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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on November 26, 2018, 09:26:33 PM
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Star Member AndJusticeForSome (250 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211477090
Trying to get a good grasp of the Manafort news implications
We should know more in 10 days, but for now:
1) Manafort was caught lying. How?
a) Mueller knew from the beginning about the lies
b) Mueller got new info since Manafort's plea deal
If a) is true, it suggests that Manafort may have been "set-up", perhaps so that he would feed disinfo back to Trump (?).
How would that work? Manafort would have to be convinced that his lies we're believed by Mueller, and those lies then communicated to Trump as, so to speak, having been "vetted" as reliable enough for Trump to repeat to Mueller.
The timing supports this interpretation (being busted so soon after Trump turned in his homework).
If b) is true, I suppose the same conclusion above could apply; however, it removes much of the "set-up" scenario
Or, there is no additional story, just that Manafort got caught. That must also be a possibility.
2) Why would Manafort do that?
a) it's his nature
b) he believed he'd be pardoned
c) he thought he was smarter than Mueller
My head is spinning, trying to sort this out. Can anyone add more logical points, or correct any above? TIA
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They are all so caught up in the latest football... it will fail, like all the others...
Star Member wasupaloopa (2,246 posts)
2. turn on MSNBC The Last Word they are discussing this now
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Star Member Hoyt (36,020 posts)
6. In same situation, missing how Manafort will bring trump down (which is pretty much my focus).
He is proof that trump surrounds himself with sleazy crooks, but I'm not sure he has ever been charged with anything directly leading to trump being elected. I'm sure Mueller thinks he might know something, but Mueller sure hasn't charged Manafort with that, at least yet.
Like most of this mess, I hope I'm wrong and Manafort has tapes, or other evidence, of trump telling Putin he will wreck America for help in getting elected and not militarily oppose anything Putin wants while trump is in office.
If Mueller has a bead on that, I think Mueller would have moved much faster to stop trump.
its a huge nothing-burger... :-)
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Ummmmmm ... do these DU-morons realize that this is about Manafort's activities as an unregistered lobbyist for Ukraine? Years before Trump ran for President? This was investigated by Obama's FBI in 2014 and 2015, and for some reason they did not prosecute him at the time.
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Ummmmmm ... do these DU-morons realize that this is about Manafort's activities as an unregistered lobbyist for Ukraine? Years before Trump ran for President? This was investigated by Obama's FBI in 2014 and 2015, and for some reason they did not prosecute him at the time.
President Trump hadn't had the audacity to run against and defeat queen hillary at that time so the obama mob was cool with Manafort at that time.
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Am I misreading something here:
a) is true, it suggests that Manafort may have been "set-up", perhaps so that he would feed disinfo back to Trump (?).
How would that work? Manafort would have to be convinced that his lies we're believed by Mueller, and those lies then communicated to Trump as, so to speak, having been "vetted" as reliable enough for Trump to repeat to Mueller.
Mueller knowingly allows a witness under his authority to give false information to Trump and Trump uses that information to reply to inquiries directed by Mueller.
That's not an indictment of Trump, that's an indictment of Mueller. You can't feed people false information, then - when they recite the information you gave them - claim they lied.
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At his age, even the bargained sentence means life, he's really got nothing to lose at this point.
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At his age, even the bargained sentence means life, he's really got nothing to lose at this point.
IOW, Mueller overplayed his hand. Hatred often affects people's judgment, as we've seen among the Ds and MSM.
I wonder whether Mueller's team - let alone DU-grade Progs - realize their pique in calling Manafort a liar so as to get him sentenced to 3X-5X his remaining lifetime nuked the value of Manafort as a witness and of anything Manafort told Mueller's team. IOW, when it comes to the Trump-Russia Collusion Delusion Mueller got nothing, if that much.
Given the brevity of Manafort's time with the Trump Campaign, I doubt Manafort lied about anything substantial related to the campaign, and probably said nothing worse than forgetting what deli the Campaign patronized in NYC.
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I'm expecting Mueller to indict Lucy Van Pelt any day now for the NFL/Russian collusion. then .................... CHARLIE BROWN IS GOING DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!
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