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It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« on: April 29, 2010, 02:43:32 PM »
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Navy to allow women to serve on submarines

KINGS BAY NAVAL SUBMARINE BASE, Ga. — The first U.S. women to serve on submarines will report for undersea duty in less than two years, a top admiral said Thursday, as the Navy ended one of the military's few remaining gender barriers.

Rear Adm. Barry Bruner said the Navy hopes its first group of 24 female submarine officers will begin training by summer. They should be ready to join the sub fleet late next year or by early 2012

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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2010, 02:45:33 PM »
Yeah I can't see anything that would ever possibly happen to make this a bad idea. :whatever:
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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2010, 02:51:37 PM »
Well, if shortcomings in size and upper body strength ever do become a real and immediate issue in a damage control incident on a sub, we'll probably never know about it.  Major damage control failures on subs in blue water generally don't end in a way that tells much of a tale.
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2010, 03:40:53 PM »
Well, if shortcomings in size and upper body strength ever do become a real and immediate issue in a damage control incident on a sub, we'll probably never know about it.  Major damage control failures on subs in blue water generally don't end in a way that tells much of a tale.
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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2010, 03:43:40 PM »
The USS Tampon will have women restrooms and a nursery, maternity ward and changing tables strapped on. It can ABSORB a lot of enemies blows.
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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2010, 04:08:09 PM »
Well, if shortcomings in size and upper body strength ever do become a real and immediate issue in a damage control incident on a sub, we'll probably never know about it.  Major damage control failures on subs in blue water generally don't end in a way that tells much of a tale.

OMG-------They would have to be Officers, few Normal males can qualify for Subs, I cannot see how any Enlisted woman could handle the job.

  I do not see how a woman could earn her Dolphins much less drink them. :evillaugh:

Woman have the brains and the guts to serve but this is an extraordinary part of the Military.  

It is nothing like going into space, there are freaking Windows to look out, and constant contact with Earth via radio.    

What kind of woman could head out to stay underwater for 3-9 months, the male crew are not going to treat her as a woman--the language and pranks pulled on her and each other will disgust her.  

I do hope there is a video made of the first Skipper to have a woman aboard his boat.  May be he will have a nervous breakdown 3 weeks out. :mental:


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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2010, 04:21:12 PM »
Wait until one gets preggers while on a 6 month cruise under the ice pack.
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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2010, 06:22:44 PM »
Personally, I can't wait for the first time one heads to the Engine Room to get the "blowing the EDEA" signed off on her qual card.
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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2010, 07:24:12 PM »
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Hi,

My son served as an officer on a submarine.  They "hot bunk" on the nuclear subs, 12 hours on and 12 off.  Basically you wake up your replacement and when he gets up you slide in the bunk, sometimes 4-6 bunks in a stack.  Women have done well in several of the roles that were normally male roles......until they were captured by the enemy and received their special treatment.  At the same time, to me a submarine presents a whole lot of problems.

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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2010, 07:38:19 PM »
Hi,

My son served as an officer on a submarine.  They "hot bunk" on the nuclear subs, 12 hours on and 12 off.  Basically you wake up your replacement and when he gets up you slide in the bunk, sometimes 4-6 bunks in a stack.  Women have done well in several of the roles that were normally male roles......until they were captured by the enemy and received their special treatment.  At the same time, to me a submarine presents a whole lot of problems.

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I'm guessing that the two year time period is to allow a couple of subs to be retrofitted to allow some privacy for women.  On the sub I was on, there were a couple of birthing areas which held less than a half dozen or so racks. 

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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2010, 11:22:47 PM »
All I can say that this is as ****ed up as a soup sandwich........
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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2010, 12:03:22 AM »
All I can say that this is as ****ed up as a soup sandwich........

I was thinking more like more ****ed up than a football bat
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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2010, 01:30:29 AM »
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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2010, 06:28:45 AM »
Hi,

My son served as an officer on a submarine.  They "hot bunk" on the nuclear subs, 12 hours on and 12 off.  Basically you wake up your replacement and when he gets up you slide in the bunk, sometimes 4-6 bunks in a stack.  Women have done well in several of the roles that were normally male roles......until they were captured by the enemy and received their special treatment.  At the same time, to me a submarine presents a whole lot of problems.

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A few corrections for you (I served on two boats)

-Officers don't hot rack.  Nor do the CPOs or a significant portion of the blueshirts.  Depends on how many "riders" we have, whether we're doing local ops or deployment, and how many skids are put in the Torpedo Room (or MCLL on boomers.)
-Bunks are 3 high, not 4 to 6.
-Watches are 6 on, 12 off, not 12/12.

All that being said, women on boats is gonna be teh suck.
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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2010, 06:29:45 AM »
I'm guessing that the two year time period is to allow a couple of subs to be retrofitted to allow some privacy for women.  On the sub I was on, there were a couple of birthing areas which held less than a half dozen or so racks. 

Nope...no retrofitting.
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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2010, 07:24:55 AM »
Nope...no retrofitting.

Actually, the women get to have a little privacy with the Sub Strap-On!


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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2010, 07:35:28 AM »
Hmmmm...interesting.  DSV on a boat coming out of Pearl.  Not sure which boat that is, though.
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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2010, 07:46:35 AM »
Actually, the women get to have a little privacy with the Sub Strap-On!



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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2010, 08:03:07 AM »
Hmmmm...interesting.  DSV on a boat coming out of Pearl.  Not sure which boat that is, though.

Los Angeles Class.... Greenville

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/12/navy_dn_asdsfire_120908w/

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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2010, 08:06:20 AM »
Actually, the women get to have a little privacy with the Sub Strap-On!



 OK, FGL, so when can I expect my new keyboard to arrive?  I was drinking a coffee.... :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

Good one.  The USS Tampon gets honorable mention.   :lmao:
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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2010, 08:11:35 AM »
Los Angeles Class.... Greenville

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/12/navy_dn_asdsfire_120908w/

Greenville, eh?  And the batteries got salted and caught on fire?  Wow.  Talk about another "bad luck boat." 

ETA: For those unaware, the Greenville was also the boat that did an emergency blow under a Japanese fishing boat and sunk it.
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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2010, 08:13:47 AM »
$100 million to repair the DSV is a "very low" estimate??

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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2010, 08:15:21 AM »
$100 million to repair the DSV is a "very low" estimate??

yikes

QC ain't cheap.  And I misspoke--it's not a DSV, it's an ASDS--Seal Delivery System.  Basically a mini-sub, complete with lockout and pressure chamber.
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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2010, 08:25:49 AM »
A few corrections for you (I served on two boats)

-Officers don't hot rack.  Nor do the CPOs or a significant portion of the blueshirts.  Depends on how many "riders" we have, whether we're doing local ops or deployment, and how many skids are put in the Torpedo Room (or MCLL on boomers.)
-Bunks are 3 high, not 4 to 6.
-Watches are 6 on, 12 off, not 12/12.

All that being said, women on boats is gonna be teh suck.

Hi,

We got a tour of his sub in Hawaii and he explained hot bunking.  I assumed that he did so, thank you for the correction.  I might suspect that the first woman on a sub will be an officer also.

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Re: It's Official: 1st Women to Serve on Subs in 2 Years
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2010, 08:31:22 AM »
They will, and they'll typically be on Tridents, not fast boats.  However, the habitability issues are but one problem.  Career development will be another, particularly within the officer community.
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