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gigantic primitive awaiting new slippers
« on: October 11, 2009, 03:15:06 PM »
http://drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11960&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=435

Skins's island is pretty boring today, and Fat Che still away from the internet, and the subway cat hasn't talked about the parade yet, and I can't find the Bostonian Drunkard's wedding photographs, so I thought I would see how the gigantic primitive's done this past week.

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October 6, 2009

Well, I got on this morning and started posting in other people's journals for a while before deciding to check my fasting blood sugar and blood pressure prior to making my own post.

First, let's review what I ate yesterday:

Breakfast and lunch were a big bowl of black bean soup with onions and spices from the McDougall cookbook. Not an MWL recipe, but I had about 2.5 cups of beans with tons of liquid and some onion to last me through the entire morning and afternoon.

Dinner consisted of a small bowl of boiled red and white potatoes, topped only with some seasoning blend (salt-free), and some garlic powder. I planned to stop there, but I wasn't satisfied on that. So, two hours later I had a Spring Onion McDougall cup (those are almost gone and we probably won't order more), followed by a final oatmeal cup another two hours after that.

No major offenders there on any level, except for the noodles in the Spring Onion cup if you really want to pick nits. I thought I did very well with trying to cut back on everything I apparently need to avoid like the plague.

So today I am posting in others' journals and then after 12 hours with no food I decide it's time to see how my blood sugar is running. I get a freaking 169. After that I spent most of the rest of the day listening to music and staring at the walls.

I had EQ2 running but didn't even really play. I ended up chatting with a couple of guild mates (both from Europe) about our sorry medical system and what I'm going through. They were very supportive and were wishing I could be where they were so I could at least get a modicum of proper help. If I ever hit the lottery, it'll happen yesterday even if I've regained my health. Guess that means I hate America. Sorry Glenn Beck, but SOCIALISM has me by the throat and just won't let me be! Cry for me, Mr. Beck! 

I've been in a serious funk all day which I'm just now getting out of just a little bit, and frankly I'm to the point where I'm afraid to eat. Anything. My meds for blood sugar will be completely used up in another couple months and I'm in a constant state of low-grade (when I'm lucky and it's not boiling up to the surface) panic.

I don't know if the money's going to be there to pay a doctor in cash to get my scrips going again, and since I've already been turned down by Medicaid since "we make too much" -- that's with me on $1100 in disability and my wife bringing in under $200/week working part time -- I'm not going to bother begging for a damn thing. I've seen enough of the "those with no medical care can die in a ditch" attitude right here on this message board to submit myself to the biases and b.s. of the public at large. Pride goeth before a fall? Fine.

The poles on my entire attitude have flipped, and I desperately need a resumption of weight loss and a renewed ability to exercise to get me back to where -- and who -- I want to be. We'll see what the scale says come Sunday, and we'll see if having nice slippers for my feet will help facilitate pedal pumping. It really sorta has to.

I will try -- no promises -- to keep my cynicism and negativity in check in the meantime. None of you need this, Jeanette and the cats don't need it (the critters can sense what's going on in my head and it pains me even more to see them acting differently out of confusion as to what's up with Daddy) and I know deep down I don't need it either and it's not helping me.

Sorry about all this. I wish I knew how to handle stress better.

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October 6, 2009

Wow, merriweather, you're a real life saver when I needed one!!

I know what Dr. McDougall's guidelines are concerning blood pressure -- i.e. no medication unless running at or over 160/100 for a month or longer after adopting the plan -- and I'm very happy to know that with an average reading of about 135/85 on no medications I'm doing very well in that respect for a guy who's close to four-and-a-half. Knowing I could quit lisinopril, or Diovan, or whatever other "boutique" blood pressure medication doctors have had me on was an immense relief.

However, out of all the McDougall books I own (including "Digestive Tune-Up", "Maximum Weight Loss", "The McDougall Plan" original edition and four cook books), none of them mention this blood glucose information. I've been "dressed down" and lectured so many times about blood sugar control, by everybody from doctors and nurses to my loving and well-meaning mother-in-law, who is a nurse for a cardiologist's office, that I've become totally paranoid of anything that seems even a little out of bounds. Because I'm home-treating serious and deep open ulcers on an extremity, that concern is vastly multiplied as you can probably guess!

My backstory is that I was on four blood sugar medications only two months ago. As they ran out, I have dropped to three and now only two. I've still had many readings below 120 in spite of this (and some as low as 78 if memory serves), so to see it spike just gives me a feeling of icy panic and completely distorts my emotions for an entire day if not longer. The fear ingrained in my psyche over it is that pervasive and overarching.

Now that you and the good Doctor have come to the rescue with far more reasonable guidelines, I will stop panicking unless I end up pegging over 250 repeatedly. I think I can avoid this if I'm very sensible about what I eat. I've had very good readings even with sprouted grain bread products and tofu in my diet, but to speed weight release I'm taking them back out until I can exercise and earn that extra calorie density.

Really, really, this information was just when I needed and not a moment too soon. I'd rather relax than live in constant fear and worry, and everyone here and at home is better off without my emo outbursts. I don't hit, throw or break things when I'm like this, but I am one hell of a crabby and impatient person during my "moments". That's no fun.

I'll be sure to sleep lots better tonight.

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October 9, 2009

Back after a rather protracted but intermittent internet outage. Our cable, internet and phone were all hit-and-miss for a day because something caused a disruption for our entire local area. It's fixed now, though. Thank goodness!

DangerousKiwi, thank you for the reassuring words. I've become totally at peace disregarding the medical establishment's guidelines to help keep me a lifelong user of dangerous chemicals. Those guidelines of Dr. McD's regarding blood sugar control were the last piece of the puzzle. I've already healed wonderfully by stopping my blood pressure medication, and in fact my readings continue to trend down such that more and more I don't even fall into the "pre-hypertensive" category according to my little machine.

As for the ways of eating, I fully and completely believe in those. My only problem is that in order to lose weight now, without the exercise component, I have to cut out everything that's even remotely calorie-dense. Coming from a guy who used to lose 3+ lbs. per week just walking every night while eating vegan junk food by the bag and all kinds of "vegetarian" pizza loaded with cheese and rich sauces, I had no problem with the reality that those types of things were going to be gone.

My shock is that I can't even have sprouted grain bread or tofu on a regular basis now! Once I'm as active as I desire to be once again, that's not going to be a problem. For now, though, I have to adopt an even more stringent and restrictive paradigm for a while. I'm finally coming to terms with that, and really it's not so bad.

bunsofaluminum, you are very right about so many people out there who refuse to see reason. I've seen them in hospitals, quick-care clinics, restaurants and shopping centers nearly every day of my life. If you start to observe people even a little bit, it shouldn't take long for the truth to "click". It's sad that for so many people it just won't.

Our roommate is one of those "lost causes" presently, and that really pains me because he's one of my best friends. I do a perfect job of avoiding all the junk food and sweets he has in his fridge and the pantry at least. Not one piece of candy in almost four months. Not one dunk into a bag of chips. Not one piece of cake or spoon of ice cream. Not even the "vegan" varieties I used to consume without a care in times past. I'm very proud of that.

And yeah, we thought about holding a little celebration when we heard the neighbors upstairs claiming their possessions on their final day. It was fun to listen to them going back and forth trying not to drop anything on the floor for once. 

Gramma Jackie, I'm sorry to hear about your husband. I do believe I've seen you post in other journals, talking about his problems. Another one I feel great empathy for is Love the Lorax, whose husband lives here in Vegas and is a doctor for Pete's sake, and yet his own health is in terrible shape! He's got the hot-to-the-touch, discolored legs which are probably raging with infection under the skin and who knows what other problems, yet he refuses to consider changing his diet. His ego as a doctor just causes him to proffer every excuse in the book, as it were, because obviously this whole line of vegan, plant-based reasoning has to be flawed....  It's a shame, really.

As for a salve for my own leg and foot ulcers, I'm healing naturally and very well using coconut oil on the skin along with some light compression to keep the water from pooling below my knees. It's working far, far better than I ever could have hoped for. I know I had some kind of infection raging down there when I first started using the stuff, because I trailed a nasty odor everywhere and my wounded areas were black and just sooo ugly. The odor is now completely gone, and the wounds are much less distressed-looking and they're slowly filling back in with healthy skin.

This has truly turned my life around when 99.99% of the rest of the population would have just laid down and prepared to die if they were me with no insurance and no way to afford a doctor visit. I consider myself to be one very lucky man to be in on Dr. McDougall's wisdom.

merriweather, thank you again for producing that quote from the "12 Day" book! My mind is calmer now and I can go back to just dealing with the other stupid pains I feel without the added stress of the whole blood sugar thing. It paid off, too. My fasting reading yesterday was only 106! I can't take one today because I woke up thirsty and went straight to the fridge to have a few sips of orange juice. I'll check again tomorrow, though. I hope your time at the doctor's office goes smoothly, given your situation with this diet plan vs. "their" guidelines which are -- of course -- the final word and never to be questioned! 

LauraA, thank you for checking in. I'm doing the best I can to keep my chin above water and my mind nice and calm throughout this process. Removing tofu and sprouted grain breads from my diet seems to be helping on the scale, but I won't know for sure until I officially weigh in on Sunday.

I've been feeling pretty good (by my standards) lately. I've been eating a lot of salad greens, potatoes, fat-free refried beans, veggies and fruit lately. I'm using up some fat-free corn tortillas once in a while, but other than that there's no more bread. We do have one package of silken tofu which I'm going to have Jeanette use as a dressing for a huge batch of potato salad, so that the tofu is spread very thinly through the recipe. Used in that manner it shouldn't mess up the numbers from potatoes, mustard, diced celery and onion and spices too much. The jury is still out on when we'll do that as there's no hurry yet with regards to the expiration date on the tofu.

More than anything, I'm eagerly awaiting my new slippers from KingSize that I ordered. If I can put those on and finally make it onto my recumbent exercise bike, I've got it made! Soon as I get them I'm going to try. I've missed exercise more than anything since having to give up marching because of the bleeding from my upper thighs. Much of my problem is due to the swelling from my lymphedema, I think.

Even though the magnitude of the problem is far less now, there is still damage to my skin which may be permanent. My left inner thigh feels like it has a piece of thick rawhide or something permanently grafted onto it. You can feel along the area and it goes from normal skin to this thick, pitted and completely inflexible other stuff just like that. It's an area that measures about 9 inches long from just above the knee to almost the groin, and I'd say about 3-4 inches wide.

The right thigh has a similar area but it's smaller and not as pronounced. Hopefully in time that will start to reverse, but for now I'm just happy that at least some of the swelling is gone. I sometimes think that it's going to be a serious hassle trying to deal with this messed-up skin when my weight is down, because I'm almost guaranteed to have a lot of loose skin to begin with. That's not a major concern at this time though, and it's definitely not a reason to discontinue following this plan through! I'd rather go under the knife to get some cosmetic surgery done than to be forced into losing toes, a foot or a whole leg.

I'm going to check some other journals now and see how the rest of you are doing, then I'll be messing around with EQ 2 while Jeanette's at work. I hope you're all having a good week!

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October 11, 2009

June 21, 2009 - 488 (-31 from Dec. 2007 lifetime high)
June 28 - 488 (unchanged due to quitting 3 daily doses of diuretics)

July 5 - 485 ( -3 )
July 12 - 478 ( -7 )
July 19 - 476 ( -2 )
July 26 - 475 ( -1 )

August 2 - 456 ( -19 ) ** (resumed diuretic and diabetic meds)
August 9 - 449 ( -7 )
August 16 - 454 ( +5 )
August 23 - 444 ( -10 ) (tried stopping lasix again -- no go)
August 30 - 449 ( +5 )

September 6 - 443 ( -6 )
September 13 - 442 ( -1 )
September 20 - 441 ( -1 )
September 27 - 440 ( -1 )

October 4 - 441 ( +1 )
October 11 - 435 ( -6 )

I'm a happy guy to be out of the 440s at last. You have no idea!!

You also have no idea how close to total exhaustion I am. So, pardon me while I try to lay down and finally get some sleep. I've been up nearly two days with just a couple brief naps to keep me sane.

Maybe "sane" wasn't such a good word choice...?

Well, only 35 more pounds to go, and then the gigantic primitive can dust off his resume and find a job.
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Re: gigantic primitive awaiting new slippers
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2009, 04:32:14 PM »
So if he's having trouble affording the medications that save his life, why does he have internet?  And does he seriously think with government run health care, those medications will be any easier to come by?

Listen, I have struggled with my weight all of my life so I'm hardly one to lecture someone else but when someone gets to the point where he is, weight loss would make all the difference in the world.  I'm not sure but I think even Medicare/Medicaid will pay for someone to have gastric bypass unless there's some other reason he would not be a candidate for such surgery. 

It sounds like all he wants is sympathy and a free ride.  Sorry bud, but the free rides are drying up quickly thanks to liberal policies and overspending. 

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Re: gigantic primitive awaiting new slippers
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2009, 05:48:48 PM »
I wish I had $2000 a month. Someone should raise his taxes and give it to me.

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Re: gigantic primitive awaiting new slippers
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2009, 08:21:58 PM »
Most useless DUmmies, like UGP and Ladysquawk, are defective individuals that you still would like to see
hanging in there, for the sake of comedy if for no other reason.

But this contemptible hunk of lard would be better off dead.

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Re: gigantic primitive awaiting new slippers
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2009, 08:28:38 PM »
Oh for pete's sake. His inner thigh condition is not permanent...it just sounds like all the chafing has create a callous on the skin there. The more fat he loses, the less those thighs rub together, and with some tlc I bet he can get his skin in pretty good shape there. Might be discolored a little, but it won't look like rawhide I would bet if it didn't have to keep 'guarding itself' from the damage of two thighs weighing 80 lbs a piece rubbing against one another.

Frank, he's only 35lbs away from 400! He might have to start putting that resume out in the new year! I bet his wife must be positively giddy. Probably already singing the Christmas songs happily in anticipation of the new year.  :cheersmate: :-)

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Re: gigantic primitive awaiting new slippers
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2009, 09:07:00 PM »
Oh for pete's sake. His inner thigh condition is not permanent...it just sounds like all the chafing has create a callous on the skin there. The more fat he loses, the less those thighs rub together, and with some tlc I bet he can get his skin in pretty good shape there. Might be discolored a little, but it won't look like rawhide I would bet if it didn't have to keep 'guarding itself' from the damage of two thighs weighing 80 lbs a piece rubbing against one another.

Frank, he's only 35lbs away from 400! He might have to start putting that resume out in the new year! I bet his wife must be positively giddy. Probably already singing the Christmas songs happily in anticipation of the new year.  :cheersmate: :-)

I do know of some behemoths circa 400 pounds that work for a living, including one who pitches hay, and another who stacks cases on pallets at a grocery wholesaler, eight cases a minute, eight hours a day, for circa $18 an hour, plus health insurance.

And there's a third one, who works for a grain elevator, but I'm not sure exactly what he does there' perhaps scoops grains into bins.

One hopes these last 35 pounds evaporate fast, so that the gigantic primitive is pounding the pavements, wearing out shoe leather, getting a job, and taking some of the pressure off his wife and the taxpayers.
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Re: gigantic primitive awaiting new slippers
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2009, 09:48:06 PM »
Speaking of this mountain of blubber, I wonder if anyone remembers the old Tons o' Fun comedy
short features that were on TV in the '50s, before the democrats invented political correctness.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2009, 12:39:11 PM »
I do know of some behemoths circa 400 pounds that work for a living, including one who pitches hay, and another who stacks cases on pallets at a grocery wholesaler, eight cases a minute, eight hours a day, for circa $18 an hour, plus health insurance.

And there's a third one, who works for a grain elevator, but I'm not sure exactly what he does there' perhaps scoops grains into bins.

One hopes these last 35 pounds evaporate fast, so that the gigantic primitive is pounding the pavements, wearing out shoe leather, getting a job, and taking some of the pressure off his wife and the taxpayers.

That dude might weigh 400 lbs but I guarantee ya he has some muscles under that fat layer, he's probably not carrying much more than 50 lbs of fat over his muscular frame.  :uhsure:

I couldn't do that. I'm trying to get under 3.

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Re: gigantic primitive awaiting new slippers
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2009, 01:10:12 PM »
I've always thought that if you can type a post (and he types out long long ones), there must be a job you could do.  In fact, I think I saw one on craigslist.  Not the big bucks, certainly, but it's something.  It still haunts me the way he said in a previous post that he was "accomplishing tasks" on his internet game. 
A little sad.  Accomplishing tasks is obviously something he wants, and it would do his head a world of good to actually do that. 

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Re: gigantic primitive awaiting new slippers
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2009, 01:31:56 PM »
That dude might weigh 400 lbs but I guarantee ya he has some muscles under that fat layer, he's probably not carrying much more than 50 lbs of fat over his muscular frame.  :uhsure:

I couldn't do that. I'm trying to get under 3.

I'm trying to get under 3 as well, but I'm just as happy that - for as sedentary as my career choice is - I'm able to keep it in the neighborhood of 3.
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Re: gigantic primitive awaiting new slippers
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2009, 02:03:20 PM »
How can anyone that concerned about his blood sugar eat that many potatoes? That simply invites insulin to come out and play. I don't know who this McDougall is but he/she obviously never heard of the glycemic index.

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Re: gigantic primitive awaiting new slippers
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2009, 06:40:53 PM »
How can anyone that concerned about his blood sugar eat that many potatoes? That simply invites insulin to come out and play. I don't know who this McDougall is but he/she obviously never heard of the glycemic index.

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That struck me as very odd too.

As soon as my blood sugar got into the 80's my doctor told me more exercise and to cut out the potatoes, white bread, pasta and rice.

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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2009, 07:06:57 PM »
By the way, Eli Manning seemed to be doing pretty well while suffering from plantar faciitis, which
has this tub of lard incapacitated (along with all the open sores he describes in nauseating detail).

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Re: gigantic primitive awaiting new slippers
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2009, 07:07:51 PM »
http://drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11960&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=435
Well, only 35 more pounds to go, and then the gigantic primitive can dust off his resume and find a job.

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Re: gigantic primitive awaiting new slippers
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2009, 07:15:09 PM »
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Breakfast and lunch were a big bowl of black bean soup with onions and spices from the McDougall cookbook. Not an MWL recipe, but I had about 2.5 cups of beans with tons of liquid and some onion to last me through the entire morning and afternoon.

Dinner consisted of a small bowl of boiled red and white potatoes, topped only with some seasoning blend (salt-free), and some garlic powder. I planned to stop there, but I wasn't satisfied on that. So, two hours later I had a Spring Onion McDougall cup (those are almost gone and we probably won't order more), followed by a final oatmeal cup another two hours after that.


Too many carbs and salt.
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Re: gigantic primitive awaiting new slippers
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2009, 04:12:53 AM »
The gigantic primitive reported back to Skins's island, at a bonfire that's been featured here before.

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16. Well over 10% in 16 weeks!

Keep up the great work. I'll try to remind myself to check out your journal over at Doc McD's house.

And don't worry about the honey thing. Use what works for you. If you can find something else, great. If not, again, use what works for you.

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17. 12 more lbs. will put me at 96 lost (30% to goal)!

This assumes that I will settle at a weight of 199, which for me may be too low.

In my Senior year of high school I tore it up with exercise, bicycling and walking all over Las Vegas. I got down to 235 from having been around 300 prior to that, and I barely had a tummy at all. I think 220 would have been perfect, especially if I would have started weight training rather than succumbing to depression and overeating.

I'll stick to each 32 lbs. equaling 10% for now, but it may be more like 30.

Once the gigantic primitive hits 400, and goes out and gets a job, the next 200 pounds should be a piece of cake, to lose.
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Re: gigantic primitive awaiting new slippers
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2009, 11:51:44 AM »
Once the gigantic primitive hits 400, and goes out and gets a job, the next 200 pounds should be a piece of cake, to lose.
If this were the DUmp, people would insist that post be accompanied by one of those stupid sarcasm signs.

That enormous tub of lard is no more likely to take a job than is the newlywed DUmmy Pitt.

His only objective is to maintain an excuse for spending full time playing his silly computer fantasy game - premium subscription, of course.

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Re: gigantic primitive awaiting new slippers
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2009, 01:14:28 PM »


Too many carbs and salt.

Well McDougall is a vegan nut doctor. You won't see a lot of proteins, but I agree, it's very carb rich and not even the complex variety and this for a guy who doesn't do much of anything. I probably wouldn't insert that many simple carbs in my diet and workout 2-3 hours most days of the week. Go figure.