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Tyler Durden  (1000+ posts)       Tue Apr-01-08 02:01 PM
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Does this guy have ANY non-homophobic Religious Supporters???
 http://gaywired.com/article.cfm?section=163&id=18614


Barack Obama’s Latest Pastor Problem: Anti-Gay Rev. James T. Meeks

Article Date: 03/31/2008

By Duane Wells

Just as the dust surrounding Sen. Barack Obama’s long-term association with controversial minister Rev. Jeremiah Wright has begun to settle comes new reports of the democratic presidential hopeful’s connection to another racially divisive public figure—the stridently homophobic Rev. James T. Meeks, an Illinois state senator who also serves as the pastor of Chicago’s 22,000 member strong Salem Baptist Church.

Described in a 2004 Chicago Sun Times article as someone Barack Obama regularly seeks out for “spiritual counsel”, James Meeks, who will serve as an Obama delegate at the 2008 Democratic convention in Denver, is a long-time political ally to the democratic frontrunner.

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A spring 2007 newsletter from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) named Meeks one of the "10 leading black religious voices in the anti-gay movement". The newsletter cites him as both “a key member of Chicago's ‘Gatekeepers’ network, an interracial group of evangelical ministers who strive to erase the division between church and state” and “a stalwart anti-gay activist… … has used his House of Hope mega-church to launch petition drives for the Illinois Family Institute (IFI), a major state-level ‘family values’ pressure group that lauded him last year for leading African Americans in ‘clearly understanding the threat of gay marriage.'”

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On a more personal level, Meeks has reportedly blamed "Hollywood Jews for bringing us Brokeback Mountain" and actively campaigned to defeat SB3186, an Illinois LGBT non-discrimination bill, while serving in the Illinois state legislature alongside Obama. According to a 2006 Chicago Sun Times article, his church sponsored a "Halloween fright night" which "consigned to the flames of hell two mincing young men wearing body glitter who were supposed to be homosexuals."

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I mean, COME ON, PEOPLE. This Candidate is looking more and more like a closet homophobe than anything else. Either he IS NOT a bigot and repudiates these people...ALL OF THEM...or he IS a bigot and holds their views.

Does anyone else see a third way on this?


 
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DU9598 (1000+ posts)      Tue Apr-01-08 02:12 PM
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3. Pretty serious charge
 I am gay, but one of my best friends is a devout christian who continually spouts off about the sanctity of marriage. I love her and we have been long time friends. I tolerate her religious beliefs and I challenge her. She tolerates my sexuality and challenges me. But, we have so many beliefs and friends and joys in life in common that I cannot toss her aside because she is wrong in her belief on gay rights.

Am I too, as a gay man, a closet homophobe?
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blm  (1000+ posts)     Tue Apr-01-08 02:17 PM
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4. Has it occurred to any of you that this 'problem' is the result of nearly 2 decades of
 intense targeting of black churches by GOP and RW propagandists with NO REBUTTAL or attempts at countering the propaganda by a Democratic party too intent on currying favor with big business and the center right voters?

Imagine the progress if we had a Dem party who was led the last 15 years by leaders who sought to counter the progress of the RW propagandists instead of giving in to them on the issue whenever it would come up - like Don't Ask Don't Tell and DOMA.

Imagine if we had a Dem party led the last 15 years by someone more willing to EDUCATE instead of rolling over to the propagandists.

What we have now is what the GOP propagandists built while Clinton and his leadership of the Dem party since 1993 helped them by looking the other way or rolling over - whichever move would assure no political capital of Clinton's was spent.
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Re: Does this guy have ANY non-homophobic Religious Supporters???
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2008, 07:32:34 PM »
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blm  (1000+ posts)     Tue Apr-01-08 02:17 PM
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4. Has it occurred to any of you that this 'problem' is the result of nearly 2 decades of
 intense targeting of black churches by GOP and RW propagandists with NO REBUTTAL or attempts at countering the propaganda by a Democratic party too intent on currying favor with big business and the center right voters?


Imagine the progress if we had a Dem party who was led the last 15 years by leaders who sought to counter the progress of the RW propagandists instead of giving in to them on the issue whenever it would come up - like Don't Ask Don't Tell and DOMA.

Imagine if we had a Dem party led the last 15 years by someone more willing to EDUCATE instead of rolling over to the propagandists.

So their church's position on homosexuality comes not from deeply-held spiritual beliefs rooted in the Bible, but is instead a product of being brainwashed by the VRWC? All you have to do is "EDUCATE" the poor dumb nigras, right?

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Re: Does this guy have ANY non-homophobic Religious Supporters???
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2008, 07:34:25 PM »
Uh, DUmmies have a lot in common with Fred Phelps and Jeremiah Wright. It's fun to watch DUmmies rip each other.  :evillaugh:
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Re: Does this guy have ANY non-homophobic Religious Supporters???
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2008, 09:08:02 PM »
and yet, the leftists 'tards have NO PROBLEMS with radical islam, which, as practiced in Iran still HANGS gays.
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Re: Does this guy have ANY non-homophobic Religious Supporters???
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2008, 09:37:58 AM »
Can you say, Cognitive Dissonance?
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Re: Does this guy have ANY non-homophobic Religious Supporters???
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2008, 10:20:53 AM »
Can you say, Cognitive Dissonance?

Nah, not really.  :lmao:
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Re: Does this guy have ANY non-homophobic Religious Supporters???
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2008, 10:53:14 AM »
Hey, DUmmies:

No matter how accepting they seem on the outside, all normal people are repulsed by homosexuals.  It's just a fact of life.  It the homo's cross to bear.

You can legislate and zero tolerance all you want, and you may even get the desired results - on the surface, but underneath the phony veneer will still be the repulsion and disgust.   

There will never come a day when normal people will think homosexuals are just another race of people to be thought of as equals.  It ain't NEVER gonna happen.  So whatever does come from the "gay agenda", it will all be a lie.  The homos may conquer the veneer, but they will never own the structure.

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Re: Does this guy have ANY non-homophobic Religious Supporters???
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2008, 11:00:01 AM »
^exactly!!! It's a defect. It's not how we were intended to behave. Wires are most certainly crossed in gays. I don't hate them, I pity them. I don't think they deserve any special rights either. And I honestly can't think of what rights straight people have that they don't. A same sex couple can live together, buy real estate, make each other their benficiaries, open bank accounts, travel together, use assisted reproduction to have kids, buy insurance, etc...

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Re: Does this guy have ANY non-homophobic Religious Supporters???
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2008, 11:01:09 AM »
Hey, DUmmies:

No matter how accepting they seem on the outside, all normal people are repulsed by homosexuals.  It's just a fact of life.  It the homo's cross to bear.

You can legislate and zero tolerance all you want, and you may even get the desired results - on the surface, but underneath the phony veneer will still be the repulsion and disgust.   

There will never come a day when normal people will think homosexuals are just another race of people to be thought of as equals.  It ain't NEVER gonna happen.  So whatever does come from the "gay agenda", it will all be a lie.  The homos may conquer the veneer, but they will never own the structure.
Something about finding a piece of corn or peanut on your willy after sex kinda disgusts us "breeders". :evillaugh:
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Re: Does this guy have ANY non-homophobic Religious Supporters???
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2008, 10:33:09 PM »
Something about finding a piece of corn or peanut on your willy after sex kinda disgusts us "breeders". :evillaugh:

Ah, yeah  ... that is gross, a butter bean stuck on the end of your dick. 
Body fluids from barebacking  ... yeah, that's gross.
Barebacking and getting AIDS  ... yeah, was a preventable tragedy.
Barebaking while knowing you are HIV positive  ... yeah, I say that's selfish & immoral.
Spreading AIDS to your unsuspecting wife/girlfriend ... again, selfish and immoral.

Nothing good can/or will ever come from the homosexual lifestyle.

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Re: Does this guy have ANY non-homophobic Religious Supporters???
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2008, 11:56:16 PM »
Something about finding a piece of corn or peanut on your willy after sex kinda disgusts us "breeders". :evillaugh:

Uhm.... Straight people have anal sex too. And sometimes with even worse results.

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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2008, 11:59:53 PM »
Something about finding a piece of corn or peanut on your willy after sex kinda disgusts us "breeders". :evillaugh:

Nothing good can/or will ever come from the homosexual lifestyle.

Blanket statement much? Your post is like saying... based on Spring Break decadence/violence, high divorce rates, high abortion rates, men being denied custody rights, and pregnant women being killed by their partners...

nothing good can/will come from the straight lifestyle.

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