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Current Events => Economics => Topic started by: Chump on July 30, 2009, 09:51:05 AM

Title: Failed Treasury Auction
Post by: Chump on July 30, 2009, 09:51:05 AM
5-years got hammered.  No one wants them.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/32201716

Better analysis here:

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1267-US-5yr-Bond-Auction-Effectively-FAILS.html

This is a warning folks.  The rest of the world is quickly losing the ability to finance our way of life.  Additionally, I see no plans by the current administration to rein in spending.  In fact, the plans I see amount to ballooning our deficit spending to levels never seen before.

We'll see how the 7, 10, and 30 years go in the next few days.  But, consider this.  The total offering is 235 billion dollars in one week.  Yes, a quarter of a trillion in a week.  There is no reason for an auction that large except in anticipation of greater difficulty borrowing in the future.  And yet, we're already seeing tremendous difficulty borrowing NOW, on 5-YEAR BONDS.  Wait until people laugh off the 30-year notes.

We are looking at a detonation in our financial markets, and the results of this auction only amount to the fuse being lit.

Get your supplies and plans in order.  You owe it to yourself and your family to be prepared.
Title: Re: Failed Treasury Auction
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on July 30, 2009, 09:56:07 AM
Different and much less alarmist interpretations are possible.  For instance, nobody is going to want to be holding long-term bonds issued at record low interest rates when inflationary pressures come into play as the economy recovers, so this could just as validly be taken as a positive indicator for equities.  Equity markets do seem to be going apeshit today.
Title: Re: Failed Treasury Auction
Post by: Chump on July 30, 2009, 10:01:55 AM
Which has a lot to do with the dollar getting hammered recently.

And 5-year bonds are not long-term.  Of course the 30-year notes will get laughed at, but the yields are going parabolic at this point.  In short, we've run out of other people's money.  If this course continues (and I don't see how it couldn't) interest rates on our debt will skyrocket, essentially causing an exponential cost increase in our debt financing, i.e. BOOM.
Title: Re: Failed Treasury Auction
Post by: Chump on July 30, 2009, 10:43:55 AM
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fed-buys-65-billion-in-treasurys-2009-07-30-117190
Title: Re: Failed Treasury Auction
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on July 30, 2009, 10:58:54 AM
And 5-year bonds are not long-term. 

Everything is relative.  5 years is 2-1/2 lifetimes in an inflationary economy.
Title: Re: Failed Treasury Auction
Post by: Chump on July 30, 2009, 11:54:27 AM
Everything is relative.  5 years is 2-1/2 lifetimes in an inflationary economy.

Granted.

At this point, however, let's consider that inflationary fears are lowering demand for Treasuries.  So...yields on the notes and bonds has to rise accordingly.  Which means we have to offer far more.  Which means yields have to rise.  Which means we have to offer far more.

At some point we smash face first into a wall.

But then again, I'm a deflationary guy.  Same wall, different direction.
Title: Re: Failed Treasury Auction
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on July 30, 2009, 01:23:55 PM
At this point, however, let's consider that inflationary fears are lowering demand for Treasuries.  So...yields on the notes and bonds has to rise accordingly.  Which means we have to offer far more.  Which means yields have to rise.  Which means we have to offer far more.

Oh yeah, it's a big problem, it's just a different big problem.
Title: Re: Failed Treasury Auction
Post by: JohnnyReb on July 31, 2009, 10:21:58 AM
Look on the bright side, I'll be dead soon............WAIT A DAMN MINUTE!!!!!! That ain't bright.
Title: Re: Failed Treasury Auction
Post by: Chris_ on July 31, 2009, 11:49:54 AM
Look on the bright side, I'll be dead soon............WAIT A DAMN MINUTE!!!!!! That ain't bright.

Of course it is JR.  Haven't you ever heard of "the light" all good conservatives are supposed to go into when they take up worm feeding as a hobby?  What do you mean it isn't bright?
Title: Re: Failed Treasury Auction
Post by: DULurkster on August 02, 2009, 02:09:08 AM
Look on the bright side, I'll be dead soon............WAIT A DAMN MINUTE!!!!!! That ain't bright.

 :exactly:
Title: Re: Failed Treasury Auction
Post by: Chump on August 06, 2009, 07:53:39 PM
http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/fed-buys-last-weeks-treasury-auction/23880

More good news.

We've hit the wall.
Title: Re: Failed Treasury Auction
Post by: BadCat on August 07, 2009, 02:40:43 PM
So basically, we are buying our own debt with money we don't have?
Title: Re: Failed Treasury Auction
Post by: rich_t on August 07, 2009, 02:48:29 PM
So basically, we are buying our own debt with money we don't have?

Like this is a new thing?
Title: Re: Failed Treasury Auction
Post by: Chris_ on August 07, 2009, 04:19:46 PM
Like this is a new thing?

It's a recent thing.  Well for us, anyway.  Zimbabwe and the old Weimar Republic of Germany can tell you what happens after a country does something this stupid with it's own currency.