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Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« on: October 23, 2013, 08:21:13 PM »
In the wake of the disastrous rollout of HealthCare.gov, the website where consumers can purchase health insurance, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) has begun drafting a bill that would delay the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate by a year, his office confirmed.

It's unclear what the Manchin-sponsored legislation would contain, but the version being floated would delay the penalty for not purchasing insurance. Customers could still purchase insurance if they wish.

Manchin's legislation would be separate from that of Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who is planning to introduce a bill that would delay the mandate's penalties until six months after the Government Accountability Office (GAO) certifies that the online exchanges are functional.

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Apparently he's found five other jackasses that are up for re-election and desperate to take a ride on his bandwagon.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2013, 08:24:54 PM »
Didn't the House do that last week already and Obama and Reid wouldn't disguss it or bring it up for a vote?
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2013, 08:26:33 PM »
It's only racist when our side does it.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2013, 08:48:14 PM »
Queen Jeanne the Spending Machine Shaheen being one of those on the chopping block.

She's got to know that between this and her stand on gun control, her internal polling is making her about as popular as a turd in the punchbowl at the church social.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2013, 08:50:27 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on October 23, 2013, 08:48:14 PM
Queen Jeanne the Spending Machine Shaheen being one of those on the chopping block.

She's got to know that between this and her stand on gun control, her internal polling is making her about as popular as a turd in the punchbowl at the church social.
Is it a polished turd ? Can one pick it up by the clean end ?
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2013, 08:51:47 PM »
Screw the Dimrats.  They blocked Cruz from doing this, now let them own it. Word is that Obama is already saving their bacon by reinterpreting his own law to delay the penalties and extend the sign up window.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2013, 08:54:20 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on October 23, 2013, 08:51:47 PM
Screw the Dimrats.  They blocked Cruz from doing this, now let them own it. Word is that Obama is already saving their bacon by reinterpreting his own law to delay the penalties and extend the sign up window.

There is an election in just over a year, so I fully expect some kind of fix to happen.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2013, 08:57:11 PM »
The press is hyperventilating over this but they apparently haven't noticed the massive number of folks that have been dumped by their employers and/or insurance companys.  
Those people aren't worried about a $95 fine, they need insurance for their families.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2013, 09:02:14 PM »
In a normal world, or at least one where the President isn't a democrat, this would be seen as an epic fail.  With this oministration and his lapdogs in the press, I wouldn't be surprised if the press heaps massive amounts of praise on obama for doing the compassionate thing by delaying the mandate.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2013, 09:07:17 PM »
Quote from: DLR Pyro on October 23, 2013, 09:02:14 PM
In a normal world, or at least one where the President isn't a democrat, this would be seen as an epic fail.  With this oministration and his lapdogs in the press, I wouldn't be surprised if the press heaps massive amounts of praise on obama for doing the compassionate thing by delaying the mandate.
Toy tops, gyrocopters, gyroscopes....all work off very fast rotational motion.....so does the democrat party and MSM.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2013, 09:10:57 PM »
Desperation sets in.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2013, 09:27:33 PM »
Wouldn't it be wonderful if the vote ended up like the original obamacare vote?  Make the dems be the only ones that vote to delay their petty little god's "signature legislation".
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2013, 09:33:38 PM »
Quote from: Bad Dog on October 23, 2013, 08:57:11 PM
The press is hyperventilating over this but they apparently haven't noticed the massive number of folks that have been dumped by their employers and/or insurance companys.  
Those people aren't worried about a $95 fine, they need insurance for their families.

It's $95 or 1% of your income, which ever is more.  But that's only the first year.  It goes up each year after that.

For individuals (whichever is greater)

2014    $95 or 1% of income above tax filing threshold ($9,500 in 2011)
 2015    $325 or 2% of income above tax filing threshold
 2016    $695 or 2.5% of income above tax filing threshold
 Note: Penalty for dependents under age 18 is one half of the individual amount.

For families (whichever is greater)

2014    $285 or 1% of income above tax filing threshold
 2015    $975 or 2% of income above tax filing threshold
 2016    $2085 or 2.5% of income above tax filing threshold

 For sample penalty calculations, click here »
http://www.nfib.com/research-foundation/cribsheets/individual-mandate




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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2013, 09:41:24 PM »
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Contractor behind HealthCare.gov to testify extra testing could not have saved site

A top executive with CGI Federal, one of the contractors paid millions to create the ObamaCare website, says “no amount of testing” could have prevented the site’s problem-plagued start.

Senior Vice President Cheryl Campbell’s remarks are part of prepared testimony she will give before a Republican-led House hearing Thursday on the insurance-marketplace site. They also appear to challenge new claims by the administration that a lack of adequate testing was part of the problem.

The House Energy and Commerce Committee hearing is the first since the site’s disastrous Oct. 1  launch -- marked by crashes, slow response times and its inability to let customers make purchases.
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Oh, hey look at... this.

Ridiculous.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2013, 09:59:30 PM »
Less than 50 years ago this Nation rose to the challenge and landed a man on the moon and returned him to earth.  A technological feat never accomplished by anyone before.

Fast forward to today and this oministration can't get a website that is to serve a large number of people to function even though the technology has existed for several years and is being used successfully every day by Amazon, Facebook, and eBay just to name a few. 

History will show obama for the miserable failure and horrible leader that he is.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2013, 10:11:47 PM »
Quote from: DLR Pyro on October 23, 2013, 09:59:30 PM
Less than 50 years ago this Nation rose to the challenge and landed a man on the moon and returned him to earth.  A technological feat never accomplished by anyone before.

I'll bet the total computing power available and used by NASA was less than most of us have in our home computers.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2013, 10:17:25 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on October 23, 2013, 10:11:47 PM
I'll bet the total computing power available and used by NASA was less than most of us have in our home computers.
Do you remember during the Bush administration, NASA put out an APB for obsolete hardware to keep the Space Shuttles in spare parts?  8080 Intel chips, floppy drives, ribbon cables.  It was pretty weird.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2013, 10:21:12 PM »
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Ted Cruz Won

What about support to delay Obamacare’s implementation?  That’s a ploy to save Obamacare.

Pay attention who is calling for a delay.  Partisans like Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV), John Stewart, Wolf Blitzer and Robert Gibbs know a delay today means preservation tomorrow.  That’s why they support it.   It is the modern Rope-a-Dope. Muhammad Ali famously employed his Rope-a-Dope to delay the fight, wear down, and eventually knock out his spent opponents.  Focusing on Obamacare’s delay, and not its destruction, is an effort to preserve Obamacare.

The failures of Obamacare couldn’t be worse.  Obamacare has become a punch line, a joke, a catastrophic catastrophe, squared.  So have at it.  Prove that a shutdown-less environment could lead to killing off the program.  Go win the narrative you said you could win.

But we may learn that the Cruz-led fight focused the nation on the failures of Obamacare in a way that no pundit or consultant can match.  If the Cruz-less narrative fails to win the field and end Obamacare, then Cruz wins yet again.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2013, 10:52:10 PM »
Quote from: Chris_ on October 23, 2013, 10:21:12 PM
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You're damn right he won.  His position was never about trying to unite republicans against obamacare, never about rallying a fight against Dirty Harry's democrat Senate, he knew it was fruitless to get the likes of McCain and King to do anything but lick obama's butt.

He knows his target, and it wasn't the democrats.

Despite what others may think, his strategy was as brilliant as it was effective.  Ted Cruz won this one because he did something no other republican has done in decades - he played the long game.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2013, 11:05:40 PM »
Suddenly Obama's fall-on-the-sword nonnegotiable scorched-earth-back-to-the-Fatherland ultimate principle is being pitched over the side by his own minions.  Delicious!

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2013, 11:20:40 PM »
Quote from: Dori on October 23, 2013, 08:24:54 PM
Didn't the House do that last week already and Obama and Reid wouldn't disguss it or bring it up for a vote?

They offered to do so, but the head pederast said no.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2013, 11:22:39 PM »
Quote from: wasp69 on October 23, 2013, 10:52:10 PM
You're damn right he won.  His position was never about trying to unite republicans against obamacare, never about rallying a fight against Dirty Harry's democrat Senate, he knew it was fruitless to get the likes of McCain and King to do anything but lick obama's butt.

He knows his target, and it wasn't the democrats.

Despite what others may think, his strategy was as brilliant as it was effective.  Ted Cruz won this one because he did something no other republican has done in decades - he played the long game.

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You ******* right, he did.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2013, 09:29:57 AM »
Quote from: thundley4 on October 23, 2013, 08:51:47 PM
Screw the Dimrats.  They blocked Cruz from doing this, now let them own it. Word is that Obama is already saving their bacon by reinterpreting his own law to delay the penalties and extend the sign up window.

Yes he is.

http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-101-enroll-march-31-avoid-penalty-white-130608492.html

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2013, 09:40:33 AM »
Quote from: thundley4 on October 23, 2013, 08:51:47 PM
Screw the Dimrats.  They blocked Cruz from doing this, now let them own it. Word is that Obama is already saving their bacon by reinterpreting his own law to delay the penalties and extend the sign up window.

It's a trap. Delaying can't be an option. I wish there were R's with balls to keep pushing.
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Re: Joe Manchin (D-VA) Is Preparing To Mount A Push To Delay Individual Mandate
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2013, 02:47:29 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on October 23, 2013, 10:11:47 PM
I'll bet the total computing power available and used by NASA was less than most of us have in our home computers. cell phones.

FIFY.  And it was, by several orders of magnitude.
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