any combat zone.
Has anyone pointed out to these folks idiots that tobacco smoke is nothing compared to other forms of smoke in a combat zone?  Maybe they could get the enemy to quit and make nice first.   :thatsright:
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2009, 07:58:13 PM »
Quote from: lug-nut on July 15, 2009, 07:08:20 PM
Has anyone pointed out to these folks idiots that tobacco smoke is nothing compared to other forms of smoke in a combat zone?  Maybe they could get the enemy to quit and make nice first.   :thatsright:

The Smoking Nazi's could care less about the nasty carcinogens in the air in Iraq and Afghanistan that we breathe in all the time.

They're sole focus is making sure that no one can have access to a pack of smokes.
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2009, 08:20:24 PM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on July 15, 2009, 07:58:13 PM
The Smoking Nazi's could care less about the nasty carcinogens in the air in Iraq and Afghanistan that we breathe in all the time.

They're sole focus is making sure that no one can have access to a pack of smokes.

Personally, I would be more concerned with lead in the air and possible IEDs lying around than cigarette smoke.
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2009, 08:36:23 PM »
Quote from: dutch508 on July 15, 2009, 05:45:27 PM
The Pentagon replied; "**** You."

Major, it was a guy IN the Pentagon, I think appointed by Obama, that suggested it. The reason behind the "hell no" wasn't due to it being unconstitutional, the reason is Gates said troops didn't need the extra stress. I agree.
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2009, 08:37:42 PM »
Quote from: PatriotGame on July 15, 2009, 05:42:04 PM
What?? You can make a sammich outta soup?
NO WAY!!!111
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Never been in the military? The correct vernacular is, "You sumbitch, you're ate up like a soup sandwich!".

BTW, anyone ever seen the 8th ID patch?  :lmao:
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2009, 09:03:44 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on July 15, 2009, 08:37:42 PM
Never been in the military? The correct vernacular is, "You sumbitch, you're ate up like a soup sandwich!".

BTW, anyone ever seen the 8th ID patch?  :lmao:

Ate UP, BABY!!!!!  :rotf:
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2009, 09:15:24 PM »
Quote from: dutch508 on July 15, 2009, 09:03:44 PM
Ate UP, BABY!!!!!  :rotf:

We have people googling, Dutch. The only ones that won't have to are probably Euph (most certainly), and a few others.  :lmao:
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2009, 09:21:11 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on July 15, 2009, 09:15:24 PM
We have people googling, Dutch. The only ones that won't have to are probably Euph (most certainly), and a few others.  :lmao:

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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2009, 09:29:12 PM »
I was actually referring to:



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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2009, 09:45:51 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on July 15, 2009, 09:29:12 PM
I was actually referring to:





yes, I know what patch you were refering to. That was trhe unit crest of the 8th Infantry REG I showed. My old unit when I was in Germany.

'The 8 is for how many hours it took to fly here, the small 0 at the top is your asshole when you got here, the bottom 0 is your asshole when you leave!"

eight (ATE) UP
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2009, 10:43:56 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on July 15, 2009, 09:15:24 PM
We have people googling, Dutch. The only ones that won't have to are probably Euph (most certainly), and a few others.  :lmao:

I could sell you a stack of them off my old pre-BDU fatigues.  Mannheim, Sullivan Barracks, 5-68 Armor, 76-79.  "Ate up" was not such a popular expression then, we mostly referred to it as "Crazy Eight - with the Golden Shaft right up the middle!"
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2009, 06:13:31 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on July 15, 2009, 09:15:24 PM
We have people googling, Dutch. The only ones that won't have to are probably Euph (most certainly), and a few others.  :lmao:

Count me in those "few others" LOL!
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2009, 06:51:08 AM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on July 15, 2009, 10:43:56 PM
I could sell you a stack of them off my old pre-BDU fatigues.  Mannheim, Sullivan Barracks, 5-68 Armor, 76-79.  "Ate up" was not such a popular expression then, we mostly referred to it as "Crazy Eight - with the Golden Shaft right up the middle!"

Sullivan Barracks was across from teh PX right? at the..um...Kafertal Wald strasse exit?
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2009, 08:23:35 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on July 15, 2009, 09:29:12 PM
I was actually referring to:





Yep, that's my boy. Actually, I served in the 8th ID "Pathfinders" (not 8 Up, you freakin' dweebs  :rotf: :lmao: ) only from Sept. 91 till Jan. 92, when the division was reflagged to 1AD.

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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2009, 08:34:15 AM »
Quote from: dutch508 on July 16, 2009, 06:51:08 AM
Sullivan Barracks was across from teh PX right? at the..um...Kafertal Wald strasse exit?

Yup, that's it.  I assume you were at Coleman, which when I was there was 2-13 IN, 3-8 CAV, and the BDE HQ (Along with a bunch of non-divisional units like 97 SIG and the Stockade).
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2009, 12:31:31 PM »
What about when smoking is used as a tool during a meet and greet? Offering a cigarette to a potential information source is a way to break the ice. Granted, it's a small issue but one of those unintended consequences kind of things.

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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2009, 02:18:31 AM »
Or when a local national offers a Soldier a cigarette?  We are told to never refuse one, and to smoke it with them.  Will that Soldier be in trouble for violating regs?
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2009, 11:12:06 AM »
WTF is it with the Democrat Party and their incessant NEED to use the military as some kind of social experiment?

They push the envelope with women in combat zones and ban adult magazines.


They give us the worst pay raises and force junior enlisted to sign up for welfare.

Clinton took away the big discount on smokes that we used to enjoy in the military and now Obama wants to take them away from us for good.

I just don't get it.
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2009, 01:59:56 PM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on July 18, 2009, 11:12:06 AM
WTF is it with the Democrat Party and their incessant NEED to use the military as some kind of social experiment?

They push the envelope with women in combat zones and ban adult magazines.


They give us the worst pay raises and force junior enlisted to sign up for welfare.

Clinton took away the big discount on smokes that we used to enjoy in the military and now Obama wants to take them away from us for good.

I just don't get it.

Plus that stupid b!tch Sen. Boxer or one of those nuts out in CA said a couple of years ago that military personnel do not need a raise.
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2009, 02:09:40 PM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on July 18, 2009, 11:12:06 AM
WTF is it with the Democrat Party and their incessant NEED to use the military as some kind of social experiment?

They push the envelope with women in combat zones and ban adult magazines.


They give us the worst pay raises and force junior enlisted to sign up for welfare.

Clinton took away the big discount on smokes that we used to enjoy in the military and now Obama wants to take them away from us for good.

I just don't get it.

Political correctness - pure and simple.

The Head Shed is so afraid of offending people that in order to defend their socialist, liberal agenda, they throw the military into various schemes to create data to support their position.

I have to say, however, that integrating the military (as one of Truman's social experiments) was the right thing to do. Some well-respected leaders of the day (Omar Bradley, for one) resisted that, which thereby dragged the process out till long after Truman left office. (All services tended to drag their collective feet on this one. For further information, do a Google on the Gillem Board.)

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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2009, 02:43:03 PM »
Quote from: Eupher on July 18, 2009, 02:09:40 PM
Political correctness - pure and simple.

And the hell of it is...there is nothing politically correct about what goes on out on the battlefield.

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The Head Shed is so afraid of offending people that in order to defend their socialist, liberal agenda, they throw the military into various schemes to create data to support their position.

IMHO then we need to change how Generals are selected.  I've never liked the fact they have to have some kind of Rabbi in the house and/or Senate that they have to kiss ass to for their next star.

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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2009, 11:22:07 AM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on July 18, 2009, 02:43:03 PM
And the hell of it is...there is nothing politically correct about what goes on out on the battlefield.

IMHO then we need to change how Generals are selected.  I've never liked the fact they have to have some kind of Rabbi in the house and/or Senate that they have to kiss ass to for their next star.



Generals and leaders like Patton are dinosaurs. Patton, IMO, was the consummate warrior leader. Nowadays. they don't seem to have much in the line of BALLS. 
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2009, 05:20:36 PM »
I think it's a secret government program to create a breed of crazed killing machines because nothing is crankier than a smoker suddenly forced to go cold turkey.
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