Navy Secretary: Women 'soon' will serve on submarines

[thundley4]

I don't see these people...many of whom probably were ready to duck the draft themselves in Vietnam...bringing back something like that.

It wouldn't be for the defense of the country, merely to defend 0Bama.  I could see them doing that.  Remember 0Bama's desire for a civilian force as well armed and funded as the military.

[rich_t]

Y'all are forgetting something.

The Navy won't even need the boomers if Zero get's his way.  Ain't the moonbat wanting to get rid of all nuclear weapons?

Don't need any boomers if the sub launched nuke tipped missles are a thing of the past.

[rich_t]

And another thing.....

Will sub medics now have to be GYN qualified?  Will the dispensary now be required to stock midol or mono-stat?

[thundley4]

And another thing.....

Will sub medics now have to be GYN qualified?  Will the dispensary now be required to stock midol or mono-stat?

Or RU-486?

[rich_t]

Or RU-486?

Won't need that one.  We all know that saliors will follow orders not to have sex with their co-workers.

 

[TheSarge]

Won't need that one.  We all know that saliors will follow orders not to have sex with their co-workers.

 

Well it's been a smashing success on the carriers. 

[Crazy Horse]

Well it's been a smashing success on the carriers. 

The Oilers, Tenders, Repair Ships, Destroyers, Ammo barns, Gators, Frigates.....etc

Though I know I didn't need to say it

[Mustang]

Well, the main argument that I've heard against women working in combat roles such as infantry is for personal hygiene reasons.
From my understanding the submarine is a tough and unpleasant environment.

I think it's a recipe for disaster. Personally, you could never get me to stay on a ship for months at a time.

[NHSparky]

Well, the main argument that I've heard against women working in combat roles such as infantry is for personal hygiene reasons.
From my understanding the submarine is a tough and unpleasant environment.

I think it's a recipe for disaster. Personally, you could never get me to stay on a ship for months at a time.

It's as tough (tougher) mentally as it is physically.  It definitely takes a certain temperment, and I don't see a whole lot of women having that sort of disposition to want to seal themselves up in a steel neutron-powered sewer pipe for 70-80 days with no contact with the outside world.

Oh, and the first girl that dropped a TDU weight, can of flour, wrench, whatever...you get the idea.  Damage control?  Yeah, I'm gonna let little Susie non-qual get into full FFE gear and try to pull my unconscious ass out of an Engine Room fire.  Oh, and lugging shore power cables across the after brow and hooking those bad boys up in the trunk, to say nothing of having her try to reset the pressurizer startup heater breaker.  Ah, good times.

Like I said before, women can do most of the actual JOBS that we perform on submarines, but not in a submarine ENVIRONMENT.  That's the problem the CNO and SecNav don't quite get.

[Crazy Horse]

What happens if she well endowed...........that's a harassment waiting to happen in the passageways.

[Chris_]

My biggest question is one of pure logistics.

In a vessel where food is stowed in the corridors due to limited storage space for consumables, where the hell are the CNO and SecNav going to come up with storage space for 3-4 months (or 6 months) of feminine hygeine products?  Also, will SecNav be making house calls to clear the head when Susis non-qual flushes her tampon down and it jams in the pipe?

[NHSparky]

What happens if she well endowed...........that's a harassment waiting to happen in the passageways.

Shit, CH--you've been on them.  Even non-well-endowed goes "nut to butt" in the middle level passageway waiting for meals.  There's no shoulder-to-shoulder walkways anywhere on a boat.

[NHSparky]

My biggest question is one of pure logistics.

In a vessel where food is stowed in the corridors due to limited storage space for consumables, where the hell are the CNO and SecNav going to come up with storage space for 3-4 months (or 6 months) of feminine hygeine products?  Also, will SecNav be making house calls to clear the head when Susis non-qual flushes her tampon down and it jams in the pipe?

Surface ship sanitary systems are similar in that flushing anything other than digested food and small amounts of TP are a big no-no.  No, boys and girls, that stuff gets put in the regular trash and packed into TDU cans. 

Oh, did I mention that when we were on station we didn't flush a whole lot of trash sometimes, and ended up having to store it in the freezer?

[DumbAss Tanker]

As a submariner, let me state for the record:

NOT ONLY NO, BUT **** NO!!!

This is a bad idea on so many levels I don't even know where to start.  I'll pontificate on this later when I have time.

I have to agree with you.  I really don't have a problem with them being combat pilots if they have the killer mindset for it (I'm not convinced that even all our male combat pilots have a killer mindset instead of a 'Death technician' or just 'Stud' persona for that matter) and as long as they have no illusions whatsoever about what they're getting into if captured.  But unlike fly-by-wire airplanes, in some jobs upper body strength and muscle mass count for a hell of a lot in an emergency, and a lack of that in a crew member could be fatal for the whole boat in the wrong circumstances.

[Chris_]

Won't need that one.  We all know that saliors will follow orders not to have sex with their co-workers.

 

I am sure all the service members follow that rule right

[SilverOrchid]

Poor dudes, no escape during a lady's "special time" of the month. Will they install tampon depensters on the subs?  

My husband, who was a corpsman, had this to say.  

[TheSarge]

Poor dudes, no escape during a lady's "special time" of the month. Will they install tampon depensters on the subs?  

My husband, who was a corpsman, had this to say.  

Like has been said earlier...as usual with Libs they are putting the cart before the horse...making these big bold proclamations before they have actually studied whether it will work.

[Chris_]

Like has been said earlier...as usual with Libs they are putting the cart before the horse...making these big bold proclamations before they have actually studied whether it will work.

It is being shown that it is not going to work this administration is just becoming a clusterfu*k of mistakes

[rich_t]

It is being shown that it is not going to work this administration is just becoming a clusterfu*k of mistakes

I hope they keep it upa ll the way until 2012.  At that point you could run Mickey Mouse against him and Mickey would win.

[Chris_]

On the serious side; I've never agreed with having women in combat roles. It decreases readiness on the whole, for every reason that Sparky stated plus some.

Do you have stats/sources for this info?

[dutch508]

Do you have stats/sources for this info?

Why does the AFPT scores have a difference between the male and female soldiers if they are both able to do exactly the same things?

Female push-ups:

Age Group 17-21 Repetitions                   
42 push-ups is 100 points.

Male push-ups:

Age group 17-21 Repetitions
71 push-ups is 100 points.

Sit ups:

Female:78 100
Male:  78 100

2 mile run:

Female:15:36 minutes 100
Male:13:00 minutes 100

Height/Weight standards:

Age Group: 17–20
Male (% body fat): %20
Female (% body fat): %30

[docstew]

Why does the AFPT scores have a difference between the male and female soldiers if they are both able to do exactly the same things?

Female push-ups:

Age Group 17-21 Repetitions                   
42 push-ups is 100 points.
19 push-ups is the minimum

Male push-ups:

Age group 17-21 Repetitions
71 push-ups is 100 points.
42 push-ups is the minimum

Sit ups:

Female:78 100
Male:  78 100

2 mile run:

Female:15:36 minutes 100
18:54 is the minimum
Male:13:00 minutes 100
15:54 is the minimum
Height/Weight standards:

Age Group: 17–20
Male (allowed % body fat): %20
Female (allowed % body fat): %30

Added more info to complete the comparison.  Now why does a man have to do a certain amount, but a woman has to do less?  I know not all women are as strong as men, but if they are doing the same job, shouldn't they be graded on the same scale?

[Deuce]

Guys, guys, this is all easily solved by just building a new fleet of larger, more spacious subs.

[docstew]

Guys, guys, this is all easily solved by just building a new fleet of larger, more spacious subs.

I think you forgot this: /sarc

[Deuce]

I think you forgot this: /sarc

Nah, I figured I'd just buy stock in whichever company builds those enormous things.