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Current Events => Terrorism In the US and Around the World => Topic started by: DLR Pyro on September 26, 2014, 01:07:17 PM
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the cancer has made it to our shores
MOORE, Okla. – Officials with the Moore Police Department say the FBI is now involved in the investigation related to a brutal attack of workers at a food distribution plant.
Sgt. Jeremy Lewis says the alleged suspect, 30-year-old Alton Nolen had just been fired when he drove to the front of the business, hit a vehicle and walked inside.
He walked into the front office area where he met 54-year-old Colleen Hufford and began attacking her with a knife.
Sgt. Lewis confirms the type of knife used in the attack is the same kind used at the plant.
Lewis confirms that Hufford was stabbed several times and that Nolen “severed her head.â€
At that point, Lewis claims Nolen met 43-year-old Traci Johnson and began attacking her with the same knife.
Officials say at that point, Mark Vaughan, an Oklahoma County reserve deputy and a former CEO of the business, shot him as he was actively stabbing Johnson.
“He’s a hero in this situation,†Sgt. Lewis said, referring to Vaughan. “It could have gotten a lot worse.â€
Authorities say it appears Nolen was attacking employees at random.
Johnson is in stable condition at a local hospital, recovering from her injuries.
The FBI is now looking into Nolen’s background after his former co-workers said he tried to convert them to Islam after recently converting himself.
http://kfor.com/2014/09/25/reports-police-respond-to-possible-shooting-near-moore-grocery-store/ (http://kfor.com/2014/09/25/reports-police-respond-to-possible-shooting-near-moore-grocery-store/)
Thank God Mark Vaughn was on site and had a gun.
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Will MSM TV News mention he had converted?.......I doubt it.
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Another example of workplace violence by a Tea Party terrorist brought about by climate change. Gun control and solar power would have prevented this.
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Another example of workplace violence by a Tea Party terrorist brought about by climate change. Gun control and solar power would have prevented this.
Followed by a singing of . . .
:kumbaya:
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It sounds like this Savage got what he wanted... A quick trip to shaitan in the fires of hell. Let that serve as a lesson to the rest of them.
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Police: Woman beheaded at Oklahoma workplace
https://news.yahoo.com/police-woman-beheaded-oklahoma-workplace-144459291.html
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — A man fired from an Oklahoma food processing plant beheaded a woman with a knife and was attacking another worker when he was shot and wounded by a company official, police said Friday
A recent Muslim convert, Altn Nolen, beheaded CColleen Hufford. Horrible!
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Federal agents with the FBI have been called in after it was reported Nolen was shouting Islamic phrases during the attack and previously tried to also convert co-workers to Islam, KWTV reported.
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/09/26/oklahoma-man-beheaded-female-co-worker-and-stabbed-another-while/20968260/
Just more "work place violence" ????
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We believe the future of food in this country is based upon true product freshness, customization of product, and product delivered rapidly and frequently into the market. Our model is essentially centered around a “regional†concept, which puts us close to the customer with a wide, but interrelated range of fresh food products – value-added vegetables, refrigerated deli salads, soups and stews, sauces, sandwiches, and fruit.
http://www.vaughanfoods.com/
I hope they didn't fire him because of food contamination.
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It sounds like this Savage got what he wanted... A quick trip to shaitan in the fires of hell. Let that serve as a lesson to the rest of them.
I don't think the attacker is dead. Another article said he was being treated at a hospital.
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I caught that after I posted. One can only hope that he doesn't linger like hassan did.
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BREAKING: Muslims Shout “Praise Allah!†Surround OK Police Following Press Conference on Beheading (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/breaking-muslims-shouting-praise-allah-surround-ok-police-following-press-conference-on-beheading/)
Posted by Jim Hoft
thegatewaypundit.com
Friday, September 26, 2014, 5:39 PM
The Muslims were saying “Praise Allah†during the press conference.
Cops/reporters were close by but not being yelled at by muslims as many have asked me but a few muslims were saying praise allah out loud
— Bob Lawson (@LandonLawson78) September 26, 2014
In times past (elsewhere) I've chewed out people for posting the, "Kill 'em all and let Allah sort out thee good from the bad," nonsense, but @#$% like this - and the absence and/or slowness/mildness of condemnations from better Muslims - make it really hard for me to believe the peaceful Musilm are as numerous, peaceful, and decent as I have believed them to be. Seriously! Hacking off the head of a random 50-something woman stranger is a religious experience to rejoice over?!
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BREAKING: Muslims Shout “Praise Allah!†Surround OK Police Following Press Conference on Beheading (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/breaking-muslims-shouting-praise-allah-surround-ok-police-following-press-conference-on-beheading/)
Posted by Jim Hoft
thegatewaypundit.com
Friday, September 26, 2014, 5:39 PMIn times past (elsewhere) I've chewed out people for posting the, "Kill 'em all and let Allah sort out thee good from the bad," nonsense, but @#$% like this - and the absence and/or slowness/mildness of condemnations from better Muslims - make it really hard for me to believe the peaceful Musilm are as numerous, peaceful, and decent as I have believed them to be. Seriously! Hacking off the head of a random 50-something woman stranger is a religious experience to rejoice over?!
You're catching on.
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From things I've read, this character did not target the specific woman whose head he hacked of or the woman he was stabbing when the company owner shot him. They were probably strangers to him. BUT he obviously was targeting employees of the company, very possibly women employees and possibly even white women employees.
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From things I've read, this character did not target the specific woman whose head he hacked of or the woman he was stabbing when the company owner shot him. They were probably strangers to him. BUT he obviously was targeting employees of the company, very possibly women employees and possibly even white women employees.
Women are weaker and Allah don't care, an infidel head is an infidel head.
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You're catching on.
Your condescension is unappreciated. A mosque (actually, an "Islamic Center", as it lacks a minaret) has been located within 4 or 5 miles of my home for 10 or more years, and there not been any head-hackings or suicide bombings around here. And I've worked with Muslims at several companies in the 35+ years I've worked in Silicon Valley, and my (and all other fellow employees') head remains on my shoulder.
So, if you missed the word "nonsense" and its import in my sentence, "... the, "Kill 'em all and let Allah sort out thee good from the bad," nonsense ...," I still regard such "thought" as nonsense.
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I caught that after I posted. One can only hope that he doesn't linger like hassan did.
Since he was shot, I'm sure he suffered some blood loss. Hopefully some massive blood loss requiring a blood transfusion. Let's say we give him a large infusion of blood from a pig and let him and the muslim world know this is how we are going to react in the future to their acts of barbarism.
The muslims are using beheading as a weapon against civilized people because of it's horrific shock value and the psychological advantage it gives them. It's time for the gloves to come off and fight back with something that they find truly abhorrent.
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Your condescension is unappreciated. A mosque (actually, an "Islamic Center", as it lacks a minaret) has been located within 4 or 5 miles of my home for 10 or more years, and there not been any head-hackings or suicide bombings around here. And I've worked with Muslims at several companies in the 35+ years I've worked in Silicon Valley, and my (and all other fellow employees') head remains on my shoulder.
So, if you missed the word "nonsense" and its import in my sentence, "... the, "Kill 'em all and let Allah sort out thee good from the bad," nonsense ...," I still regard such "thought" as nonsense.
"Deception is a part of war."....Mohammed.
"We smile at them with our faces but in our hearts we hate them."....Mohammed.
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"Deception is a part of war."....Mohammed.
"We smile at them with our faces but in our hearts we hate them."....Mohammed.
Save your over-generalized over-simplified Islam 101 mini-lectures. When you read the Qur'an you'll catch up to where I was 11 years ago.
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Beheading Suspect Fired After Argument Over Stoning Women
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/breaking-beheading-suspect-alton-nolenjahkeem-yisrael-fired-after-argument-over-stoning-women#.VCa46vcMfeo.twitter
A classmate of Nolen's, who didn't wish to be identified, told this newspaper that he spoke to a close family member of Nolen's today.
He told this newspaper that according to the family member, Nolen was telling coworkers Thursday of an Islamic teaching that said women should be stoned for an offense, and that an argument followed the mark, Nolen was later fired and returned later Thursday, when he beheaded Colleen Hufford, the family member said.
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Save your over-generalized over-simplified Islam 101 mini-lectures. When you read the Qur'an you'll catch up to where I was 11 years ago.
OH really....that'll teach me that Islam really is the religion of peace?
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As overly simplistic and generalized as this next statement is, it captures my sentiments exactly:
"I learned all I needed to know about Islam on 9/11."
I don't trust the bastards, I don't want to be around the bastards, and you can better believe I watch the bastards when I have no other option but be around them.
Go ahead and call me a bigot. Go and and tell me I'm profiling. I don't give a damn.
It's precisely because of animals like Nolen that I changed my stance on various political ideas, to include the 2nd Amendment. Whether the animal is muzzie or not, if he begins attacks in the manner in which Nolen did, he's dead. Pure and simple.
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Your condescension is unappreciated. A mosque (actually, an "Islamic Center", as it lacks a minaret) has been located within 4 or 5 miles of my home for 10 or more years, and there not been any head-hackings or suicide bombings around here. And I've worked with Muslims at several companies in the 35+ years I've worked in Silicon Valley, and my (and all other fellow employees') head remains on my shoulder.
So, if you missed the word "nonsense" and its import in my sentence, "... the, "Kill 'em all and let Allah sort out thee good from the bad," nonsense ...," I still regard such "thought" as nonsense.
I personally have no problem with muslims... as long as they leave me and the country alone. Unfortunately they do not denounce this type of behavior and unfortunately they will eventually not leave me alone.
You have read about ISIS and their exploits? That is just the most recent muzzie atrocity. Coming to a town in the US near you soon!!! Glad you still have your head on top of your shoulders. Go to ISIS controlled territory, say you are a Christian and see if it stays there. Religion of peace my ass! If the so called moderate muslims would stand up en masse and denounce that kind of behavior, and quit funding it, then I might agree with you. Until I see that, your argument holds no water.
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A muslim is entreated to lie to infidels especially if it will further the cause of islam.
Let us not forget the 3 dispositions for infidels...
Conversion
Subjugation
Death
If you are a muslim, the nice part about the 3 dispositions for infidels is that even if an infidel is subjugated and or converted, they are still subject to the final disposition at whim.
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The muslims are using beheading as a weapon against civilized people because of it's horrific shock value and the psychological advantage it gives them. It's time for the gloves to come off and fight back with something that they find truly abhorrent.
I kinda prefer this . . .
(http://epikfails.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/323643479_c2709a6cae_z.jpg)
A Christian holiday and Vlad mentioned together! :yahoo: :whistling: :fuelfire: :tongue:
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OH really....that'll teach me that Islam really is the religion of peace?
:rotf: It'll ground your fears in reality. :rotf: Not overturn or reverse them, just align them better.
You'll see more clearly where they're coming from. You'll see the roots of their treatment of women. You'll see why the Qur'an has contradictions and it's OK to them. IOW, it's not "kumbaya" foolishness, but understanding the people who want to hack off your head (or should but don't) and their weak points.
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I personally have no problem with muslims... as long as they leave me and the country alone. Unfortunately they do not denounce this type of behavior and unfortunately they will eventually not leave me alone.
You have read about ISIS and their exploits? That is just the most recent muzzie atrocity. Coming to a town in the US near you soon!!! Glad you still have your head on top of your shoulders. Go to ISIS controlled territory, say you are a Christian and see if it stays there. Religion of peace my ass! If the so called moderate muslims would stand up en masse and denounce that kind of behavior, and quit funding it, then I might agree with you. Until I see that, your argument holds no water.
I see you have no clue about what my "argument" is or about me. The latter I can understand, since I didn't post much here between 2010 and this spring, but as for my "argument", try reading what I posted instead of reading your stereotypes into my posts.
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SECOND OKLAHOMA MUSLIM Threatens to Behead Coworker – Says He Represents ISIS
Jacob Mugambi Muriithi, a Muslim from Kenya, was arrested after he threatened to behead a coworker at the Bellevue Nursing Home. Muriithi told the coworker he “represented ISIS and that ISIS kills Christians.â€
Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/second-oklahoma-muslim-threatens-to-behead-coworker/)
******* animals.
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Hey, cool! I've been "Bitch-Whiffed" a couple of times in the past day or two! I was starting worry that I was boring the snot out of folks here!
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^Have another.
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Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/second-oklahoma-muslim-threatens-to-behead-coworker/)
******* animals.
Here's a version from The Blaze:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/28/another-oklahoma-man-reportedly-a-muslim-arrested-after-he-allegedly-threatened-to-cut-off-coworkers-head-this-is-just-what-we-do/
The woman said she asked him why they kill Christians and he replied, “This is just what we do,†the detective reported.
Plus, Pete, if there are 'moderate' Muslims, we should be hearing them condemn these beheadings. The only thing we're hearing from Muslims in the US just happen to be the crickets that are near them at any given time. If you have proof of it being different, post a link. You may know individual Muslims that are horrified at this, but until they band together and say "Enough! We have to change!" and deal with the consequences, they're drowned out by insects.
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Plus, Pete, if there are 'moderate' Muslims, we should be hearing them condemn these beheadings. The only thing we're hearing from Muslims in the US just happen to be the crickets that are near them at any given time. If you have proof of it being different, post a link. You may know individual Muslims that are horrified at this, but until they band together and say "Enough! We have to change!" and deal with the consequences, they're drowned out by insects.
Your first sentence is a point I've posted elsewhere for years, minus the word, "if". You contradict your suggestion that such Muslims don't really exist - you know, what that word "if" in your fist sentence means - in the second and fourth sentence of this paragraph.
You challenge me to, "If you have proof of it being different, post a link." I'll do better than "a link. DuckDuckGo search (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=muslims+condemning+violence+by+muslims) on the phrase "muslims condemning violence by muslims". If your "challenge" was more than a rhetorical challenge you thought I could not meet, you'll find a good number of links to instances of Muslims condemning violence by Muslims. Heh! Not only did I meet your challenge, but I met the predictable retort of, "Well that's only one (or only two, or only ...)."
Since with one side of your keyboard you try to suggest that peaceful Muslims do not exist, explain why I've worked around Muslims for over 10 years that I know of, yet my head is still on my shoulders. Explain why there is an Islamic Center within 5 miles of my home (its address is 400 Budd Avenue, Campbell, CA; you can see it using Google Earth if you're terminally curious), but there hasn't even been one terror bombing or suicide bombing these past 10+ years. Not to mention many more Islamic Centers here in Silicon Valley. I meet Muslims in grocery stores, department stores, the gym, hiking trails, and more places than I care to recall, but no bomb wreckage or hacked-off heads ... why is that?
I met and exceeded your "challenge", :-) , now you can try mine.
Oh, and lest I forget, thanks for the Whiff-Slap.
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Pete, if the only perspective you have with these savages is working around them and "hey, there's a mosque right by my house and nothing's happened", then your position is a dangerously naive one - especially considering all of the evidence that smacks us in the face about the cult of mohammed every single day.
Since with one side of your keyboard you try to suggest that peaceful Muslims do not exist, explain why I've worked around Muslims for over 10 years that I know of, yet my head is still on my shoulders. Explain why there is an Islamic Center within 5 miles of my home (its address is 400 Budd Avenue, Campbell, CA; you can see it using Google Earth if you're terminally curious), but there hasn't even been one terror bombing or suicide bombing these past 10+ years. Not to mention many more Islamic Centers here in Silicon Valley. I meet Muslims in grocery stores, department stores, the gym, hiking trails, and more places than I care to recall, but no bomb wreckage or hacked-off heads ... why is that?
Let me help you with this:
Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.
Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.'
When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris --car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim
Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675
Wake up, Pete. You are talking about a religious group that has not found their Martin Luther, who get more extreme in violence and bloodlust to prove they're more pious than the other groups, who have as part of their "faith" a complete blessing to lie to your face because you are a non believer, who's "moderates" are considered by the "pious" to be in a state of apostasy for not following the faith correctly (and they'll kill them just to prove that point)...
Are you getting it? Is this sinking in? Islam is a far greater threat than communism or National Socialist fascism, Pete, simply because it has many more followers and is more easily absorbed in the vacuum of a society that has decided Jesus is no longer relevant. Islam is the faith of victimhood which is why it is so popular in the black communities and in prisons - they're feeding the class and race warefare that the liberals have beaten into the heads of the weak. Islam promises them revenge and blood for the transgressions of the White Christians and Jews. Those peaceful muslims you see all over Silicon Valley? They don't give a shit about you, infidel, and they will smile at your face while they hate you in their heart. Believe me when I tell you this as someone who has seen islam with the mask removed.
Clutch those vipers to your breast if you wish, but don't expect those who know better to join you.
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Pete, if the only perspective you have with these savages is working around them and "hey, there's a mosque right by my house and nothing's happened", then your position is a dangerously naive one - especially considering all of the evidence that smacks us in the face about the cult of mohammed every single day.
Let me help you with this:
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675
Wake up, Pete. You are talking about a religious group that has not found their Martin Luther, who get more extreme in violence and bloodlust to prove they're more pious than the other groups, who have as part of their "faith" a complete blessing to lie to your face because you are a non believer, who's "moderates" are considered by the "pious" to be in a state of apostasy for not following the faith correctly (and they'll kill them just to prove that point)...
Are you getting it? Is this sinking in? Islam is a far greater threat than communism or National Socialist fascism, Pete, simply because it has many more followers and is more easily absorbed in the vacuum of a society that has decided Jesus is no longer relevant. Islam is the faith of victimhood which is why it is so popular in the black communities and in prisons - they're feeding the class and race warefare that the liberals have beaten into the heads of the weak. Islam promises them revenge and blood for the transgressions of the White Christians and Jews. Those peaceful muslims you see all over Silicon Valley? They don't give a shit about you, infidel, and they will smile at your face while they hate you in their heart. Believe me when I tell you this as someone who has seen islam with the mask removed.
Clutch those vipers to your breast if you wish, but don't expect those who know better to join you.
Give it time Wasps , sort of a hide and watch thing.
Isis with millions of dollars behind them start off with a BANG, Off With a few heads to scare the rest of the world with their so called ancient war fare had some how come to scare the pants off the rest of the world.
Lots of threats to country's by Isis why not threaten them back ?
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Department of Justice Set to Ban Profiling by Federal Law Enforcement: Report
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/26/department-of-justice-set-to-ban-profiling-by-federal-law-enforcement-report/
The Justice Department is expected in the coming weeks to ban federal law enforcement officers from profiling, the Los Angeles Times reported Friday night.
According to the Times, the new policy will bar federal authorities from using an individual’s ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation to target people for suspicion of a crime.
The new policy will include an exemption for federal officers working on national security investigations, the Times reported, noting that congressional sources said officials concerned about terrorism lobbied hard for the exemption.
:thatsright:
I guess Obama and his good buddy holder are afraid their Muslim friends will get caught.
Many Muslims are terrorists but we can't suspect Muslims might be terrorists. :mental:
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_i9PhTYehNzVoxqRd8aRrrKJY5T_AKdczWCmy7hJ55GvttvRNww)
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Wasp69 nails it, of course. (h5)
I spent a considerable amount of time in what used to be called "West Berlin." One district in that particular part of Berlin is named Kreuzberg. This is a worker's district primarily, with a fair amount of old construction inhabited by many tens of thousands of Turkish workers who were "invited" by the West German government to c'mon over and be part of the economic "wonder" that was happening to Germany in the late 1940s and 1950s.
They arrived, set up shop, and started influencing their neighborhoods.
As it stands right now, there are about 10% of the city that are Middle Eastern. You can roughly extrapolate and assume that most of these are Muzzies. In some districts like Neuköln, the percentage is 80%.
The result? Predictable, per wasp69's observations and quote:
http://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles/2010/08/11/no-go-zones-in-berlin-are-noted/
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Wasp69 nails it, of course. (h5)
I spent a considerable amount of time in what used to be called "West Berlin." One district in that particular part of Berlin is named Kreuzberg. This is a worker's district primarily, with a fair amount of old construction inhabited by many tens of thousands of Turkish workers who were "invited" by the West German government to c'mon over and be part of the economic "wonder" that was happening to Germany in the late 1940s and 1950s.
They arrived, set up shop, and started influencing their neighborhoods.
As it stands right now, there are about 10% of the city that are Middle Eastern. You can roughly extrapolate and assume that most of these are Muzzies. In some districts like Neuköln, the percentage is 80%.
The result? Predictable, per wasp69's observations and quote:
http://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles/2010/08/11/no-go-zones-in-berlin-are-noted/
A sobering article.
Especially;
One thing that should be learned from Islamic sociology is that the larger the percentage of Muslims in a non-Islamic society, the worse the level of Islo-anarchy.
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Wasp nailed it, Pete. I think that what we'd all say is that one person's experience is not indicative of the whole.
Try again. :tongue:
Oh--I think that Bill Maher and I have something in common . . .
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpdGK3F4pC0[/youtube]
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Pete, if the only perspective you have with these savages is working around them and "hey, there's a mosque right by my house and nothing's happened", then your position is a dangerously naive one - especially considering all of the evidence that smacks us in the face about the cult of mohammed every single day.
Let me help you with this:
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675
Wake up, Pete. You are talking about a religious group that has not found their Martin Luther, who get more extreme in violence and bloodlust to prove they're more pious than the other groups, who have as part of their "faith" a complete blessing to lie to your face because you are a non believer, who's "moderates" are considered by the "pious" to be in a state of apostasy for not following the faith correctly (and they'll kill them just to prove that point)...
Are you getting it? Is this sinking in? Islam is a far greater threat than communism or National Socialist fascism, Pete, simply because it has many more followers and is more easily absorbed in the vacuum of a society that has decided Jesus is no longer relevant. Islam is the faith of victimhood which is why it is so popular in the black communities and in prisons - they're feeding the class and race warefare that the liberals have beaten into the heads of the weak. Islam promises them revenge and blood for the transgressions of the White Christians and Jews. Those peaceful muslims you see all over Silicon Valley? They don't give a shit about you, infidel, and they will smile at your face while they hate you in their heart. Believe me when I tell you this as someone who has seen islam with the mask removed.
Clutch those vipers to your breast if you wish, but don't expect those who know better to join you.
Wow! An impressive response to something I didn't and wouldn't say. Like I posted above to I_B_P, "I see you have no clue about what my "argument" is or about me. The latter I can understand, since I didn't post much here between 2010 and this spring, but as for my "argument", try reading what I posted instead of reading your stereotypes into my posts."
You, I_B_P, BSS and maybe a couple others imagine you have me figured out. In reality you almost as far wrong as it is possible to be.
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Wasp nailed it, Pete. I think that what we'd all say is that one person's experience is not indicative of the whole.
Try again. :tongue:
Wasp nailed his own - and your - imaginings, if you think he responded to the meaning of anything I actually have said.
Nice attempt to dismiss my challenge, but it doesn't work. I can understand why you would dismiss rather than attempt to answer my questions.
Let me give you a brief geography lesson. I live in Silicon Valley. The extent of that is not exactly precisely defined, but if you take the area to be from San Jose in the south, to Palo Alto in the north, to Los Gatos in the west, to Milpitas in the east - I assume you can see what I mean using MapQuest or Google Maps, if care to - the population of Silicon Valley is on the order of 1.5 million people. So what you try to dismiss as "one person's experience" is in reality the daily experience of many hundreds of thousands in Silicon Valley alone. And many more 10s of millions in CA and other states have the same experience. The murderers like that character in OKC (and the Kenyan in OKC who threatened a co-worker) or that character apprehended recently in NY or NJ after killing several people are real, are a danger (and are almost certainly not the only Muslims who will commit murder), and grab headlines.
But reality is that they are a tiny minority among Muslims in the US. That is the answer to my questions that you evaded, seemingly out of need to avoid.
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Pete, if they're such a tiny minority (and they are, IMO, for the time being, as Wasp pointed out in his link), why is the number of their attacks growing by what seems to be leaps and bounds? Maybe because their population within the US is getting to the points--'decision points,' for lack of a better term--that they can (and, by their past performances in other countries, again referencing Wasp's chart) do said acts with impunity. There was some ridiculous number that I heard on Rush's show today, that since 2000 (IIRC), the Muslim population of the US has increased by over 2 million.
You still have your head because the population of Muslims isn't at the level in the USA that they begin 'ethnic cleansing' at--yet. If it continues at this rate, the USA is going to be a heluva mess, with the Left, the gay lobby, and the Islamist Muslims (which are continuing to build numbers daily--remember, there's over a billion Muslims in the world from which to glean their 10%-15% from) are going to fight it out. My guess is that the Islamist Muslims will win in that struggle.
The remedy for all of this? It's all summed up here:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Again, and this seemed to enter one of your ears, make a circuit of the inside of your head, and go out the other ear faster than what it entered, I said this:
one person's experience is not indicative of the whole.
You're trying to cover the entirety of Muslims in the USA with your experiences. That doesn't fly. You know that.
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Wow! An impressive response to something I didn't and wouldn't say. Like I posted above to I_B_P, "I see you have no clue about what my "argument" is or about me. The latter I can understand, since I didn't post much here between 2010 and this spring, but as for my "argument", try reading what I posted instead of reading your stereotypes into my posts."
You, I_B_P, BSS and maybe a couple others imagine you have me figured out. In reality you almost as far wrong as it is possible to be.
Then you have my deepest apologies for wasting both of our time.
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Wake up, Pete. You are talking about a religious group that has not found their Martin Luther, who get more extreme in violence and bloodlust to prove they're more pious than the other groups, who have as part of their "faith" a complete blessing to lie to your face because you are a non believer, who's "moderates" are considered by the "pious" to be in a state of apostasy for not following the faith correctly (and they'll kill them just to prove that point)...
If you actually understood anything about Islam, and either understood or thought through what you "know" of Christianity and Martin Luther, you would realize what a horrible non-analogy that is! In case you missed my posts about this a couple of thread pages ago, I have read the Qur'an - it's an insomnia cure, but I did so trying to understand it. I wanted to understand, to some degree, the people who would fly airplanes into skyscrapers full of innocent people and who want to hack my head off. Further, I am an Evangelical Christian who was raised in the Lutheran church. So I have some familiarity with the subjects of this inapt analogy. Let me try to be brief and clear:
* The Bible is the foundational document of Christianity; Christians for centuries have understood it to be God's inspired Word in its original autographs;
* Martin Luther's intent was to return Christians to the Bible as authoritative over traditions and to the teachings of the Bible;
* The Qur'an is the foundational document of Islam; Muslims regard it, in the Arabic, to be the literal words of Allah;
* If you have read the Qur'an or significant portions of it, you would know that it is the "radical" Muslims - the head-hackers - who are trying to turn Muslims back to being faithful to the teachings of the Qur'an.
IOW: Luther wanted Christians to be true to their faith, as it is defined in the Bible; the "radical" Muslims are the ones who want Muslims to be true to their faith. I'll go a step farther than you. I do not think Islam is reformable, in the sense becoming peaceful at its core. The reason I think this is that I've read the Qur'an (in English), and it defines Islam as, at heart, a raiders' and a forced-conversion-or-death religion. If anyone thinks I just contradicted myself, it is because they haven't bothered ti read and understand my previous posts!
Are you getting it? Is this sinking in?
:banghead:
I read the Qur'an in 2002. I've been around and hosted in my Christian missionaries to Muslim countries at least since the 1980s and 1990s. My "getting it" and "sinking in" happened decades ago.
Like I said above, you all imagined you had me figured out and read your imaginings into my posts. And your imaginings are almost diametrically wrong. Try reading my posts instead of your imaginations! :hammer:
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You're trying to cover the entirety of Muslims in the USA with your experiences. That doesn't fly. You know that.
Don't waste your breath, BSS. If the words of those who have been there and done that don't make a dent, there's nothing that will burn through that level of arrogance.
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Don't waste your breath, BSS. If the words of those who have been there and done that don't make a dent, there's nothing that will burn through that level of arrogance.
Yeah--a few of our other members--RayRayTheSBS comes to mind, for one--use the phrase 'weapons-grade stupidity.'
But, there is something that will cut through that level of arrogance. Let's hope it ain't Pete that's the one who finds that out first-hand.
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If you actually understood anything about Islam, and either understood or thought through what you "know" of Christianity and Martin Luther, you would realize what a horrible non-analogy that is! In case you missed my posts about this a couple of thread pages ago, I have read the Qur'an - it's an insomnia cure, but I did so trying to understand it. I wanted to understand, to some degree, the people who would fly airplanes into skyscrapers full of innocent people and who want to hack my head off. Further, I am an Evangelical Christian who was raised in the Lutheran church. So I have some familiarity with the subjects of this inapt analogy. Let me try to be brief and clear:
* The Bible is the foundational document of Christianity; Christians for centuries have understood it to be God's inspired Word in its original autographs;
* Martin Luther's intent was to return Christians to the Bible as authoritative over traditions and to the teachings of the Bible;
* The Qur'an is the foundational document of Islam; Muslims regard it, in the Arabic, to be the literal words of Allah;
* If you have read the Qur'an or significant portions of it, you would know that it is the "radical" Muslims - the head-hackers - who are trying to turn Muslims back to being faithful to the teachings of the Qur'an.
IOW: Luther wanted Christians to be true to their faith, as it is defined in the Bible; the "radical" Muslims are the ones who want Muslims to be true to their faith. I'll go a step farther than you. I do not think Islam is reformable, in the sense becoming peaceful at its core. The reason I think this is that I've read the Qur'an (in English), and it defines Islam as, at heart, a raiders' and a forced-conversion-or-death religion. If anyone thinks I just contradicted myself, it is because they haven't bothered ti read and understand my previous posts!
:banghead:
I read the Qur'an in 2002. I've been around and hosted in my Christian missionaries to Muslim countries at least since the 1980s and 1990s. My "getting it" and "sinking in" happened decades ago.
Like I said above, you all imagined you had me figured out and read your imaginings into my posts. And your imaginings are almost diametrically wrong. Try reading my posts instead of your imaginations! :hammer:
You've already gotten my sincere apology, Pete. Ignore this poor, ignorant soul and enjoy your muslim multi-culti.
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* The Qur'an is the foundational document of Islam; Muslims regard it, in the Arabic, to be the literal words of Allah;
* If you have read the Qur'an or significant portions of it, you would know that it is the "radical" Muslims - the head-hackers - who are trying to turn Muslims back to being faithful to the teachings of the Qur'an.
Right here you prove your own point false. "True Muslims" are NOT peaceful, by your own words, because they ARE following the teachings of the Quran and the Sura and Hadith.
It is telling that the other translation for the word "Islam" is surrender. That is what Muslim conquerors used to offer to a city: Islam or death. If you wanted to live, you chose Islam.
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Right here you prove your own point false. "True Muslims" are NOT peaceful, by your own words, because they ARE following the teachings of the Quran and the Sura and Hadith.
It is telling that the other translation for the word "Islam" is surrender. That is what Muslim conquerors used to offer to a city: Islam or death. If you wanted to live, you chose Islam.
This "response" was so predictable that the very post you quoted had this statement:
If anyone thinks I just contradicted myself, it is because they haven't bothered ti (sic) read and understand my previous posts!
Try reading before responding! Try understanding instead of Olympic-level conclusion-jumping! You all are (or should be) too smart to be posting such a field-full of strawmen!
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Right here you prove your own point false. "True Muslims" are NOT peaceful, by your own words, because they ARE following the teachings of the Quran and the Sura and Hadith.
Here's a challenge for you to ignore or dismiss: link and quote where I said that all Muslims were completely faithful to the Qur'an. Or where I (rather than you) posted the Muslim equivalent of the, "No true Scotsman," fallacy.
As an aside, do you realize that your phrase, "... the teachings of the Quran and the Sura and Hadith," illustrates your lack of understanding of Islam? A "Sura" or "Surah" is a chapter of the Qur'an, not a separate book (as are the Hadith). A tiny thing, but so elementary that it says much.
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My first hand experience with Muslims isn't very good, and I've had several. I can only think of two in a positive light.
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Pete, if the only perspective you have with these savages is working around them and "hey, there's a mosque right by my house and nothing's happened", then your position is a dangerously naive one - especially considering all of the evidence that smacks us in the face about the cult of mohammed every single day.
Let me help you with this:
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675
Wake up, Pete. You are talking about a religious group that has not found their Martin Luther, who get more extreme in violence and bloodlust to prove they're more pious than the other groups, who have as part of their "faith" a complete blessing to lie to your face because you are a non believer, who's "moderates" are considered by the "pious" to be in a state of apostasy for not following the faith correctly (and they'll kill them just to prove that point)...
Are you getting it? Is this sinking in? Islam is a far greater threat than communism or National Socialist fascism, Pete, simply because it has many more followers and is more easily absorbed in the vacuum of a society that has decided Jesus is no longer relevant. Islam is the faith of victimhood which is why it is so popular in the black communities and in prisons - they're feeding the class and race warefare that the liberals have beaten into the heads of the weak. Islam promises them revenge and blood for the transgressions of the White Christians and Jews. Those peaceful muslims you see all over Silicon Valley? They don't give a shit about you, infidel, and they will smile at your face while they hate you in their heart. Believe me when I tell you this as someone who has seen islam with the mask removed.
Clutch those vipers to your breast if you wish, but don't expect those who know better to join you.
QFT
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of the Quran and the Sura and Hadith," illustrates your lack of understanding of Islam? A "Sura" or "Surah" is a chapter of the Qur'an, not a separate book (as are the Hadith). A tiny thing, but so elementary that it says much.
Why defend people so vehemently...that wouldn't return the same favor to you?
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I know that Allen B. West, LTC, US Army, Retired and former congressman from Florida, spent a lot of time studying Islam.
History, Allah, Mohammed, the entire package.
He walked away understanding EXACTLY what kind of threat Islam is.
If it's good enough for LTC West, it's good enough for me.
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Why defend people so vehemently...that wouldn't return the same favor to you?
Because:
I've worked around Muslims for over 10 years that I know of, yet my head is still on my shoulders. Explain why there is an Islamic Center within 5 miles of my home (its address is 400 Budd Avenue, Campbell, CA; you can see it using Google Earth if you're terminally curious), but there hasn't even been one terror bombing or suicide bombing these past 10+ years. Not to mention many more Islamic Centers here in Silicon Valley. I meet Muslims in grocery stores, department stores, the gym, hiking trails, and more places than I care to recall, but no bomb wreckage or hacked-off heads
Anecdotal trumps all, duh!
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Because:
Anecdotal trumps all, duh!
He is The World, don't 'cha know! ::) :whatever: :whistling:
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Might be anecdotal or maybe he's doing it on purpose. Here's a comment he made at CU in the welcome thread for RustyBayonet:
I've "skillfully" managed to get some folks there riled up at me, so it may become a toxic place for me. If so it's probably not much loss on either side.
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Might be anecdotal or maybe he's doing it on purpose. Here's a comment he made at CU in the welcome thread for RustyBayonet:
Deliberate obtuseness is considered a "skill"?
(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/shaking_head_breaking_bad.gif)
I guess if you're a Silicon Valley titan, it must be. Too bad us old military guys aren't bright enough to "get it".
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Deliberate obtuseness is considered a "skill"?
(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/shaking_head_breaking_bad.gif)
I guess if you're a Silicon Valley titan, it must be. Too bad us old military guys aren't bright enough to "get it".
Pete, there are 10 sides to every story.
The majority of Muslims are Woman who never get to read the books of their Lord and master. Reason is the faith is a Male only group and to allow woman to learn to read would
cause half the breeding population to rebel. Worse, if females knew what was going on in the mind of the men, they would find a new use for a cast iron fry pan.
Females have to depend on the Males to tell them what their God wants. Woman have no idea but that of the traditions of parents, g- grand parents and the community.
Much pressure on the females in the community to conform, not to mention pressure on the
family that finds itself with a free sprit. We have had a few cases of family killing their daughters for going against the parents wishes. The Father and brothers are in some way convinced their females must die to keep their own HONOR and dignity.
Who the hell put this idea in their heads, so much weird stuff to us westerners, but now that they have raised the flag of WAR, off with their heads before they get ours.
Time to play dirty pool against those that wish to harm us. BOOTS ON THE GROUND, BOOTS ON THE GROUND. PLAY BY THEIR RULES, A HEAD FOR A HEAD.
Quit this gentleman's war shit , do we still need file closers to win a war ??????
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Pete, there are 10 sides to every story.
The majority of Muslims are Woman who never get to read the books of their Lord and master. Reason is the faith is a Male only group and to allow woman to learn to read would
cause half the breeding population to rebel. Worse, if females knew what was going on in the mind of the men, they would find a new use for a cast iron fry pan.
Females have to depend on the Males to tell them what their God wants. Woman have no idea but that of the traditions of parents, g- grand parents and the community.
Much pressure on the females in the community to conform, not to mention pressure on the
family that finds itself with a free sprit. We have had a few cases of family killing their daughters for going against the parents wishes. The Father and brothers are in some way convinced their females must die to keep their own HONOR and dignity.
Who the hell put this idea in their heads, so much weird stuff to us westerners, but now that they have raised the flag of WAR, off with their heads before they get ours.
Time to play dirty pool against those that wish to harm us. BOOTS ON THE GROUND, BOOTS ON THE GROUND. PLAY BY THEIR RULES, A HEAD FOR A HEAD.
Quit this gentleman's war shit , do we still need file closers to win a war ??????
First Bill Maher. Now Vesta. :cheersmate:
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Here's a challenge for you to ignore or dismiss: link and quote where I said that all Muslims were completely faithful to the Qur'an. Or where I (rather than you) posted the Muslim equivalent of the, "No true Scotsman," fallacy.
As an aside, do you realize that your phrase, "... the teachings of the Quran and the Sura and Hadith," illustrates your lack of understanding of Islam? A "Sura" or "Surah" is a chapter of the Qur'an, not a separate book (as are the Hadith). A tiny thing, but so elementary that it says much.
OK, game on.
If you actually understood anything about Islam, and either understood or thought through what you "know" of Christianity and Martin Luther, you would realize what a horrible non-analogy that is! In case you missed my posts about this a couple of thread pages ago, I have read the Qur'an - it's an insomnia cure, but I did so trying to understand it. I wanted to understand, to some degree, the people who would fly airplanes into skyscrapers full of innocent people and who want to hack my head off. Further, I am an Evangelical Christian who was raised in the Lutheran church. So I have some familiarity with the subjects of this inapt analogy. Let me try to be brief and clear:
* The Bible is the foundational document of Christianity; Christians for centuries have understood it to be God's inspired Word in its original autographs;
* Martin Luther's intent was to return Christians to the Bible as authoritative over traditions and to the teachings of the Bible;
* The Qur'an is the foundational document of Islam; Muslims regard it, in the Arabic, to be the literal words of Allah;
* If you have read the Qur'an or significant portions of it, you would know that it is the "radical" Muslims - the head-hackers - who are trying to turn Muslims back to being faithful to the teachings of the Qur'an.
IOW: Luther wanted Christians to be true to their faith, as it is defined in the Bible; the "radical" Muslims are the ones who want Muslims to be true to their faith. I'll go a step farther than you. I do not think Islam is reformable, in the sense becoming peaceful at its core. The reason I think this is that I've read the Qur'an (in English), and it defines Islam as, at heart, a raiders' and a forced-conversion-or-death religion. If anyone thinks I just contradicted myself, it is because they haven't bothered ti read and understand my previous posts!
:banghead:
I read the Qur'an in 2002. I've been around and hosted in my Christian missionaries to Muslim countries at least since the 1980s and 1990s. My "getting it" and "sinking in" happened decades ago.
Like I said above, you all imagined you had me figured out and read your imaginings into my posts. And your imaginings are almost diametrically wrong. Try reading my posts instead of your imaginations! :hammer:
I highlighted your words that contradict you. You make an analogy between Martin Luther and "radical" Muslims, stating that Luther was attempting to return Christianity back to the teachings of the Bible, just as the "radical" Muslims are, using your words, are trying to turn Muslims back to being faithful to the teachings of the Qur'an.
What say you, Pete? Are your words tasty?
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Hey Pete...go down to that Mosque you talk about in your neignborhood, and ask one of your Muslim beighbors these questions:
- Do you condone or condemn those who give up their lives to kill enemy civilians?
Will you condemn the likes of al-Qaeda, Hamas and Hezbollah by name as terrorist groups?
Is jihad, meaning a form of warfare, acceptable in today's world?
Also: Do you accept the validity of other religions?
Should non-Muslims enjoy completely equal civil rights with Muslims?
Do you accept that institutions that fund terrorism should be shut down?
If their anser to any of them is no...then you're dealing with people that only pay lip service to being a "moderate" and you're putting yoruself and your family in a tight spot by continuing to defend them.
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Muslims are peaceful....the problem is infidels that keep backing into Muslim knives.
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Maybe we misinterpreted the muzzies.
Maybe they are pieceful.
As many pieces of the world they can dominate under a caliphate.
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As overly simplistic and generalized as this next statement is, it captures my sentiments exactly:
"I learned all I needed to know about Islam on 9/11."
I don't trust the bastards, I don't want to be around the bastards, and you can better believe I watch the bastards when I have no other option but be around them.
Go ahead and call me a bigot. Go and and tell me I'm profiling. I don't give a damn.
It's precisely because of animals like Nolen that I changed my stance on various political ideas, to include the 2nd Amendment. Whether the animal is muzzie or not, if he begins attacks in the manner in which Nolen did, he's dead. Pure and simple.
My sister called me a bigot when I expressed my concern. Frankly, my dear sis, I don't give a damned, to paraphrase from Gone With The Wind.
After 9-11 and all their latest exploits, I don't trust them. It's a shame for those who would not think of doing the beheading, but it's best to stay safe and be aware.
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My sister called me a bigot when I expressed my concern. Frankly, my dear sis, I don't give a damned, to paraphrase from Gone With The Wind.
After 9-11 and all their latest exploits, I don't trust them. It's a shame for those who would not think of doing the beheading, but it's best to stay safe and be aware.
My liberal B-I-L, a very liberal fellow, became a conservative after 911. He is to this day a conservative, so conservative that he now calls frequently to complain about Obama and the dems around him. He lives in Boston. :-)
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You better believe all the bad stuff you read in the Islamic holy books......because the Muslims do.
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Muslims are peaceful....the problem is infidels that keep backing into Muslim knives.
Netanyahu was on Greta's show this evening. He was showing pictures of Hamas executing hundreds of Palestinians to set an example and keep them intimidated.
Muslim against Muslim.
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Wife of Oklahoma Terrorism Suspect Starts 'GoFundMe' Account to Free Her Husband
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/01/Wife-Of-Accused-Oklahoma-Terrorist-Starts-GoFundMe-Account-To-Free-Her-Husband/
The wife of Jacob Muriithi, the 30-year-old Oklahoma City man who was arrested for allegedly threatening to behead his coworker last week, has created a GoFundMe account to free her husband—who she claims is not a Muslim but a devoted Catholic.
The page created by Hollie Muriithi has requested ten thousand dollars in donations and insists Jacob is innocent:
Hello everyone! I am here asking for your support to help bring my husband and the father of our child back home. He was taken into custody, and is being charged as of right now as an muslim terriost. We all know this is not for we are devoted Catholics and I want to clear his name and bring him back home to his family where he belongs, and can feel save while we go through this hardship. I am asking for your help because the attorney fees and the bonds are extremely high. My family and I have been able to raise money but we are not able to raise all of it. I am here to ask for your support, and we know some will not be able to help but I ask you still spread the word and continue to pray for us. I want to thank everyone for taking time to look at this and ask that you please pray for our family.God Bless you all.
Some people have donated. Sounds like a bunch of killer groupies. :mental: :bird:
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http://madworldnews.com/oklahoma-mosque-megyn-kelly/
Snip
Going only by “Noor,†the man explained to host Megyn Kelly that after two years of worshipping in the mosque, he became convinced that Islam actually promotes radical jihad. His description of the non-public teachings lend much insight into how Nolen became so radicalized that he beheaded a woman in Moore, Oklahoma.
Snip
It's only 3 paragraphs but worth the read. And, there's video.
KC
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http://madworldnews.com/oklahoma-mosque-megyn-kelly/
It's only 3 paragraphs but worth the read. And, there's video.
KC
From your link:
Noor explained that the mosque wouldn’t ever relay to the public that they support radical Islam, however, behind closed doors they were told that the suicide bombings in Israel, along with other radical acts, were fully supported. He also explained that they were taught that even if Osama bin Laden himself were to appear at their door, they should welcome him in because “he’s a fellow Muslim†and they “must protect†other believers from those who don’t practice Islam.
Would you look at that? Hatred and intolerance being taught at local "Islamic Centers" behind closed doors so the infidels won't figure out what the "peaceful muslims" are actually up to?
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I am sure there's an explanation for it...S.V. Pete ?
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Pete
Would you like to bet a tidy amount that many Muslim schools are radicalized. They teach hatred of America and anyone that does not believe in our way of life. Don't trust these bastards. Sorry to offend your stupidity.
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Pete
Would you like to bet a tidy amount that many Muslim schools are radicalized. They teach hatred of America and anyone that does not believe in our way of life. Don't trust these bastards. Sorry to offend your stupidity.
The valedictorian for one of the largest Islamic Schools in the U.S. is in prison for plotting to kill President Bush.
That school...is three miles from the back gate of Ft. Belvoir, VA. And for some reason...right before we left there in 2009 Fairfax County gave the Islamic Saudi Academy permission to expand!
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The valedictorian for one of the largest Islamic Schools in the U.S. is in prison for plotting to kill President Bush.
That school...is three miles from the back gate of Ft. Belvoir, VA. And for some reason...right before we left there in 2009 Fairfax County gave the Islamic Saudi Academy permission to expand!
We have an Islamic problem in Irvine. Irvine has a large Muslim population and many of the kids attend UC Irvine college. The campus there has been a hot bed for anti-Semitism and radical Islam. The college even shut down their Muslim Student Council for a year because they got so bad.