Swiss to vote on $2,800 monthly income for all adults - DUmmies drool

[kraven]

Even I will concede that $50k/year is extraordinary and excessive, but that just shows how far the U.S. is out of line with all the rest of the liberal democracies in the world.  Personally, I'd be happy with a $1,000.00/month ($12k/year) minimum income.  No doubt, most of the posters on CC would consider this outrageous.  No surprise, really.  Heaven forbid, we might be giving a little money to people who are undeserving.



-Laelth

Huh? You don't "deserve" anything. If you want it, work for it. People don't owe you just for walking around and breathing air. Why should someone else work hard to give to someone else who chooses not to?

[98ZJUSMC]

Even I will concede that $50k/year is extraordinary and excessive, but that just shows how far the U.S. is out of line with all the rest of the liberal democracies in the world.  Personally, I'd be happy with a $1,000.00/month ($12k/year) minimum income.  No doubt, most of the posters on CC would consider this outrageous.  No surprise, really.  Heaven forbid, we might be giving a little money to people who are undeserving.



-Laelth

I'll just bet you would.  Tell me, what do the taxpayers get for that grand a month?  Increased Cheeto consumption?

liberal_at_heart (5,970 posts)
30. could you imagine the careers you would be free to pursue if you have a guaranteed income?

I could be a zoologist

Uh, huh......

[Carl]

Even I will concede that $50k/year is extraordinary and excessive, but that just shows how far the U.S. is out of line with all the rest of the liberal democracies in the world.  Personally, I'd be happy with a $1,000.00/month ($12k/year) minimum income.  No doubt, most of the posters on CC would consider this outrageous.  No surprise, really.  Heaven forbid, we might be giving a little money to people who are undeserving.



-Laelth

If you don`t earn it or win it through a legitimate contest by what logic do you feel someone "deserves" it?

[JohnnyReb]

Even I will concede that $50k/year is extraordinary and excessive, but that just shows how far the U.S. is out of line with all the rest of the liberal democracies in the world.  Personally, I'd be happy with a $1,000.00/month ($12k/year) minimum income.  No doubt, most of the posters on CC would consider this outrageous.  No surprise, really.  Heaven forbid, we might be giving a little money to people who are undeserving.



-Laelth

Being out of line with all the rest of the liberal democracies of the world is what made this country the strong great country that it once was.

[98ZJUSMC]

Being out of line with all the rest of the liberal democracies of the world is what made this country the strong great country that it once was.

   

[Chris_]

Even I will concede that $50k/year is extraordinary and excessive, but that just shows how far the U.S. is out of line with all the rest of the liberal democracies in the world.  Personally, I'd be happy with a $1,000.00/month ($12k/year) minimum income.

Yes, because America is so awful.  Giving every adult over the age of 18 a thousand dollars a year would cost roughly $250 billion per year.  The federal government already spends more than twice that on public welfare.

When does the gravy train stop?  Or would you be willing to trade one for the other?

[franksolich]

Being out of line with all the rest of the liberal democracies of the world is what made this country the strong great country that it once was.

Home run.  Touchdown.  Goal.  Basket.

[98ZJUSMC]

If my math is correct, that would work out to about $16/hour based on a 40 hour work week.  Imagine how many people would decide that work was unnecessary if they received that for sitting around breathing.

Why that would mean that the MCDonald's drive up boob that can't count to ten if sh/e/it took off it's shoes would be raking in $25.00/hr!!

I can't see how that wouldn't work.......   

That's OK, I'll get used to $15.99 Filet-O-Fishes.

[JohnnyReb]

Why that would mean that the MCDonald's drive up boob that can't count to ten if sh/e/it took off it's shoes would be raking in $25.00/hr!!

I can't see how that wouldn't work.......   

That's OK, I'll get used to $15.99 Filet-O-Fishes.

Just eat at home and then drive by the window and watch the DUmmies starve to death......it'll be a great learning experience for the kids.

[Laelth]

Yes, because America is so awful.  Giving every adult over the age of 18 a thousand dollars a year would cost roughly $250 billion per year.  The federal government already spends more than twice that on public welfare.

When does the gravy train stop?  Or would you be willing to trade one for the other?

Sorry, my freind, the United States is awesome--the greatest empire the world has ever seen, and I am proud of it. It could be better, admittedly, but that's another question altogether.  We spend less than all the other liberal democracies on the planet (as a percentage of GDP) protecting our poor people, and that's shameful, but it would be easy for us to guarantee every American citizen a minimum income of $12k/year.  Why aren't we doing that?



-Laelth

[kraven]

Sorry, my freind, the United States is awesome--the greatest empire the world has ever seen, and I am proud of it. It could be better, admittedly, but that's another question altogether.  We spend less than all the other liberal democracies on the planet (as a percentage of GDP) protecting our poor people, and that's shameful, but it would be easy for us to guarantee every American citizen a minimum income of $12k/year.  Why aren't we doing that?



-Laelth

Why SHOULD we do that? Jesus, I'm trying to wrap my brain around your thinking. If you want $1000 go do $1000 worth of work. WTH is stopping you? Why should anyone just *give* you money?

[Laelth]

Why SHOULD we do that? Jesus, I'm trying to wrap my brain around your thinking. If you want $1000 go do $1000 worth of work. WTH is stopping you? Why should anyone just *give* you money?

Why?  Because it's just.  Because it's good.  Because, deep down, we are good people and we don't want to see people suffer.

We can easily afford it.  Why shouldn't we do it?



-Laelth

[Chris_]

Why should the productive reward the uneducated and unskilled?  The greatest detriment to earning a living wage in this country is an entirely self-inflicted problem.

[ChuckJ]

liberal_at_heart (5,970 posts)
30. could you imagine the careers you would be free to pursue if you have a guaranteed income?

I could be a zoologist and not have to worry if my paycheck would be enough to support my family. People could pursue their passion and follow careers they felt would make a difference in this world instead of which ones pay the rent.

George...I mean liberal_at_heart...it would be best if you pretended to be an architect or marine biologist.

Watching the DUmp is so often like a TV sitcom. Well, except for the fact that the idiots on the sitcoms aren't usually as stupid as the DUmmies.

[JohnnyReb]

Why?  Because it's just.  Because it's good.  Because, deep down, we are good people and we don't want to see people suffer.

We can easily afford it.  Why shouldn't we do it?



-Laelth

I swear....this country is getting worse and worse.....damn people have gotten so damn lazy they won't even do their own stealing any more.....vote in some communist to do it for them and call it progressivism and "voting their own best interest".

[SarasotaRepub]

How do you manage to breath and post at the same time???

[Chris_]

George...I mean liberal_at_heart...it would be best if you pretended to be an architect or marine biologist.

Watching the DUmp is so often like a TV sitcom. Well, except for the fact that the idiots on the sitcoms aren't usually as stupid as the DUmmies.

He can be whatever the hell he wants but unless someone is willing to pay him to do it, it's not a job, it's a hobby.

[kraven]

Why?  Because it's just.  Because it's good.  Because, deep down, we are good people and we don't want to see people suffer.

We can easily afford it.  Why shouldn't we do it?



-Laelth

OMFG, because you are a grown ass adult that should be supporting yourself and responsible for yourself? For ****s sake, I don't even give my kids an "allowance" because I don't want to teach them they are entitled to someone else's money just because they exist. They have to earn spending money, through chores. Good people don't want to take what isn't theirs.

[Ralph Wiggum]

How do you manage to breath and post at the same time???

 

[Laelth]

OMFG, because you are a grown ass adult that should be supporting yourself and responsible for yourself? For ****s sake, I don't even give my kids an "allowance" because I don't want to teach them they are entitled to someone else's money just because they exist. They have to earn spending money, through chores. Good people don't want to take what isn't theirs.

I am happy for you that in your lifetime you have never had to depend on government largess.  50% of us, or more, are not in the same boat.  Good thing we had some, miniscule social safety net to protect us ... from you and those who think like you.

Stuff happens.  Most of the poor people I know became poor through no fault of their own.  They got unlucky.  It's that simple.  I hope you never get unlucky.  If you do, I hope your ideology bites you in the buttocks.

-Laelth

[Carl]

Laelth...where does this free money come from?

[JohnnyReb]

OMFG, because you are a grown ass adult that should be supporting yourself and responsible for yourself? For ****s sake, I don't even give my kids an "allowance" because I don't want to teach them they are entitled to someone else's money just because they exist. They have to earn spending money, through chores. Good people don't want to take what isn't theirs.

I didn't even get that....daddy said, "You put your feet under my table, you sleep in my bed, under my roof, there are things you have to do around here to keep getting that."

I guess it was about the same on any farm.

[Carl]

I am happy for you that in your lifetime you have never had to depend on government largess.  50% of us, or more, are not in the same boat.  Good thing we had some, miniscule social safety net to protect us ... from you and those who think like you.

Stuff happens.  Most of the poor people I know became poor through no fault of their own.  They got unlucky.  It's that simple.  I hope you never get unlucky.  If you do, I hope your ideology bites you in the buttocks.

-Laelth

Bull shit,ever hear the term you make your own luck?
It far and away describes the circumstances in both direction for the majority of the poor and successful that I know.

[Bad Dog]

I am happy for you that in your lifetime you have never had to depend on government largess.  50% of us, or more, are not in the same boat.  Good thing we had some, miniscule social safety net to protect us ... from you and those who think like you.

Stuff happens.  Most of the poor people I know became poor through no fault of their own.  They got unlucky.  It's that simple.  I hope you never get unlucky.  If you do, I hope your ideology bites you in the buttocks.

-Laelth

Bull.  Being a poor adult, in the vast majority of cases (Amber, Doug etc.), has to do with poor choices or plain old laziness.

[kraven]

I didn't even get that....daddy said, "You put your feet under my table, you sleep in my bed, under my roof, there are things you have to do around here to keep getting that."

I guess it was about the same on any farm.

Your Daddy is exactly right. There are things they have to do around here because they LIVE here. These are decided by their parents. Then there are additional things they may choose to do if they want extra money. There is always work to be done. 1 child is more ambitious than the others right now, because he wants a PS4. Should I be taking part of his money he earns through his efforts and redistribute it to the ones laying on their asses watching movies?