Dream Act Passes House

[Allentownjake]

I doubt it will go anywhere in the Senate..With that being said..

The 'Lame Duck' period needs to be ended, by moving the elections to the beginning of the year. November 2nd made sense when it would take weeks to move a newly elected person to Washington from across the country, but no longer. Now the lame duck sessions have become a period of vengeance voting.

Up to 1933 the President took office in March after November.  Mostly because it took that long prior to the telephone to get a cabinet together.

New congressional critters do need a period to adjust to being a congressman.  Hiring staff, being briefed on the rules of the House, being assigned to committee, etc.

[DLR Pyro]

I heard as well that the 60 votes aren't there.  We shall see.  What would make this slightly more palatable would be to remove the college and require the military service.  . 

Sorry, but I don't want illegal aliens serving in my Military.

[Eupher]

Up to 1933 the President took office in March after November.  Mostly because it took that long prior to the telephone to get a cabinet together.

New congressional critters do need a period to adjust to being a congressman.  Hiring staff, being briefed on the rules of the House, being assigned to committee, etc.

In GWB's book Decision Points, he mentioned he had 38 days to put together his cabinet after the Florida goatrope in which both candidates contested the results going all the up to SCOTUS. I seem to recall he did okay, though he admits he never really got along with Paul O'Neill.

I do agree that the n00bs need some time to get acclimated.

[Allentownjake]

In GWB's book Decision Points, he mentioned he had 38 days to put together his cabinet after the Florida goatrope in which both candidates contested the results going all the up to SCOTUS. I seem to recall he did okay, though he admits he never really got along with Paul O'Neill.

I do agree that the n00bs need some time to get acclimated.

Yes, and try doing that without email or a telephone or a functioning highway system.

They could probably seat them in Mid December.  There are two Holidays however that people like to take between the election and January.

[Allentownjake]

Of course 100 years ago, congressional offices probably consisted of a secretary and the congressman.

That was when they did quaint things like write legislation themselves and read legislation before passing it.

For some reason they wrote less legislation and the legislation was shorter and easier to understand back than.

[debk]

In GWB's book Decision Points, he mentioned he had 38 days to put together his cabinet after the Florida goatrope in which both candidates contested the results going all the up to SCOTUS. I seem to recall he did okay, though he admits he never really got along with Paul O'Neill.

I do agree that the n00bs need some time to get acclimated.

Has Obama ever completely filled all the Cabinet positions?  Last I heard anything about it, he had all those "czars" instead, because they didn't need congressional approval.

[Eupher]

Yes, and try doing that without email or a telephone or a functioning highway system.

They could probably seat them in Mid December.  There are two Holidays however that people like to take between the election and January.

More than that when you consider Hanukkah, which the House recognizes, on Dec. 1.

I think the overall point is, there is probably little justification to hold an inauguration 2.5 months after an election in this day and age of instant communication. If Bush can do it, so can everybody else.

Do the noobs need almost two months to go through their "in-processing"? Not too sure about that - that may be excessive as well. Get these Congressshits to work immediately.

[franksolich]

Of course 100 years ago, congressional offices probably consisted of a secretary and the congressman.

That was when they did quaint things like write legislation themselves and read legislation before passing it.

For some reason they wrote less legislation and the legislation was shorter and easier to understand back than.

In The Making of the President 1960, the author Theodore White noted that the presidential campaign that year couldn't get underway until after Labor Day, because Congress was then in session until late August (after which it ended for the rest of the year), and everybody, including the presidential candidates, were too busy with legislation.

My, how times have changed.

[Eupher]

Has Obama ever completely filled all the Cabinet positions?  Last I heard anything about it, he had all those "czars" instead, because they didn't need congressional approval.

Looks like it, according to Wiki.

[Eupher]

Well?  Looks like this is done.

12/6/2010:
Motion to proceed to consideration of measure withdrawn in Senate. (consideration: CR S8552)

Hope this is the original, appears to be from Thomas.gov


http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/thomas (Search #9)

Linkee no workee

[Chris_]

S3992

[Godot showed up]

Who withdrew it? Dopey Reid himself? It takes 12 votes to reconsider.

[Allentownjake]

In The Making of the President 1960, the author Theodore White noted that the presidential campaign that year couldn't get underway until after Labor Day, because Congress was then in session until late August (after which it ended for the rest of the year), and everybody, including the presidential candidates, were too busy with legislation.

My, how times have changed.

Well a congressman/woman who hoped to get re-elected in those days had to go to every single function in the community from September to November.

That generation wouldn't feel too comfortable picking their representative based on TV commercials.

[Evil_Conservative]

So.... are we still waiting for this to pass the senate?  I am not turning on C-SPAN because I'd end up throwing my remote through the TV.

Gosh, if unemployment is this bad, just imagine if we let all the illegal immigrants become citizens.  It's not like jobs are magically going to appear.

[Eupher]

So.... are we still waiting for this to pass the senate?  I am not turning on C-SPAN because I'd end up throwing my remote through the TV.

Gosh, if unemployment is this bad, just imagine if we let all the illegal immigrants become citizens.  It's not like jobs are magically going to appear.

This is what the entry says:

12/6/2010:
Motion to proceed to consideration of measure withdrawn in Senate. (consideration: CR S8552)

That looks like it's been tabled for now. Picked up in the new Congress? Maybe. Or simply left to die right where it is.

[Evil_Conservative]

If it's picked up for the new Congress, then it's a dead bill...  or it BETTER be anyway.

[cavegal]

Troubling,  just wrong giving up our borders like this.

[ConservativeMobster]

Linkee no workee

Maybe cuz I removed it  

Sorry, I can't figure that bill out.  Too many of the damn things and I thought maybe I had the wrong one.

This is what Thomas has:

ALL ACTIONS:
11/30/2010:
Introduced in the Senate. Read the first time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under Read the First Time. (text of measure as introduced: CR S8301-8304)
12/1/2010:
Read the second time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 663.
12/6/2010:
Motion to proceed to consideration of measure made in Senate. (consideration: CR S8552)
12/6/2010:
Cloture motion on the motion to proceed to the bill presented in Senate. (consideration: CR S8552; text: CR S8552)
12/6/2010:
Motion to proceed to consideration of measure withdrawn in Senate. (consideration: CR S8552)

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Damn, 2 modifies in 1 post...I'm over it.  Thanks Eupher!

[Eupher]

Maybe cuz I removed it  

Sorry, I can't figure that bill out.  Too many of the damn things and I thought maybe I had the wrong one.

This is what Thomas has:

ALL ACTIONS:
11/30/2010:
Introduced in the Senate. Read the first time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under Read the First Time. (text of measure as introduced: CR S8301-8304)
12/1/2010:
Read the second time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 663.
12/6/2010:
Motion to proceed to consideration of measure made in Senate. (consideration: CR S8552)
12/6/2010:
Cloture motion on the motion to proceed to the bill presented in Senate. (consideration: CR S8552; text: CR S8552)
12/6/2010:
Motion to proceed to consideration of measure withdrawn in Senate. (consideration: CR S8552)

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Damn, 2 modifies in 1 post...I'm over it.  Thanks Eupher!

No prob. Chris picked up the link in Reply #35 anyway. It's all good. 

[ConservativeMobster]

yeah, chris's linkee no workee either   

is it typical to give these bills different #'s  while they add/modify or eff it up? 

[NHSparky]

Well a congressman/woman who hoped to get re-elected in those days had to go to every single function in the community from September to November.

That generation wouldn't feel too comfortable picking their representative based on TV commercials.

Why not?  They elected Kennedy based on his performance in a televised debate.  Despite the fact that Nixon handed JFK his head, the fact that Nixon LOOKED worse (including the infamous sweating) held sway with a lot of voters.

Nixon was leading in the polls before that debate.  Afterwards, the momentum swung to Kennedy.

[DumbAss Tanker]

According to CNN today, it's pretty close to being a dead letter for this Congress, though if the Senate adopted the House version verbatim (Which is deemed very improbable) before the clock runs out it would still go through.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/09/dream.act/index.html?hpt=T2

[Godot showed up]

According to CNN today, it's pretty close to being a dead letter for this Congress, though if the Senate adopted the House version verbatim (Which is deemed very improbable) before the clock runs out it would still go through.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/09/dream.act/index.html?hpt=T2

Why is that, Tank? It'd still have to get 60 votes.

[DLR Pyro]

That looks like it's been tabled for now. Picked up in the new Congress? Maybe. Or simply left to die right where it is.

Is there an expiration on the abomination the house passed yesterday or is this going to hang over our heads until the dems get the votes to pass it?

[DumbAss Tanker]

Not sure I understand your question, I believe what you are asking is exactly WHY it is deemed very improbable that the Senate would be willing to just adopt the House bill verbatim.  If they did, of course, there would be no need for a conference committee and subsequent revotes to approve the conferenced version.