Fugitive Snowden seeks asylum in Ecuador: foreign minister

[Bad Dog]

Interesting that we do have a Ecuador/US extradition treaty.

We also have one with Hong Kong.  Your point?

[Eupher]

Interesting that we do have a Ecuador/US extradition treaty.

Nice try, but if you'd read the document, you'd note that the crimes indicated therein do not specify "espionage" or "treason" or anything remotely along those lines. Embezzlement? Check. Abortion? Check. But espionage and treason? Ain't in the document, hon.

Go to the back of the line and try again.

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Nice try, but if you'd read the document, you'd note that the crimes indicated therein do not specify "espionage" or "treason" or anything remotely along those lines. Embezzlement? Check. Abortion? Check. But espionage and treason? Ain't in the document, hon.

Go to the back of the line and try again.

What do you think embezzlement of public property defines?

[DumbAss Tanker]

Bottom line--he's screwed.  In a manner of his own making.

True, but at this point he's an idiot if he actually ever does decide to come back here and face trial.  As far as Kerry and all the Seniletors and Congresscritters (On both sides) weeping huge hypocritical crocodile tears about other countries ignoring the 'Rule of law' for not turning him over, it's pretty obvious our hands aren't remarkably cleaner and they're tired of putting up with out bullshit about it.

[Eupher]

What do you think embezzlement of public property defines?

Like I said, keep trying. But go back to the end of the line first and wait your turn.

Again. 

[DumbAss Tanker]

What do you think embezzlement of public property defines?

It means he took a stapler with him...and possibly some other stuff, which the Government can neither confirm nor deny, at this point in time.  Doesn't have anything to do with espionage, treason, or classified material by nature of the charge, though.

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It means he took a stapler with him...and possibly some other stuff, which the Government can neither confirm nor deny, at this point in time.  Doesn't have anything to do with espionage, treason, or classified material by nature of the charge, though.

Theft of government property is in the arrest warrant

[DumbAss Tanker]

Theft of government property is in the arrest warrant

So?  Probably refers to a laptop and the hard drives, but the same charge covers anything all the way down to a stapler (Though to be a felony, it does have to add up to over $100 in value).  The charge still has Jack to do with treason or espionage, as you seem to think.

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So?  Probably refers to a laptop and the hard drives, but the same charge covers anything all the way down to a stapler (Though to be a felony, it does have to add up to over $100 in value).  The charge still has Jack to do with treason or espionage, as you seem to think.

The theft/embezzlement comment is under the context of enforcing a Ecuadorian extradiction warrant but interestingly political persecution is an out.  Though, the data theft falls under treason/espionage

[Bad Dog]

Theft of government property is in the arrest warrant

Ecuador has no intention of complying with the treaty bonehead.  They have refused to turn over Jullian Asswipe for rape so I don't think stapler theft is going to impress them.  You can dice mouse turds till the cows come home but, if they chose not to comply (like China) Kerry & Obummer are simply screwed. 

[Dori]

Sorry, CG6468, my quote feature was not working; I think a Tor browser issue.

just type the code "quote" what your quoting "/quote".  But in place of the " put the quote signs [ and ] around them. 

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just type the code "quote" what your quoting "/quote".  But in place of the " put the quote signs [ and ] around them. 

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Thanks

[DumbAss Tanker]

The theft/embezzlement comment is under the context of enforcing a Ecuadorian extradiction warrant but interestingly political persecution is an out.  Though, the data theft falls under treason/espionage

Asylum determinations (Which trump extraditions), here or anywhere else in the world, are not bound by what the country that wants a guy extradited claims he did.  There wouldn't be any point in them otherwise.

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Asylum determinations (Which trump extraditions), here or anywhere else in the world, are not bound by what the country that wants a guy extradited claims he did.  There wouldn't be any point in them otherwise.

I agree but politics trumps both.  Ecuador may not want to get into an extradition battle with the U.S. that could effect their trade.

[Eupher]

I agree but politics trumps both.  Ecuador may not want to get into an extradition battle with the U.S. that could effect their trade.

Ah, speculation is a wonderful thing, isn't it?

 

[DumbAss Tanker]

I agree but politics trumps both.  Ecuador may not want to get into an extradition battle with the U.S. that could effect their trade.

Now there's a great argument to prove what legally-principled, high-minded sonsabitches we are when our sovereign authority wants something changed that another sovereign authority did within its international legal rights.  I'm sure it'll be played back to us the next time we're over a barrel and try to make a humanitarian appeal to get our way on something, or grant asylum to a Russian or Chinese activist.

Seriously, getting him back is just an issue of retribution, whatever cats he had are completely out of the bag and have been for awhile.  There's nothing that's going to actually be improved by getting him back.  The only remaining purposes to putting the habeus grabbus on him now are to stop the PR bleeding for Obama and the NSA, and beat the crap out of him (In a legal sense).  Fox and the rest of the MSM are focused on how shameful it is that he doesn't turn himself in, which frankly he'd have to be a total moron to do, since the DOJ will devote literally-limitless resources to imprisoning him for the rest of his life, with the press baying for his blood (On the right, for the national security issue, and on the left more for embarassing Obama) rather than even pretending to show a whole picture, and no resources to defend himself. 

'Way too much is being made of this guy, he isn't actually important anymore, just another fugitive that better never set foot in the US again if he knows what's good for him.

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Now there's a great argument to prove what legally-principled, high-minded sonsabitches we are when our sovereign authority wants something changed that another sovereign authority did within its international legal rights.  I'm sure it'll be played back to us the next time we're over a barrel and try to make a humanitarian appeal to get our way on something, or grant asylum to a Russian or Chinese activist.

Seriously, getting him back is just an issue of retribution, whatever cats he had are completely out of the bag and have been for awhile.  There's nothing that's going to actually be improved by getting him back.  The only remaining purposes to putting the habeus grabbus on him now are to stop the PR bleeding for Obama and the NSA, and beat the crap out of him (In a legal sense).  Fox and the rest of the MSM are focused on how shameful it is that he doesn't turn himself in, which frankly he'd have to be a total moron to do, since the DOJ will devote literally-limitless resources to imprisoning him for the rest of his life, with the press baying for his blood (On the right, for the national security issue, and on the left more for embarassing Obama) rather than even pretending to show a whole picture, and no resources to defend himself. 

'Way too much is being made of this guy, he isn't actually important anymore, just another fugitive that better never set foot in the US again if he knows what's good for him.

I agree with your political assessment and I doubt there is the political will to do a snatch mission.  Though, I do think if he accidental dies from lead poisoning, this cat will have more than nine lives

[obumazombie]

Ecuador has no intention of complying with the treaty bonehead.  They have refused to turn over Jullian Asswipe for rape so I don't think stapler theft is going to impress them.  You can dice mouse turds till the cows come home but, if they chose not to comply (like China) Kerry & Obummer are simply screwed. 

I prefer tripping over my mouseturds.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I agree with your political assessment and I doubt there is the political will to do a snatch mission.  Though, I do think if he accidental dies from lead poisoning, this cat will have more than nine lives

He's not worth anything that justifies any covert efforts, dude.  The beans have all been spilled and his access is over.  He's a zero-value target, only an idiot like a journalist or Obama would see any point in throwing away black resources on him now.

[BlueStateSaint]

Here's a development:

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-edward-snowden-asylum-15-countries-20130701,0,1183893.story?track=rss

[Eupher]

Kinda looks like Snowden didn't think through this carefully enough.

[Dori]

Kinda looks like Snowden didn't think through this carefully enough.

I think Snowden is a tool, but whose?

 Has anyone besides me considered that maybe this was planned by someone inside our government and Russia? 

 

[Eupher]

I think Snowden is a tool, but whose?

 Has anyone besides me considered that maybe this was planned by someone inside our government and Russia? 

 

 

No. The idea of a 29-year-old kid who happens to be a computer whiz kid but who has access to all manner of top secret information is too stupid for even the federal government to contemplate and shove down our throats.

No. Snowden is up to his neck in his own excrement.

[obumazombie]

The most modern day definition of a useful idiot.

[Ptarmigan]

Iceland proposal would grant NSA leaker Snowden citizenship
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/05/iceland-proposal-would-grant-nsa-leaker-snowden-citizenship/

Icelandic lawmakers have introduced a proposal in Parliament that would grant immediate citizenship to National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden.

Ogmundur Jonasson, whose liberal Left-Green Party is backing the proposal along with the Pirate Party and Brighter Future Party, put the issue before the Judicial Affairs Committee Thursday, but the idea received minimal support.

Snowden is believed to be stuck in a Moscow airport transit area, seeking asylum from more than a dozen countries. At one point, he told the Guardian newspaper that he was inclined to seek asylum in a country that shared his values — and that "the nation that most encompasses this is Iceland."