Fugitive Snowden seeks asylum in Ecuador: foreign minister

[txradioguy]

(Reuters) - Fugitive former U.S. spy agency contractor Edward Snowden is seeking asylum in Ecuador, the Quito government said on Sunday, after Hong Kong let him leave its territory despite Washington's efforts to extradite him on espionage charges.

An aircraft believed to be carrying Snowden landed in Moscow, and the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks said in a statement he was "bound for the Republic of Ecuador via a safe route for the purposes of asylum".

Ecuadorean Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino, visiting Vietnam, tweeted: "The Government of Ecuador has received an asylum request from Edward J. #Snowden."

Ecuador is sheltering WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange at its London embassy, and Ecuador's ambassador to Russia said he expected to meet Snowden in Moscow on Sunday.

Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa has good ties with WikiLeaks and is in a politically confident mood after his recent landslide re-election.

Snowden's departure from Hong Kong, a former British colony that returned to China in 1997, is likely to be highly embarrassing for the administration of President Barack Obama. U.S. authorities had said only on Saturday they were optimistic Hong Kong would cooperate over Snowden, who revealed extensive U.S. government surveillance in the United States and abroad.

Earlier, a source at the Russian airline Aeroflot had said Snowden would fly on from Moscow within 24 hours to Cuba, although the source said he planned to go on to Venezuela.

Venezuela, Cuba and Ecuador are all members of the ALBA bloc, an alliance of leftist governments in Latin America that pride themselves on their "anti-imperialist" credentials.

Ecuadorean Ambassador Patricio Alberto Chavez Zavala told reporters at a Moscow airport hotel that he would hold talks with Snowden and Sarah Harrison, a WikiLeaks representative. "We're waiting for Sarah. We're going to talk to them," he said, without revealing what the discussion would cover.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/23/us-usa-security-flight-idUSBRE95M02H20130623

[Eupher]

We're supposed to believe that a stop in MOSCOW is supposed to be, oh hell, just sorta "on the way?"

 

[Bad Dog]

Obumbles is concerned and disappointed.

[txradioguy]

I guess this is just another sign of how much more the world respects us since 2009 right?

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We're supposed to believe that a stop in MOSCOW is supposed to be, oh hell, just sorta "on the way?"

 

The Moscow route is because Aeroflot is a state owned, whereas, other airlines could bow to political pressure and land in a deportation friendly country

[Eupher]

The Moscow route is because Aeroflot is a state owned, whereas, other airlines could bow to political pressure and land in a deportation friendly country

all the more reason why a flight on Aeroflot doesn't just "bow" to political pressure, but supplicates itself to it. Your point doesn't make sense in that light.

Now, if you'd like to tell me that Putin and his cronies just might sweeten Snowden's pot by a couple of stolen million dollars or rubles or dinars or Hong Kong dollars, in exchange for a brief stopover and just a little chat with Vlad and the boys, then I'd say you're on to something.

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all the more reason why a flight on Aeroflot doesn't just "bow" to political pressure, but supplicates itself to it. Your point doesn't make sense in that light.

Now, if you'd like to tell me that Putin and his cronies just might sweeten Snowden's pot by a couple of stolen million dollars or rubles or dinars or Hong Kong dollars, in exchange for a brief stopover and just a little chat with Vlad and the boys, then I'd say you're on to something.

Then I should clarify that Aeroflot answers only to the current government, whereas other airlines belong to a body that are subject to international agreements.

It is obvious that a deal was made between the Chinese and Putin, and to a lesser extent Ecuador

[Eupher]

Then I should clarify that Aeroflot answers only to the current government, whereas other airlines belong to a body that are subject to international agreements.

It is obvious that a deal was made between the Chinese and Putin, and to a lesser extent Ecuador

What kind of "international agreements" are you talking about? And which airlines?

Specifics, please.

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What kind of "international agreements" are you talking about? And which airlines?

Specifics, please.

I don't have time to detail but IIRC, it is called a Red Corner Notice

[Eupher]

I don't have time to detail but IIRC, it is called a Red Corner Notice

Okay, after several Googles, I'm seeing that Interpol's involved and it's essentially an international arrest warrant by Interpol to arrest and extradite an individual from one country to another.

I'm not seeing anything in there about airlines. And their policies. And how government controls or does not control airlines.

When you've got some time, please enlighten me.

[vesta111]

What kind of "international agreements" are you talking about? And which airlines?

Specifics, please.

Ding, ding, back of brain is jumping about because something just ain't right here.

What are we dealing with here, we got a weird one with Snowden, everything seems out of kilter.

 Like a bad B movie script this male without a High School Diploma, a GED he most likely received in the military, goes in 8-9 years to a job where he has access to top secret information ???? How on earth did he go from being a security guard to this big high technological expert ????

So far he has to our knowledge never married or has children.   We know nothing about his parents, dead or alive.   We do not know if Snowden is even his real name.

What possessed him to blow the whistle, can't be love of country as he knew he would never be a free man in the USA after he `put out the yell to the press.

WHO ARE YOU, WHERE DID YOU COME FROM AND WHAT KIND OF FUTURE DO YOU EXPECT TO HAVE ?

Why is China and Russia all so ready to help him?

Put him in the dead pool for sometime this year.

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Okay, after several Googles, I'm seeing that Interpol's involved and it's essentially an international arrest warrant by Interpol to arrest and extradite an individual from one country to another.

I'm not seeing anything in there about airlines. And their policies. And how government controls or does not control airlines.

When you've got some time, please enlighten me.

http://www.rednoticelawjournal.com/interpols-tools-and-practices/ -If you would like something to read

[Bad Dog]

http://www.rednoticelawjournal.com/interpols-tools-and-practices/ -If you would like something to read

I waded through that site & saw nothing about airlines either Eupher.
 

[NHSparky]

Bottom line--he's screwed.  In a manner of his own making.

[Bad Dog]

Bottom line--he's screwed.  In a manner of his own making.

Well, Ecuador is a socialist paradise so, he's got that going for him.

[txradioguy]

Well, Ecuador is a socialist paradise so, he's got that going for him.

Ecuador also granted Julian Assange asylum.  No surprise they're gonna let Snowden do the same thing. 

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What kind of "international agreements" are you talking about? And which airlines?

Specifics, please.

"The United States continued efforts to prevent Snowden from gaining asylum. It warned Western Hemisphere nations that Snowden "should not be allowed to proceed in any further international travel, other than is necessary to return him to the United States," a State Department official said...U.S. sources familiar with the issue said Washington had revoked Snowden's U.S. passport. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said revoking the passport of someone under a felony arrest warrant was routine and does not affect citizenship status."  http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/23/us-usa-security-flight-idUSBRE95M02H20130623


But at least as a transit point, Russia was likely a reliable bet. It has no extradition treaty with Washington" http://world.time.com/2013/06/23/russian-hospitality-why-snowden-picked-moscow-as-his-transit-point/

The international warrant is executed by Interpol; the site I linked to gave a case example of travel issues.  Julian Assange is the subject of a red warrant and the member counties are listed here  

[cmypay]

I think I am confused. The State Department has revoked Snowden's passport while he is in a country that has no extradition with the United States? Washington WANTS him to stay in Moscow? 

[CG6468]

here, please use the quote feature.

[Eupher]

http://www.rednoticelawjournal.com/interpols-tools-and-practices/ -If you would like something to read

So what's your deal, here?

Why would you make some weird assertion about governments and airlines and red notice and interpol and then utterly fail to prove your point?

Do you normally make a practice out of talking out of your ass?

Believe me, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I do it sometimes too. But at least you know when I'm talking out of my ass. You, on the other hand, cloak your bullshit with half-truths and obfuscation.

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I think I am confused. The State Department has revoked Snowden's passport while he is in a country that has no extradition with the United States? Washington WANTS him to stay in Moscow? 

The State Department revoked his passport because in theory, no one can travel without; ergo, the government was preventing Snowden from exiting Hong Kong.  Diplomatically, the US informed Hong Kong about Snowden's
 wanted status and they slow-played the request by stating the paperwork was not in order.

Snowden must either have left the country with his 'invalid' passport or possibly the Ecuadorians issued a new passport. -an assumption

Airlines are not independent governing bodies and are subject to their country's rules. I don't understand why this is confusing as we have had many examples of this authority since 9-11.  There is not an 'international waters' type of understanding with respect to their licensing.   

Sorry, CG6468, my quote feature was not working; I think a Tor browser issue.





 

[CG6468]

Sorry, CG6468, my quote feature was not working; I think a Tor browser issue.

Ok, it just makes things simpler to decipher. TOR browser? What's that?

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Ok, it just makes things simpler to decipher. TOR browser? What's that?

It's software for enabling online anonymity and It interferes when I dual 

[Bad Dog]

The Moscow route is because Aeroflot is a state owned, whereas, other airlines could bow to political pressure and land in a deportation friendly country

This is what you said.  When pressed for examples you spouted some kind of "Red Dawn" code and sent us to links that had nothing to do with airlines. Unless there is a flight safety issue, airlines will land at the airport they filed to.  INTERPOL has no authority to interfere with any commercial flight.

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Interesting that we do have a Ecuador/US extradition treaty.