DUmmies Discuss The Kennedy Family Luck

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Taverner  (1000+ posts)        Sat Aug-29-09 07:36 PM
Original message
MIJN GOD! The Kennedy Family has gone through hell and back again!
 I mean - besides JFK and RFK's deaths... You've got...

* four aircraft crashes (Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr., Kathleen Kennedy, Edward M. "Ted" Kennedy, and John F. Kennedy, Jr.)
* a fatal skiing accident (Michael LeMoyne Kennedy)
* a fatal drug overdose (David Anthony Kennedy)
* a failed prefrontal lobotomy on Rose Marie Kennedy, carried out in the hope of calming the young woman's violent outbursts but resulting in severe mental retardation.

Add to that EMK's kid's leg cancer. and another Kennedy's being Bi-Polar (not sure the name - I apologize)

They may have had cash - but there are some serious tragedies there...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6421553
Well, for one who places trust in the word of God, and does not believe in pagan bullshit like "karma",
the alternative possibility is that we are seeing the wrath of a just God being brought to bear on a family
of contemptible people.

Besides, were it not for all those tragedies, we'd be more overrun with Kennedys than we already are.

sandnsea  (1000+ posts)      Sat Aug-29-09 07:41 PM
1. Kara's cancer
And I really don't know what all routine illnesses of Bobby's kids.

And then there's Michael Skakel and the other seedier problems.

I don't know how they keep getting up and carrying on, I really don't.

 

Taverner  (1000+ posts)        Sat Aug-29-09 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. True
I've had it pretty good actually, as has my family

On my dad's side there have been some tragedies - but nothing near theirs

On my mom's side it's been OK.

 
Thank goodness, DUmmy Taverner's maternal ancestors have had it easy.
Oh..wait.., no one cares, DUmmy Taverner.

virgogal (694 posts)      Sat Aug-29-09 07:52 PM
Response to Original message
5. Several of the tragedies were due to Kennedy reckless behavior
and WWII. Large families over several generations usually seem to be hit hard
hit hard because of the numbers.

The Kennedy's had some nasty problems but so does everyone else.

Uh oh!!  DUmmy virgogal has implied that Kennedys are mortal humans!
That is an unforgiveable sin at the DUmp.

AuntPatsy  (1000+ posts)      Sat Aug-29-09 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. No one here has ever said that another's tragedy outweighs all others...
but the truth for today is that a good man, a caring man, a compassionate american who
cared about us instead of simply his close friends was lost to us...people are mourning if
you don't like the way that they are doing such in how they are expressing themselves that
today is surely not your day to be a du perhaps in a couple of days you will find it more to
your liking...

quiller4 (1000+ posts)      Sat Aug-29-09 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. Reckless behavior?! Is that how you classify volunteering for
a dangerous mission during wartime. To me that is courage and heroism. Politic
assassinations--maybe you consider seeking political office reckless behavior.
I'm glad the Kennedy brothers held a different view. Maybe if a Kennedy who was a heavy
smoker developed lung cancer that I would consider risky behavior as a cause but bone
cancer in a robust young boy?
The Kennedy family suffered more than its share of tragedy. It is a pity you can't see it.

Nope, sorry DUmmy quillernumber, but the Kennedy family has suffered exactly its share
of tragedy, not one ounce more or less.

[Lord Undies]

but the truth for today is that a good man, a caring man, a compassionate american who
cared about us instead of simply his close friends was lost to us...

Did someone else die in addition to Dead Red Ted?  I'm confused.

[franksolich]

Did someone else die in addition to Dead Red Ted?  I'm confused.

Yeah, Dominick Donne died the same day.

[Chris]

Leg cancer?

[Lord Undies]

Yeah, Dominick Donne died the same day.

That puts what the Little Goon said in better context. 

[franksolich]

I'm trying to remember something here.

When the late one decided to divorce his wife Joan, didn't he pick her up in New York City, and the two of them drove out to an airport on Long Island?

The much-abused wife was given the impression they were flying to a secluded private location so as to get the marriage working again, on track again.

The late one escorted her up to the door of the airplane, and once she was inside, he turned around and walked away, not saying a word.

Man, talk about sheer cowardice.

[crockspot]

Technically, Joe Jr. did not die in a crash. It was a mid-air explosion. I don't think they ever figured out exactly what happened, but while on a bombing mission, the plane just vaporized.

I'm sure all this bad Kennedy luck is just karma for Joe Sr.'s support of Hitler.

[NHSparky]

I've been of the opinion that aside from JFK and RFK, most of the Kennedy family "luck" has been of the self-inflicted variety.

[diesel driver]

I've been of the opinion that aside from JFK and RFK, most of the Kennedy family "luck" has been of the self-inflicted variety.

Mostly, self-inflicted stupidity....

[Ralph Wiggum]

I'm starting to lose my restraint here...

Yeah, the Kennedy's have been through hell & back.  Lots of tragedies.

I hope Mary Jo Kopechne's family gets some sympathy.

And how many of those "tragedies" have been alcohol related and/or caused?  Hmmm, let's see....

There is no royalty in the United States, despite whatever idiots try to proclaim it to be.  Wasn't that what we escaped from by forming our country?

[BlueStateSaint]

There is no royalty in the United States, despite whatever idiots try to proclaim it to be.  Wasn't that what we escaped from by forming our country?

Ralphie, if you have a (D) after your name, the rules don't apply. 

You've said as much in the classes you teach at the VRWC Academy! C'mon, man!

[sofa king]

talk about some bad luck (and this is sympathy, not ridicule) but what about poor little ted kennedy iii.

my god, there is no doubt he is teddy's grandson.  born with that giant pumpkin head...  having to go through life looking like that?

(and if the little scamp hadn't announced his bid for the 2044 senate campaign today i would not even post this)

[jtyangel]

The reckless behavior thing is right on. I know the dummies don't want to accept any of the involvements of the Kennedy's over they years in unsavory events, but many of those unsavory events either marred their reputations or potentially contributed to their 'tragedies'(with the exception of illnesses or accidents like John Jr's). An example is Mary Jo, the bloated Kennedy would just be a dying liberal if not for his excesses with drinking, carousing, and killing a girl because of his cowardice. Had he not been involved in all this, he may have been a man of good character who was just a stupid liberal. The same for his brothers: womanizers, potential connections to the mob(which was what probably ultimately got them killed), etc. Let's face it, these men and how their family members react to tragedies around them they help create helped to mar their 'good name'. They spent a lifetime dodging responsibility for core family value failures with money--again, something the dummies supposedly hate. Have they also forgotten the likes of Robert Kennedy Smith?

It would seem after so many  years, the culmination of the Kennedy behavior has come to roost. The menfolk in their family now don't seem inclined to politics and most of the women never were to begin with so hopefully this can just become another wealthy family living in the shadows. I don't worry about Caroline--she's blah.

[Carl]

No one here has ever said that another's tragedy outweighs all others...
but the truth for today is that a good man, a caring man, a compassionate american who
cared about us instead of simply his close friends was lost to us

Just because he mouthed the words and pushed politics that would keep non thinkers dependent on a powerful government which included him?

Show me where in his personal everyday life he once displayed a care for anyone above his personal goals and desires.
If any they are few and far between but that is liberalism in a nutshell...convince yourself you care about everyone while running over anyone that stands between you and the front of the line.

Demented and deluded idiots.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

I've been of the opinion that aside from JFK and RFK, most of the Kennedy family "luck" has been of the self-inflicted variety.

Well I would add JFK and RFK to the self inflicted variety as well. Not usually a good idea to get chummy with the mafia have them pretty much influence an election and then turn around and go after them with a vengence after you win the election! They usually don't take to well to that as we have seen!

[AllosaursRus]

Technically, Joe Jr. did not die in a crash. It was a mid-air explosion. I don't think they ever figured out exactly what happened, but while on a bombing mission, the plane just vaporized.

I'm sure all this bad Kennedy luck is just karma for Joe Sr.'s support of Hitler.

I believe the plane was a flying bomb. I think the idea was, sooner or later they were going to be radio controlled. The test pilot, Kennedy, is in the cockpit long enough to get across the English channel, bail out, where a plane flying alongside would have an operator take over and send the plane to it's target via radio control. It has been speculated the damn thing went off before Kennedy could bail out. The reason it blew into nickel sized chunks, is because it was loaded with something like 2 tons of explosives meant to destroy the target.

BTW, Kennedy volunteered for the mission as it was sure to receive a Distinguished Flying Cross for the danger. His father had convinced him the more medals he received the likelier he could be elected Pres of the US!

[vesta111]

I believe the plane was a flying bomb. I think the idea was, sooner or later they were going to be radio controlled. The test pilot, Kennedy, is in the cockpit long enough to get across the English channel, bail out, where a plane flying alongside would have an operator take over and send the plane to it's target via radio control. It has been speculated the damn thing went off before Kennedy could bail out. The reason it blew into nickel sized chunks, is because it was loaded with something like 2 tons of explosives meant to destroy the target.

BTW, Kennedy volunteered for the mission as it was sure to receive a Distinguished Flying Cross for the danger. His father had convinced him the more medals he received the likelier he could be elected Pres of the US!

Very interesting theory, like that of Glen Miller death, caused a flap in Europe as people that knew him personally swore that had met with him weeks after he went missing.