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yurbud  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jul-04-11 08:51 PM
Original message
Greek PM: ''The financial system is stronger than the will of the people.''
 We need to prove him and the bankers wrong.
Now we just have to figure out how to do it.

Is there still room for democratic redress when politicians are either so bribed or so threatened that they can ignore both the will and welfare of their own people?

 
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This thread begins benign but progresses to total anarchy.

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socialist_n_TN  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-04-11 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. Not just Greece. Greece today, tomorrow us
 Make no mistake, capitalism will NOT stop at the borders of Greece. Or Spain, Portugal, Italy or Ireland. They'll be here with this shit in no more than two years.

So all these socialist countries are miserable failures but somehow its capitalism's fault.

This is the same shit we heard during the collapse of the USSR: It's America's fault!

NEWS FLASH: If it were a superior system it would have prevailed. At the height of the Cold War the West had increased standards of living, eonomic growth including increased government tax receipts while the Soviets were standing in -20^oF for toilet paper that was nothing to write home about because you could write home on the toilet paper.

If you want to prove how awesome socialism is feel free to try it...with your own money

The Big Vetolski (101 posts)      Mon Jul-04-11 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. I live in Cleveland. About 140 cops were just laid off thanks to the
 budget cuts of Governor John Kasich...

But cops beat-up on brown people and arrest you for smoking Gaia's beauty.

Or so I'm told at DU.

DJ13  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-04-11 08:57 PM
Response to Original message
6. If the financial system is stronger why do they always need saving?

 

RandomThoughts  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-04-11 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Your not seeing it correct.
 Edited on Mon Jul-04-11 09:05 PM by RandomThoughts
They believe that when they do get bailed out, that is them being stronger.

They believe the effect defines what is right.

So becuase a banking system gets a bail out, and pays bonuses, they say they are justified to do what they want.

The bailout of failure, instead of correcting the problems of consolidations, is there claim to victory.

From that they have to be destroyed to be helped, but I don't do that.


So if they mess up, and get bailed out, they say they were right. Proven by being bailed out. Only there destruction would get them to change anything. Those are the burn outs, where kindness can not help them, becuase they think kindness is people being made to serve them by them being stronger or right or better.

And kind action done to them, in there perspective, is them calling themselves winners and the actions of people helping them losers.

It is the world of if you can take it, you should take it.

No morals, no right and wrong, only what you can get away with, defining if you should. If you can steal, then you should steal is the doctrine. Some even base that as what they think 'knowledge of good an evil' is.

If you can do it, then you should, becuase they believe the ability to do something is it being allowed to be done. That is how they think.

First, you cunning stunt, you can't even figure out there/their/they're

Second, what you're describing is a free-market...a.k.a. capitalism

Even an idiot like Idiot_n_TN understands that:

socialist_n_TN  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-04-11 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. What you're defining is the SYSTEM of capitalism
 The dictatorship of capital.

So the corollary is: Socialism is the funding of failure

girl gone mad (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-04-11 09:21 PM
Response to Original message
11. The Greek people will not pay any more. ...

If they could pay their own money they wouldn't be needing money from Germany and France.

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jul-04-11 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. Yes, the Chicago boys are slowly loosing their grip
 on the IMF.. but too slowly.

They are going back to roots, keynes, who was Keynes? The guy behinds the economics of the new deal.

Public spending to encourage private... well it works.  

It's "losing" not "loosing"

And you know who comes from Chicago?

Ayers and Obama



And on it goes.

[GOBUCKS]

This is the same shit we heard during the collapse of the USSR: It's America's fault!

Actually, that was the fault of President Ronald W. Reagan, acting on behalf of  America and the people imprisoned by socialism.

the Soviets were standing in -20oF for toilet paper

Unfortunately, we heard yesterday they're doing that now in the People's Republic of New York, another failed socialist state.
At least it's warmer there.

[true_blood]

Again, just showing how much of a failure socialism is and the Countries that try it.

[dandi]

I'd be willing to bet that what the PM meant by that statement is totally different than how the moonbats are playing it up.

He probably meant that the underpinnings of their economy are strong and with the right remedies can regain its footing, but the people lack the will to face the needed sacrifices to make it solvent again.

But you'll sooner get blood from a stone than honesty from a DUmmy.

[USA4ME]

nadinbrzezinski
 
Yes, the Chicago boys are slowly loosing their grip on the IMF.. but too slowly.

They are going back to roots, keynes, who was Keynes? The guy behinds the economics of the new deal.

Public spending to encourage private... well it works.

This has nothing to do with Milton Friedman or his brand of economics, you dolt.  There is no public spending to be had in Greece.  Public spending is why they are where they are now.  Greece is a prime example of what happens when Keynesian economics reaches its fruition, when gov't social programs go broke and you have to take the people's goodies away because there's no money left.

This is why economics threads on Skin's island are so funny. 

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[GOBUCKS]

nadinbrzezinski
Yes, the Chicago boys are slowly loosing their grip on the IMF

DUmb bitch will never learn the difference between "loose" and "lose".
There's a better chance she'll learn the definition of "parenteral".

[DumbAss Tanker]

yurbud  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jul-04-11 08:51 PM
Original message
...Is there still room for democratic redress when politicians are either so bribed or so threatened that they can ignore both the will

The 'Will' is one thing, in this case it's a desire for endless benefits, without a care about revenues to support them, like the 'Everflowing bowl' of the ancient Celts...

and welfare of their own people?

Now their welfare, that's an entirely different thing than just complying with the willful desires of the most boisterous and aggressive members of the mob.