DEMS and DUMS rush to loose war in Iraq:

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davidswanson (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-16-09 12:48 PM
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Lee Rejects Bush's 3-More-Years-in-Iraq Treaty 
 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4842423

Congresswoman Barbara Lee has just reintroduced a resolution opposing the treaty Bush made with his puppet government in Iraq to supposedly legitimize three more years of war. The treaty calls itself an "Agreement on Withdrawal," which is misleading enough, but commentators tend misleadingly to refer to it as a "security agreement" or a "status of forces agreement." The treaty makes war for three years, and its illegitimacy means that the occupation of Iraq is illegal.

The treaty has good elements in it, but top U.S. generals have already declared that they will violate those elements, including the requirement to leave towns and cities by the end of June 2009 and the requirement to leave the nation of Iraq entirely by the end of 2011.

More importantly, no U.S. president is empowered to create treaties without the consent of the U.S. Senate, a restraint on imperial power that should take precedence over consideration of the merits of a particular unconstitutional treaty. And no president is empowered to make war, which this unique treaty does.

Note that Lee calls Congress a "coequal" branch of government, but the Constitution says no such thing and overwhelmingly gives the bulk of the authority to govern our nation to the Congress.

Congresswoman Lee's resolution is now numbered H. Res. 72. Here it is:

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Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that absent congressional approval the Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq on the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities During Their Temporary Presence in Iraq is merely advisory and not legally binding on the United States, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Ms. LEE of California submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on

RESOLUTION

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that absent congressional approval the Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq on the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities During Their Temporary Presence in Iraq is merely advisory and not
legally binding on the United States, and for other purposes.

Whereas the Framers of the Constitution of the United States intended that all significant foreign commitments by the United States Government be made by treaty or statute;

Whereas the Constitution of the United States gives Congress the power to declare war, to raise and support armies, to provide and maintain a navy, to make rules governing such forces, to provide for organizing and calling forth the militia, to make rules concerning captures on land and water, and to regulate commerce with foreign nations;

Whereas the Constitution of the United States also gives Congress the power to make all laws necessary for carrying out the powers vested in the Government, and the power to raise and spend money;

Whereas in addition, the Senate has the responsibility of confirming appointments to diplomatic posts and by two-thirds vote must give its advice and consent to treaties before such treaties become effective;

Whereas Congress, established in Article I of the Constitution of the United States, is a co-equal branch of the Government, and each Member of Congress, regardless of political party, must resist encroachment by the executive branch on the constitutional prerogatives of Congress;

Whereas on November 26, 2007, and without congressional consultation or input, United States President George W. Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki signed the United States–Iraq Declaration of Principles for Friendship and Cooperation, a shared statement of intent that established common principles to frame the future relationship between the United States and Iraq;

Whereas President Bush publicly stated that the relationship
envisioned in the United States–Iraq Declaration of Principles for Friendship and Cooperation includes cooperation between the United States and Iraq in the political, diplomatic, economic, and security arenas;

Whereas President Bush declared his intent, during 2008, to negotiate and conclude before he leaves office detailed arrangements that will codify the bilateral relationship between the United States and Iraq following the expiration of the mandate of the Multi-National Force—Iraq under chapter VII of the United Nations Charter and the con-comitant resumption of Iraq’s normal status as a state with full legal and functional sovereignty and authorities and the restoration of Iraq’s legal international status;

Whereas on November 17, 2008, Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari and United States Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker signed the Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq on the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities During Their Temporary Presence in Iraq (hereinafter referred to as the ‘‘Agreement’’);

Whereas the procedure followed by the Government of Iraq required the Agreement to be submitted to and approved by Parliament, the national legislature of the Republic of Iraq, which approved the Agreement in December 2008;

in contrast the Agreement has not been submitted by the President to the United States Congress for approval as contemplated by the Constitution;

Whereas the Agreement contemplates a timetable that could leave United States troops in Iraq until December 31, 2011, which would cost American taxpayers more than $360 billion based on current spending levels, money that can be drawn from the United States Treasury only by a congressionally authorized appropriation of funds;

Whereas the Agreement undermines the constitutional powers of the next president by subjecting United States military operations to the approval of the Iraqi government, notwithstanding that throughout history, United States troops have been subjected to foreign control in peace-keeping operations only where authorized under treaties ratified by the Senate;

Whereas the Agreement subjects thousands of private military contractors to Iraqi courts in the event that they are charged with crimes but does not specify the law to be applied or the procedural safeguards that must be observed by Iraqi courts to ensure due process and equal justice; and

Whereas President Bush’s claim that he alone is empowered by the Constitution to negotiate and conclude detailed arrangements that will institutionalize the bilateral relationship between the United States and Iraq without any involvement of the Congress reflects a profound misreading of the Constitution: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that—

(1) the Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq on the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities During Their Temporary Presence in Iraq (hereinafter referred to as the ‘‘Agreement’’) is not a genuine Status of Forces Agreement and lacks the force of law because it was formalized in a manner inconsistent with the requirements of the United States Constitution;

(2) Congress should consider the Agreement to be advisory in nature and should not be legally bound nor obligated to appropriate any of the funds necessary to carry out the terms of the Agreement;

(3) the House of Representatives should conduct hearings during the 111th Congress to determine, inter alia, whether to authorize and fund the Agreement or to reject the Agreement to the extent that it—

(A) contemplates the United States maintaining United States troops in Iraq until Dec. 31, 2011, at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars to the United States Treasury;

(B) subjects United States military operations to ‘‘the approval of the Iraqi government’’, by giving operational control to ‘‘joint mobile operations command centers’’ controlled by a joint American-Iraqi committee; and

(C) subjects thousands of private military contractors to Iraqi courts in the event that they are charged with serious crimes but does not specify what crimes are to be deemed ‘‘serious’’ and does not address the law to be applied or the procedural safeguards that must be observed by Iraqi courts to ensure due process and equal justice; and

(4) the House of Representatives should conduct hearings during the 111th Congress to determine the impact, if any, of the Agreement on the status of the nearly 50,000 Iraqi nationals held in preventive detention by the Iraqi Government and United States forces as well as any such foreign nationals in Iraq who have been designated as ‘‘protected persons’’ under the Fourth Geneva Convention.

The leftists are pushing to get out now. Intresting is that they don't want the contractors to fall under Iraqi law, and that they want to force Iraq to name all detainees in Iraq as protected persons under Geneva. However, if they are arrested on the streets blowing up people, and not in uniform, then they are not covered under the convention, but are terrorists.

Of course, the DUmpmonkies are all for it:

bigtree  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-16-09 12:57 PM
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2. that's the right action. Good for Rep. Lee
 Edited on Fri Jan-16-09 12:57 PM by bigtree
Congress needs to assert their authority.

There is a question as to whether Obama will see it in his advantage or interest to recognize the effort and support it; especially if he feels it would result in an defeat on the questions.

Then there is the completely cynical view that Obama may not want any strings on his prerogatives in Iraq. After all, the pact Bush unilaterally negotiated and agreed to with the Maliki regime assumes the same autocratic authority to Obama as it did his predecessor.

It will be interesting to see how he receives this.

 

[Carl]

Wait until they find out Os actual withdrawl plan is going to be like Gitmo now...Hopefully by the end of his term.

[USA4ME]

Barbara Lee is a quack from Berzerkeley.  She'll be ignored.  Funny how the kooks always place their hopes in other kooks.

As a member of The Chicago Machine, Il Duce is in it for himself (power and money).  As it stands, he'll be getting the keys to Iraq and he isn't going to be interested in giving himself any resrictions.

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[DumbAss Tanker]

The House actually has no legitimate role in ratifying treaties, that is entirely the province of the Senate.

[jukin]

The House actually has no legitimate role in ratifying treaties, that is entirely the province of the Senate.

Shhhhh, don't tell that to the great Constitutional scholars at the DUmp.

[franksolich]

Oh, the rich trust-fund kid, the Swanson TV dinner primitive.

The guy's as bad as the kaput primitive, the kpete primitive, in posting things he wishes would happen, but never do.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Oh, the rich trust-fund kid, the Swanson TV dinner primitive.

The guy's as bad as the kaput primitive, the kpete primitive, in posting things he wishes would happen, but never do.

He agrees with the eating primitive:

I814U (65 posts)      Fri Jan-16-09 01:07 PM
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4. There's bad and good here...
 ...as CinC Bush technically owns whatever military the congress sees fit to buy for him. He can--WITHOUT senate approval--make agreements with other nations about basing those troops so long as it is not a treaty which, as duly noted, requires senate approval. It's sort of like when he sends "advisors" to foreign nations.

That's the bad side.

The good side: since this is not a treaty it does not have the force of law. Bush could make an "agreement" with his puppets to stay for 3 years, 10 years or the full duration of his 1000 year reich...

...BUT...

...since it is not law the next president can simply sign a piece of paper and dismiss the agree. If Bush had gained senate approval for a full-fledged treaty Obama would be saddled with having to live up to it; but Obama has the freedom as CinC to withdraw or troops.

Alas, it seems the eating primitive has been banned. I think her gay soldier thread was too much for them.