Morality. It's not about sex.

[VivisMom]

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AspieGrrl  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-03-08 08:40 AM
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Morality. It's not about sex.
 Advertisements [?]Alright, so I'm kind of pissed off lately.

It seems that most of the time people talk about "Morality", they're talking about sex, or more specifically, sex acts they don't like or are uncomfortable with other people doing. You know, premartial sex, gay sex, polyamory, BDSM, selling sex, buying sex, furries, whatever. Things that when done safely, consensually, and honestly, aren't hurting anyone.

My moral philosophy goes like this: Don't be mean. Not even the golden rule, since other people might like having things done unto them that other people may not enjoy. Just don't be mean. Don't hurt people. With sex, as long as it's safe, honest, and consenual, it's fine. I have no idea when what people do in their own bedrooms (or wherever) became the definition of immorality. War? Hunger? Violence? Rape? That's ****ing immoral. Two (or more) consenting adults doing whatever sexually? How is that morally wrong?

I'm going to quote Pierre Trudeau on this one and say that "The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation". And neither do we. So if someone wants to have sex with someone of the same gender, have a three-way, spank someone, lose their virginity before marriage, or even wear a friggin' bunny costume, who the hell are we to tell them what they're doing is icky or immoral or wrong?
 

Okay, not so bad. But the responses are what really get me.

Triana  (1000+ posts)       Thu Apr-03-08 08:43 AM
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1. 100% agreed. All the flap about sex, sexuality, abortion, etc. is...
 ...a DISTRACTION from the real moral issues we face:

Poverty
Climate Change
Human Rights Abuses

etc.

And it's a DELIBERATE distraction.

I dunno...I'd consider jabbing a sharp object through the base of a skull and vacuuming out the brain to be a human rights violation. But wait! It's an unborn baby! It doesn't count!

patrice  (1000+ posts)       Thu Apr-03-08 08:45 AM
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2. It's also not about killing unknown others for " our Freedom". nt

Sure it is! It's called ABORTION. Killing an unknown child so you can go whore yourself out some more, you ignorant slut. 

[Red October]

patrice  (1000+ posts)       Thu Apr-03-08 08:45 AM
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2. It's also not about killing unknown others for " our Freedom". nt

Sure it is! It's called ABORTION. Killing an unknown child so you can go whore yourself out some more, you ignorant slut. 

Big time high 5's! 

[franksolich]

Great find, VivisMom.

[jtyangel]

No, liberals like to BELIEVE morality is ONLY about sex. It most certainly is not, although it's far easier to win that argument with them on that topic as long as they support positions that include bailing people out of their free sexual choices via nationalized healthcare and abortion. Abortion and euthanasia are both moral topics and yes, even war is because not all wars are just. Lying, cheating in business dealings, lack of self-control, coveting another person's things(DUmmies, wishing for the demise of the 'rich' would fall into this category )etc--all moral issues. In fact it is hard to escape any situation where a call of judgement is made that morality of one kind or another does not figure in. Liberals, and even some conservatives, are the ones who focus heavily on this particular area and probably because the sexual has held fascination for human beings since the beginning of the time, but it certainly is not the be all and end all of morality.

[NHSparky]

Maybe someone ought to apply the seven deadly sins to Skins Island and see how fast all of them can get broken.

My guess is before the OP in that thread gets banned.

[VivisMom]

No, liberals like to BELIEVE morality is ONLY about sex. It most certainly is not, although it's far easier to win that argument with them on that topic as long as they support positions that include bailing people out of their free sexual choices via nationalized healthcare and abortion. Abortion and euthanasia are both moral topics and yes, even war is because not all wars are just. Lying, cheating in business dealings, lack of self-control, coveting another person's things(DUmmies, wishing for the demise of the 'rich' would fall into this category )etc--all moral issues. In fact it is hard to escape any situation where a call of judgement is made that morality of one kind or another does not figure in. Liberals, and even some conservatives, are the ones who focus heavily on this particular area and probably because the sexual has held fascination for human beings since the beginning of the time, but it certainly is not the be all and end all of morality.

That's what really gets me. These people-who advocate for the killing of unborn children, who support lawmakers who have committed murder(Kennedy) and adultery (Spitzer) and other felonies (Marion Barry anyone?), are lecturing on morality? The hubris of these people is unbelievable.

Thanks for the compliment, Frank. I'm honored. 

[jtyangel]

No, liberals like to BELIEVE morality is ONLY about sex. It most certainly is not, although it's far easier to win that argument with them on that topic as long as they support positions that include bailing people out of their free sexual choices via nationalized healthcare and abortion. Abortion and euthanasia are both moral topics and yes, even war is because not all wars are just. Lying, cheating in business dealings, lack of self-control, coveting another person's things(DUmmies, wishing for the demise of the 'rich' would fall into this category )etc--all moral issues. In fact it is hard to escape any situation where a call of judgement is made that morality of one kind or another does not figure in. Liberals, and even some conservatives, are the ones who focus heavily on this particular area and probably because the sexual has held fascination for human beings since the beginning of the time, but it certainly is not the be all and end all of morality.

That's what really gets me. These people-who advocate for the killing of unborn children, who support lawmakers who have committed murder(Kennedy) and adultery (Spitzer) and other felonies (Marion Barry anyone?), are lecturing on morality? The hubris of these people is unbelievable.

Thanks for the compliment, Frank. I'm honored. 

Well the sexually related topics are their sacred cow. Quite frankly I think some of that blame lies with our ancestors who put a particularly narrow focus on such things too at one time--Victorian morality if you will. Culture is still climbing out of that way of thinking to understand that nearly everything is life revolves around the moral(or immoral choices) of others. The really interesting irony is that many liberals are stuck in the same rut of thinking on this issue that they accuse other people of pigeon holing their choices into. Despite their best hopes, they still can't escape the trappings in thinking, right or wrong, of the culture in which they were raised. I always find that a little bit humorous. 

[BlueStateSaint]

patrice  (1000+ posts)       Thu Apr-03-08 08:45 AM
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2. It's also not about killing unknown others for " our Freedom". nt

Sure it is! It's called ABORTION. Killing an unknown child so you can go whore yourself out some more, you ignorant slut. 

Big time high 5's! 

Ditto!

[Airwolf]

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AspieGrrl  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-03-08 08:40 AM
Original message
Morality. It's not about sex.
 Advertisements [?]Alright, so I'm kind of pissed off lately.

It seems that most of the time people talk about "Morality", they're talking about sex, or more specifically, sex acts they don't like or are uncomfortable with other people doing. You know, premartial sex, gay sex, polyamory, BDSM, selling sex, buying sex, furries, whatever. Things that when done safely, consensually, and honestly, aren't hurting anyone.

My moral philosophy goes like this: Don't be mean. Not even the golden rule, since other people might like having things done unto them that other people may not enjoy. Just don't be mean. Don't hurt people. With sex, as long as it's safe, honest, and consenual, it's fine. I have no idea when what people do in their own bedrooms (or wherever) became the definition of immorality. War? Hunger? Violence? Rape? That's ******* immoral. Two (or more) consenting adults doing whatever sexually? How is that morally wrong?

I'm going to quote Pierre Trudeau on this one and say that "The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation". And neither do we. So if someone wants to have sex with someone of the same gender, have a three-way, spank someone, lose their virginity before marriage, or even wear a friggin' bunny costume, who the hell are we to tell them what they're doing is icky or immoral or wrong?

They lie when they say that isn't the reeason they want abortion so bad. The only reason its even needed is for the health of the baby or mother and in cases of rape and incest.
 

Okay, not so bad. But the responses are what really get me.

Triana  (1000+ posts)       Thu Apr-03-08 08:43 AM
Response to Original message
1. 100% agreed. All the flap about sex, sexuality, abortion, etc. is...
 ...a DISTRACTION from the real moral issues we face:

Poverty
Climate Change
Human Rights Abuses

etc.

And it's a DELIBERATE distraction.

I dunno...I'd consider jabbing a sharp object through the base of a skull and vacuuming out the brain to be a human rights violation. But wait! It's an unborn baby! It doesn't count!

patrice  (1000+ posts)       Thu Apr-03-08 08:45 AM
Response to Original message
2. It's also not about killing unknown others for " our Freedom". nt

Sure it is! It's called ABORTION. Killing an unknown child so you can go whore yourself out some more, you ignorant slut. 

[Chris_]

Having no morals liberals need to attack anyone and everyone who ever espoused morals and fell short.

[Carl]

Morals are another impediment to their dreams of utopian Marxism.

The concept that we are not amoral animals but that there is the reality of evil and good flies in the face of their goal of a mindless humanity all equal and subservient to those outside the system....them.

[dandi]

Triana  (1000+ posts)       Thu Apr-03-08 08:43 AM
Response to Original message
1. 100% agreed. All the flap about sex, sexuality, abortion, etc. is...
 ...a DISTRACTION from the real moral issues we face:

Poverty
Climate Change
Human Rights Abuses

etc.

And it's a DELIBERATE distraction.

A distraction by whom?

I rarely see sex dicussed in the MSM anymore as a moral issue. Most often, it's a political issue. DUmmies are always holding forth about one "distraction" or another. They must have incredibly short attention spans.

"Oh look, a shiny object! Um, what was I talking about?"