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Offline formerlurker

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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #75 on: June 20, 2010, 02:20:22 PM »
Quote from: bkg on June 20, 2010, 01:15:17 PM
Hasn't he done that already with EO's?

Which ones are you referring to?
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #76 on: June 20, 2010, 04:40:33 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on June 20, 2010, 08:14:07 AM
Go ahead and try it.  It'd be like the Executive Branch trying to void laws which have already been passed and upheld by the Judicial Branch.  He'd get his crank stomped on so fast it wouldn't be funny.

doubtful....
the MSM will never report the action, sweeping it under the rug.
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #77 on: June 20, 2010, 04:54:41 PM »
Quote from: bkg on June 20, 2010, 01:15:17 PM
Hasn't he done that already with EO's?

Please state where this has happened.
The executive can take an adversarial position to a state law and challenge it in the judicial system.
They can attempt to strong arm a state with the usual means,denying funding for XYZ but I am not familiar with any President ever attempting to negate a state law by fiat.

If I am wrong will admit so.
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #78 on: June 20, 2010, 05:23:30 PM »
Quote from: Pat on June 20, 2010, 04:40:33 PM
doubtful....
the MSM will never report the action, sweeping it under the rug.

The state isn't exactly going to sit idle while it happens.
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #79 on: June 20, 2010, 05:43:22 PM »
Now that would depend on how the state is bribed.
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #80 on: June 20, 2010, 05:52:43 PM »
Quote from: Pat on June 20, 2010, 05:43:22 PM
Now that would depend on how the state is bribed.

Give me examples of EO that superseded state law, and then the bribe that silenced the state.

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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #81 on: June 20, 2010, 06:01:00 PM »
I have no data to back my assertion. BUT, how many things have happened with this admin that are new ground.
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #82 on: June 20, 2010, 06:06:35 PM »
Quote from: Pat on June 20, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
I have no data to back my assertion. BUT, how many things have happened with this admin that are new ground.


Did I log onto the DU by mistake??


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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #83 on: June 20, 2010, 06:10:34 PM »
Quiter :(
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #84 on: June 20, 2010, 06:14:46 PM »
Quote from: Pat on June 20, 2010, 06:10:34 PM
Quiter :(

I get really annoyed by the chicken little assertions made that are  just parroting of other listservs/forums.  No one fact checks or does any due diligence to formulate their own opinions.  They just wash, rinse and repeat others' nonsense.

If there is an EO that supersedes state law, I honestly would like to see it.   I have not heard of any such thing being done, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been attempted.   I just want proof.  
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #85 on: June 20, 2010, 07:08:17 PM »
I'm going to throw my pitiful .02 cents in here. I agree that it all starts this November. All Obammy is doing right now is knocking the moss off the stone because Baby it's starting to roll.
Like Sparky hit on briefly the GOP is going to win in November and they are going to win big. Even the Dims know they had their chance and have royally screwed the pooch, the smarter ones are running away or laying low by not running at all. A large D after your name on TV has become toxic
 
The way I see it there is a huge mandate of the people this year coming down the pike and it is going to be a demand for REAL change and the GOP better hear that loud and clear.

The people got snowed on what happened with Bush I and didn't like what they thought happened and as a result we got another attempt at another Jimmy Carter. They didn't like the shit Clinton pulled so we got Bush Lite. His lack of personality and testicular fortitude towards the dims got him in trouble. Bush beget Barry and Barry, in record time has beget the Tea Party Movement. The Tea Partiers began to mobilize to give the GOP one more chance but the Wun has done a beautiful job on his own of slitting his throat so they haven't had to be overly in-your-face vocal so far. BUT if the GOP blows it before '12 then the Tea Party will get all antsy and take back this country before the decade ends.
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #86 on: June 20, 2010, 07:09:55 PM »
Quote from: Carl on June 20, 2010, 04:54:41 PM
Please state where this has happened.
The executive can take an adversarial position to a state law and challenge it in the judicial system.
They can attempt to strong arm a state with the usual means,denying funding for XYZ but I am not familiar with any President ever attempting to negate a state law by fiat.

If I am wrong will admit so.

I was asking... He's done a ton of them, many reversing actions of the last admin. I would not be surprised if there was potential overlap w/ a state law, whether this President or any. Honest question.

If the answer is "no," I'm cool with it.
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #87 on: June 20, 2010, 09:35:29 PM »
Quote from: bkg on June 20, 2010, 07:09:55 PM
I was asking... He's done a ton of them, many reversing actions of the last admin. I would not be surprised if there was potential overlap w/ a state law, whether this President or any. Honest question.

If the answer is "no," I'm cool with it.

Well, holy shit--a President who let's a previous administrations Executive Orders lapse, particularly when parties are changed.

Whoda ****in thunk it?
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #88 on: June 21, 2010, 10:50:13 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on June 20, 2010, 09:35:29 PM
Well, holy shit--a President who let's a previous administrations Executive Orders lapse, particularly when parties are changed.

Whoda ****in thunk it?

Wow, aren't you just the profound one today.  :whatever: :whatever:
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #89 on: June 21, 2010, 10:52:32 AM »
Quote from: bkg on June 21, 2010, 10:50:13 AM
Wow, aren't you just the profound one today.  :whatever: :whatever:

Better to be profound than a half-assed drama queen.
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #90 on: June 21, 2010, 08:48:02 PM »
Ok ladies...simma' down now...catfight:
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #91 on: June 22, 2010, 09:42:00 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on June 21, 2010, 10:52:32 AM
Better to be profound than a half-assed drama queen.

When discussions turn into nothing but name calling, then the discussion is over.
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #92 on: June 22, 2010, 03:19:46 PM »
Quote from: bkg on June 22, 2010, 09:42:00 AM
When discussions turn into nothing but name calling, then the discussion is over.

Bring something to the discussion besides hysterical hyperbole, and I might give a shit what you think.
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #93 on: June 22, 2010, 03:51:10 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on June 22, 2010, 03:19:46 PM
Bring something to the discussion besides hysterical hyperbole, and I might give a shit what you think.

You need to go re-read the entire thread.
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #94 on: June 22, 2010, 03:56:12 PM »
Sorry, I read it once.  I don't need to punch myself in the balls again.
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #95 on: June 22, 2010, 03:59:26 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on June 22, 2010, 03:56:12 PM
Sorry, I read it once.  I don't need to punch myself in the balls again.

Tell ya what, and I'll end with this.

Engage in conversation, or put me on ignore. You'll be happier either way.
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #96 on: June 22, 2010, 04:00:28 PM »
Quote from: bkg on June 22, 2010, 03:59:26 PM
Tell ya what, and I'll end with this.

Engage in conversation, or put me on ignore. You'll be happier either way.

I've seen your idea of "conversation".  But I can't put you on ignore.  Watching you twist yourself into hysterical knots is like seeing a train wreck--you want to look away, but you just can't.
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #97 on: June 22, 2010, 04:05:55 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on June 22, 2010, 03:19:46 PM
Bring something to the discussion besides hysterical hyperbole, and I might give a shit what you think.

Actually Sparky, he has brought up some very valid concerns IMO.

He does go off the deep end on occassion as I have been known to do myself.  He is very harsh in his assessment of the political realities of the last several decades of both parties and I share his assessment on a lot of it.  I just word it a tad less bluntly.

Instead of calling him a drama queen, why don't you merely address the content of his posts?  Resorting to name calling or insults adds nothing to any discussion.  And yeah.... I've done my share of that too.
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #98 on: June 22, 2010, 04:14:59 PM »
Sorry, but I've little use for the "Chicken Little" reactions from either side of the political spectrum.

COULD some of these decisions or proposals have far-reaching consequences?  In extreme cases, yes.  In most situations, minimal to non-existent. 

The whole 100-percenter mentality pisses me off.
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Re: Good-bye USA...
« Reply #99 on: June 22, 2010, 04:21:52 PM »
Fair Nuff then....

Personally, I often think of things in "worse possible" scenarios when it comes to the idiots in DC.  I try to read between the lines so to speak.

I don't trust any of them to any major degree, nor have I ever, and I doubt that is going to change.  History is full of examples where folks didn't "get it" until it was too late.  I try to NOT be one of them.

And for the record, I am not saying that you are one that doesn't "get it".
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