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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #50 on: September 17, 2013, 09:10:21 AM »
Would someone explain why the killer and other employees like him aren't put through tighter screenings when entering the complex?  Just show his badge and stroll in without passing through a metal detector or having his bags searched?


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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #51 on: September 17, 2013, 09:19:54 AM »
Would someone explain why the killer and other employees like him aren't put through tighter screenings when entering the complex?  Just show his badge and stroll in without passing through a metal detector or having his bags searched?



Because, for all intents and purposes, DoD as a whole puts rent-a-cops on gate duty.  In reality though, this guy probably badged through an electronically-controlled turnstyle and never disturbed the somnolence of the guard at that gate.
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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2013, 10:37:04 AM »
Because, for all intents and purposes, DoD as a whole puts rent-a-cops on gate duty.  In reality though, this guy probably badged through an electronically-controlled turnstyle and never disturbed the somnolence of the guard at that gate.

That's my point. Lax security seems to be a major issue.  At the S8G training facility in Ballston Spa, we had to go through a metal detector and all bags were scanned.  That was for everyone, students and the trainers, both civilian and military. I think everyone there had passed a background check, too.

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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2013, 10:41:23 AM »
Because, for all intents and purposes, DoD as a whole puts rent-a-cops on gate duty.  In reality though, this guy probably badged through an electronically-controlled turnstyle and never disturbed the somnolence of the guard at that gate.

I would think any military related installation would be heavily secured period. No matter what. People would have to go through multiple security levels. Since, this is the military, I would expect all soldiers would carry guns and military bases would not be gun free. I know that changed under Clinton.

Getting a security clearance would be very difficult and anyone with an arrest would have a harder time or not even get it, like Aaron Alexis. I know he does not have a criminal record despite being arrest a couple of times. I have to wonder how Alexis got the security clearance.
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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #54 on: September 17, 2013, 10:56:51 AM »
I would think any military related installation would be heavily secured period. People would have to go through multiple security levels.

I would think getting a security clearance would be very difficult and anyone with an arrest would not get it, like Aaron Alexis. I know he does not have a criminal record despite being arrest a couple of times.

Have yourself another think, Ptarmy. :cheersmate:

When I worked for the Naval Shipyard, so long as I had my badge out and displayed properly, and I looked like I knew where I was and what I was doing, I could get just about anywhere on base. Heck, even earlier than that, when I was but a wee pizza delivery lad, I was only one gate away from the actual ballistic missile subs at the Bangor Submarine Base most of the time. Were I of nefarious character :whistling: I could have taken advantage of the security situation in any number of ways, and I would have been far too deep inside the perimeter to have been stopped in any kind of timely manner. 

This is not to say that the security folks aren't on top of things: while I was at the shipyard, they disappeared at least one scuba diver a month into the bowels of NID for being caught inside the security perimeter (usually with a camera, and usually just after a major combatant had come in for a refit) as one example where they were on top of things.  All I'm saying is that most CONUS military bases are far to big an area for the security force regularly and normally employed on those bases to do anything but respond after the fact.
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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #55 on: September 17, 2013, 11:27:02 AM »
Sounds like there was a breakdown all the way through.  The shooter has recently been treated for PTSD, paranoia, hearing things and he was a heavy drinker.  He had recently become a Buddhist and his friends were from Thailand.  No American friends.  He was also addicted to video war games.

His MO is starting to have a lot of similarities to all the other recent wacked out mass murderers.

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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #56 on: September 17, 2013, 12:58:19 PM »
Because, for all intents and purposes, DoD as a whole puts rent-a-cops on gate duty.  In reality though, this guy probably badged through an electronically-controlled turnstyle and never disturbed the somnolence of the guard at that gate.

That and the fact the shooter is black.  Like with Nidal...there is a fear of raising any red flags against anyone of color for fear of being branded a racist and having your career ended by a baseless EO complaint.

The current culture of "equality" and what does and doesn't justify an EO complaint in the military has become so hair trigger people are scared to do the right thing.
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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #57 on: September 17, 2013, 03:01:30 PM »
Have yourself another think, Ptarmy. :cheersmate:

When I worked for the Naval Shipyard, so long as I had my badge out and displayed properly, and I looked like I knew where I was and what I was doing, I could get just about anywhere on base. Heck, even earlier than that, when I was but a wee pizza delivery lad, I was only one gate away from the actual ballistic missile subs at the Bangor Submarine Base most of the time. Were I of nefarious character :whistling: I could have taken advantage of the security situation in any number of ways, and I would have been far too deep inside the perimeter to have been stopped in any kind of timely manner. 

This is not to say that the security folks aren't on top of things: while I was at the shipyard, they disappeared at least one scuba diver a month into the bowels of NID for being caught inside the security perimeter (usually with a camera, and usually just after a major combatant had come in for a refit) as one example where they were on top of things.  All I'm saying is that most CONUS military bases are far to big an area for the security force regularly and normally employed on those bases to do anything but respond after the fact.


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I have been on a fair number of SY's and Bases over the years and have seen security change dramatically.  CAC's were just coming in as I was leaving in 07 as was NMCI. The company this guy worked for was most likely a sub contractor under the NMCI umbrella.  After the Lebanon bombing they began to tighten things up considerably in terms of parking near buildings.  After 9/11 things got even tighter.  I was at Puget just a few months before 9/11.  CAC cards were the next new magic bullet in DATA security. (or at least that was the line pushed by NAVSEA and the company selling the goods).  Yeah right.  Next it will be biometrics.  And it will be billed as better than sliced bread, can't fail technology, so simple to use even my dear Aunt Sally couldn't mess up.

Washington Naval Base IIRC was a rehab project because NAVSEA was spending boatloads of cash on rented space.  I seem to recall there was some real resistance at being forced out of the comfortable 'burbs into the belly of the DC Beast.  Then it became cool to be urban again as long as you were out of DC before dark.

Also, there is considerable difference between a Base which does refueling and one that just does planning.  Big difference.  During refueling you get Jarheads with fully automatic M16's or whatever the current battle weapon and even the rent-a-cops know enough to freeze when some pimple faced kid holding one says freeze. 
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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #58 on: September 17, 2013, 07:23:30 PM »
Ain't this interesting!

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FRIEND: Navy Yard Shooter Liberal, Supported Obama

by John Nolte 17 Sep 2013, 1:50 PM PDT  1593 post a comment

Tuesday, on CNN's "The Lead with Jake Tapper," Michael Ritrovato spoke at length about his friend, suspected Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis. After expressing his condolences to the victims and their families, Ritrovato then expressed his shock over the actions of a man he described as being "like a brother to me" and a "good-natured guy."

Ritrovato went on to explain that two of them had a close relationship based in part on their differences, specifically race and politics. Alexis was black, Ritrovato is white. Ritrovato described himself as conservative and Alexis is "more of a liberal type" who supported Barack Obama:
 
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I would say things like, 'You know, you are my brother from another mother.' And he would say things like, 'You're my Italian mafia guy from New York.' So we had things we joked about: Aaron wasn't conservative like I am. He was more of a liberal type; he wasn't happy with the former [Bush] administration. He was more happy with this [the Obama] administration -- as far as presidential administrations.

The last two paragraphs of the story are here:  http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/17/Navy-Yard-Shooter-friend-Describes%20Alexis-as-liberal-Obama-fan

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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #59 on: September 17, 2013, 09:35:06 PM »
Ain't this interesting!


The last two paragraphs of the story are here:  http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/17/Navy-Yard-Shooter-friend-Describes%20Alexis-as-liberal-Obama-fan

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Not surprised. There is also this.

Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis was 'not happy with America,' friend says
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FORT WORTH, Texas — Aaron Alexis was so unhappy with his life in America — where he was beset by money woes and felt slighted as a veteran — that he was "ready to move out of the country" last year, a friend said Tuesday.

"He was tired of dealing with the government," said Kristi Suthamtewkal, whose husband owns the Thai Bowl Restaurant in Fort Worth, where Alexis worked in exchange for room and board.

But instead of leaving the U.S., the former Navy reservist relocated from Texas to Virginia, where an IT company called The Experts put him on a government contract at the Washington Navy Yard.
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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #61 on: September 17, 2013, 11:27:55 PM »
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Alexis is "more of a liberal type" who supported Barack Obama

suck it DUmmies.  He's one of yours with no ties to the NRA or TEA party.

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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #62 on: September 17, 2013, 11:50:13 PM »
Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

They ignored it because he was black and to not ignore the warning would have been racist.

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« Reply #63 on: September 17, 2013, 11:52:28 PM »
They ignored it because he was black and to not ignore the warning would have been racist.
Isn't that what the Army did with Hassan?

Yeah, that's what I thought.
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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #64 on: September 18, 2013, 12:33:13 AM »
Ain't this interesting!


The last two paragraphs of the story are here:  http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/17/Navy-Yard-Shooter-friend-Describes%20Alexis-as-liberal-Obama-fan

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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #65 on: September 18, 2013, 12:37:27 AM »
What's his DU name?

Other than the DainBramaged one, do we have any DUmmies who are AWOL from the Island?
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« Reply #66 on: September 18, 2013, 01:02:37 AM »
Other than the DainBramaged one, do we have any DUmmies who are AWOL from the Island?

Has One Strong Black Man or whatever his screen name is been seen lately?

What about Mr. Dorkio?
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« Reply #67 on: September 18, 2013, 11:30:40 AM »
There are reports that the shooter was unhappy with America. Perhaps if the dumb ass hadn't supported obama his view of America would have been a little brighter. :ownit:
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Re: Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #68 on: September 18, 2013, 12:28:44 PM »
There are reports that the shooter was unhappy with America. Perhaps if the dumb ass hadn't supported obama his view of America would have been a little brighter. :ownit:
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« Reply #69 on: September 18, 2013, 03:40:37 PM »
Who's up for another Bengazi-style cover-up? :thatsright: :banghead:

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Multiple sources are telling the BBC that a tactical response team ready to respond to Monday’s deadly shooting in Washington, D.C. was ordered to stand down by superiors. The heavily armed team was reportedly one of the first available to aid municipal officers on the scene.

The gunman, 34-year-old Aaron Alexis, went on to kill 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard.

The Capitol Police Department is reportedly pulling radio logs from Monday morning to investigate exactly what happened.

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The more this case develops, the more it stinks to high heaven, IMHO...
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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #70 on: September 18, 2013, 03:58:00 PM »
I had read another story about marine guards stationed there that had weapons, but no ammo. True or not, I don't know.  This administration is so corrupt that anything is possible.

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« Reply #71 on: September 18, 2013, 04:07:57 PM »
I had read another story about marine guards stationed there that had weapons, but no ammo. True or not, I don't know.  This administration is so corrupt that anything is possible.
if true, that is appalling. Even Barney Fife got to carry one bullet on him.
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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #72 on: September 19, 2013, 04:57:28 AM »
I have been away fishing and don't do the news when I do that. So it looks like another mental case libtard that had a neon warning sign on his head went on a shooting spree in yet another gun free zone!  Its becoming apparent that's the MO of these shootings. So we better cut mental health care and ban more guns. Yeah, that's the ticket!! :banghead:
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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #73 on: September 19, 2013, 09:41:20 AM »
I have been away fishing and don't do the news when I do that. So it looks like another mental case libtard that had a neon warning sign on his head went on a shooting spree in yet another gun free zone!  Its becoming apparent that's the MO of these shootings. So we better cut mental health care and SO WE CAN ban more guns. Yeah, that's the ticket!! :banghead:  :-)

Fixed it for ya....that is what I think is going on. And NO i did buy any tin foil of late. :-)
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Re: Police responding to multiple shooting at Navy Yard
« Reply #74 on: September 19, 2013, 10:21:17 AM »
Family recounts chilling airport encounter with Navy gunman
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EXCLUSIVE: An Alabama family recounted to FoxNews.com a chilling airport encounter they had last month with the man they believe went on to gun down 12 people at a Washington military facility, and said the confrontation was triggered by the hearty laugh of a 75-year-old matriarch.

“We were just laughing and talking and he came over and said we were laughing at him,” Rosalind Baugh told FoxNews.com, speaking of Aaron Alexis, the troubled former Navy Reservist and government contractor who went on a shooting spree in the Naval Sea Systems Command headquarters in southeast Washington Monday.

Since the shooting, in which Alexis was killed by police, several reports have surfaced about his anti-social behavior, mental problems and record of arrests for gun offenses. As soon as he was identified as the shooter, Baugh and other family members present at Norfolk Airport for the Aug. 4 incident have been reliving the frightening encounter daily.

That is a red flag right there.
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