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Interests => Religious Discussions => Topic started by: freemarketfascist on June 03, 2012, 02:04:35 AM
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Is non-existence terrifying to you?
If so how will you explain to your children that they will have to die?
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1) No.
2) Same way it was explained to me. Blunt and accurate.
Next question ?
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Is non-existence terrifying to you?
If so how will you explain to your children that they will have to die?
There is no such thing. All people have an after-life, just some choose to live in one place and some in another.
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Non-existence? Do tell what you mean by this.
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First, as a Christian. I believe in existence beyond physical death.
Second, given the binary choice, I would prefer annihilation-- no surviving consciousness, true non-existence-- over Hell. Hell terrifies me still, though my faith tells me I am in no danger of it.
Third, explaining death to children is a duty of parents, who may engage a surrogate-- clergy, an older relative, a friend-- to do it for them. It can be awkward, even more so than "the sex talk", mostly because one cannot answer "how do you know" with physical evidence; yet it needs doing.
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Is non-existence terrifying to you?
If so how will you explain to your children that they will have to die?
I am not sure kids fear death itself or even think about it until they attend a funeral.
This is one of those things that happen to others you know, reason why they take such chances in life doing things that others have died from.
All faiths and those with no faith have different ideas on death. Surprised to find the non religious that believe in Ghosts, evil spirits, and at the same time believe in the human soul, or that their pets have a soul.
Christians believe after death we go to heaven or hell, then there is the contradictory belief in the second coming and the graves will open and the dead rise. ---So will the souls in both heaven and hell be sent back to their earthly body's.? Will the dead that arise be soul less ????
Purgatory is another mystery, kind of reminds me of the Heathen practice of sending prayers to GOD on the smoke of a candle.
I explained to my kids that sleep, dreamless sleep is the little brother of death. One falls asleep time goes on, much like for those in a coma or who faint or get a good knock on the head. In death one may or may not awaken to another reality. A sort of where were you and your soul before the mother became Pregnant.
No one ever becomes non existent, our DNA lives and continues to keep us alive in the body's of generations into the future. So far we have not found a memory gene but we do pass on traits of skill and abilities that are connected to family members far in the past.
The more questions the stranger it gets--Past life regressions, people that come out of a coma speaking a foreign language and on and on.
Good question you ask as it leads to science , anthropology, the very nature of our being and the age old question of Where did we come from and why am I here.??????
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Is non-existence terrifying to you?
If so how will you explain to your children that they will have to die?
It's existence that's terrifying. Non-existence will be a non-walk in the non-park by comparison. Although I kind of have my heart set on a non-day at the non-beach for eternity.
I didn't have kids and won't be having any, so the second issue isn't a worry for me, personally. But if I did I'd tell them that life is hard, death is easy, and don't fear the reaper.
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"non-existence"?
There's nothing to it.
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Death to me is you just go to sleep and don't wake up.....I know my grandparents and those loved ones(including pets) will be there waiting for me. I don't think the actual death is what scares us, is how we die.Murder, accident or what is the locale of death.....
Many envision heaven as siting on white puffy clouds and hell is a very hot cave and purgatory is an endless desert.... For me, heaven will be living in a Thomas Kincaide house.....log cabin sounds nice....or maybe the stone house with the thatched roof.
To explain to a child, well if I was a parent, I would say do not worry, I or Jesus will be there waiting for you....
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Is non-existence terrifying to you?
Mine no. Yours, on the other hand, would be my fondest wish.
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I have to say growing up and sometimes now I have these anxiety of when my life comes to an end is it like turning a tv off. That bright flash and then nothing? I hate that feeling. I have also had nightmares of actually floating in space and that feeling of being so insignificant and not having a home is terrifying. :mental: :mental: :mental: :mental: :mental: :mental:
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When I was little, at the end of the broadcast day, the test pattern would come on. Talk about non existence. Ever since the test pattern was done away with, non existence became none existent.
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When I was little, at the end of the broadcast day, the test pattern would come on. Talk about non existence. Ever since the test pattern was done away with, non existence became none existent.
THEY'RE HERE!!!!!!
(http://www.thatdanny.com/wp-content/2008/06/theyre_here.gif)
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Is non-existence terrifying to you?
If so how will you explain to your children that they will have to die?
Bitchslap
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THEY'RE HERE!!!!!!
(http://www.thatdanny.com/wp-content/2008/06/theyre_here.gif)
Awesome stuff njpines !
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Now I want to watch Poltergeist. I wonder if they released it on bluray yet?
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No
See: Long Island Medium or John Edward.
My Father has tried to contact me, I'm not ready.
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My Father has tried to contact me, I'm not ready.
can you tell how?
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can you tell how?
Just a "feeling" or dreams that are too "real". You remember every detail as if it was actually happening. Right now it's very upsetting. :(
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Just a "feeling" or dreams that are too "real". You remember every detail as if it was actually happening. Right now it's very upsetting. :(
Sorry. I remember right after my FIL passed I was laying in bed and couldn't sleep and I felt him right next to me and I heard CLEAR AS DAY him saying my name. Freaked me the **** out. :panic:
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I myself am an atheist, but honestly I don't care if there is a God or not. We as humans carve our own paths, godless or not.
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I myself am an atheist, but honestly I don't care if there is a God or not. We as humans carve our own paths, godless or not.
You say you are an athiest. Does that mean you believe in nothing? serious question. I don't understand how one could believe in nothing.
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You say you are an athiest. Does that mean you believe in nothing? serious question. I don't understand how one could believe in nothing.
I do not believe in God or any other deities if that's what you're asking. I don't believe that there is a God. There is evidence supporting the claim that the universe could have made itself, and that human beings could have evolved into the hyper intelligent beings they are today (well, hyper intelligent compared with the rest of the species here.) However, just because there is evidence disproving the idea of God does not mean I do not believe that a supernatural being can exist. One such being could exist, it's just that I'm not going to be convinced by mere literature and what an evangelical says to me on a street corner. I'd need to see the deity with my own two eyes in order to believe that such being(s) exist. It's not that I don't believe in hope and faith and that there can be a God, it's just that having hope and faith in a deity in my opinion is futile since one cannot prove his/her existence.
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This is getting old.
You proclaim to be an atheist yet you admit to there being possible evidence that he actually exists.
Look, take advise from an admitted agnostic.
I DON"T KNOW, I admit I don't know so therefore I don't jump down any ones throat.
You on the other hand contort yourself in an effort to claim everlasting life while at the same time grasping at your atheistic cred.
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This is getting old.
You proclaim to be an atheist yet you admit to there being possible evidence that he actually exists.
Look, take advise from an admitted agnostic.
I DON"T KNOW, I admit I don't know so therefore I don't jump down any ones throat.
You on the other hand contort yourself in an effort to claim everlasting life while at the same time grasping at your atheistic cred.
I never said there was evidence for a God, or even a deity's existence for that matter. I said there is a possibility. I also never said there would never be everlasting life. I said there could be a supernatural being. Chances? No one knows, and I myself don't know either, but as of right now there is no evidence proving a God or God-like being could or does exist so I'm going to say there is no God until I am met with some concrete and peer-reviewed evidence proving I am wrong.
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That's ok, your post is just above mine and can be judged just as it is.
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Either you beieve in God or you don't.. You can't believe in God when it's damn convenient for you..
Case in point: Myself, Sparky, Scooby, FL, knew this woman from another forum who claimed she was an atheist, yet she celebrated Christmas, or excuse me "the holidays"... The first part of that word is "holi", which in IMO, you believe in a celestial being, that guide us thru life.
I see that too much among libs and democrats, that deny Christainaity, yet are the first to storm out on Good Friday, to get the "deals" :hammer:
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Atheist are that until REAL hardship hits them! Real hunger, real cold or real fear where there comes no relief! You either pray or "wish" the pain would stop. If you disagree with that you have never beer there! The day may come and when it does you will no longer be an atheist.
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In order to believe, or even suspect, there is no God, you must believe that the world was so different at some point in the past that life could arise from dead material with no supernatural assistance. You must believe that the most impressive memory material ever dreamed just "happened." You must believe that life "found a way" to invent asexual and then sexual reproduction. You must believe the extremely intricate, extremely delicate cell came to be in a purely natural manner. You must believe that, despite all our current evidence on mutations, for most of the past, they were largely beneficial. I don't have enough faith in mankind's knowledge to believe any of that.
On the other hand, all those miraculous events are far more believable when we admit that they were miracles.
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I never said there was evidence for a God, or even a deity's existence for that matter. I said there is a possibility. I also never said there would never be everlasting life. I said there could be a supernatural being. Chances? No one knows, and I myself don't know either, but as of right now there is no evidence proving a God or God-like being could or does exist so I'm going to say there is no God until I am met with some concrete and peer-reviewed evidence proving I am wrong.
Sorry. There is a God. Everytime I look at my last two children I know there is a God. I have a 9 year age gap between my oldest and middle child. Why? because I was infertile and had miscarriage after miscarriage. I was told by my dr that I would never carry a kid again and give up. I prayed, my son prayed with me and you know what? I became pregnant and carried not one but two children. I didn't get that until I actually gave up all the science and prayed to my God.
I feel sorry for you and that is not to mean anything mean or snarky. You have not known pure joy until you have his presence in your heart. It's mindblowing to feel him all around you.
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You know, when the incorrigible pious old hypocrite Bertrand Lord Russell was dying, someone asked him what he'd do if he found out that God in fact existed, given that he'd denied it all his adult life.
"Oh, but if God would've given me more proof, I would've believed," the senescent old frog complained.
Which showed an abysmal misunderstanding of God, and whether or not God exists.
God gave us the gift of free will, to determine reality on our own.
If God had provided infallible unquestionable evidence that God existed, that would've deprived man of free will to determine the reality of things on his own.
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If you cannot look upon things such as this:
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/5-29-2007-15.jpg)
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/Kauai317.jpg)
and not thank God for being here and now to appreciate it, your life will be very empty.
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Romans 1:20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
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Sorry. There is a God. Everytime I look at my last two children I know there is a God. I have a 9 year age gap between my oldest and middle child. Why? because I was infertile and had miscarriage after miscarriage. I was told by my dr that I would never carry a kid again and give up. I prayed, my son prayed with me and you know what? I became pregnant and carried not one but two children. I didn't get that until I actually gave up all the science and prayed to my God.
I feel sorry for you and that is not to mean anything mean or snarky. You have not known pure joy until you have his presence in your heart. It's mindblowing to feel him all around you.
Convincing, but I am not one to be the authority in whether or not he exists, and there is no proof of his existence. Even if God did help you, your miracle is a single case, I'd need to see this happen constantly and have my peers who are educated on the subjects look at it themselves.
If you cannot look upon things such as this:
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/5-29-2007-15.jpg)
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/Kauai317.jpg)
and not thank God for being here and now to appreciate it, your life will be very empty.
Plate tectonics, sun's path, and the rotation of the earth made those things possible. I do not see evidence of God playing a part in the creation of such beautiful landscapes.
In order to believe, or even suspect, there is no God, you must believe that the world was so different at some point in the past that life could arise from dead material with no supernatural assistance. You must believe that the most impressive memory material ever dreamed just "happened." You must believe that life "found a way" to invent asexual and then sexual reproduction. You must believe the extremely intricate, extremely delicate cell came to be in a purely natural manner. You must believe that, despite all our current evidence on mutations, for most of the past, they were largely beneficial. I don't have enough faith in mankind's knowledge to believe any of that.
On the other hand, all those miraculous events are far more believable when we admit that they were miracles.
I believe you are talking about evolution, yes? Anyway, mutations are not all beneficial. The mutations that have carried on are beneficial however. Survival of the fittest, the fittest species shall survive and thrive. So members of a species with a beneficial mutation will reproduce much more often than those without the mutation or with a negative mutation.
Atheist are that until REAL hardship hits them! Real hunger, real cold or real fear where there comes no relief! You either pray or "wish" the pain would stop. If you disagree with that you have never beer there! The day may come and when it does you will no longer be an atheist.
Of course people are going to wish that hardships never fall upon their lap, and will hope to get out of them if they do. All humans do that, and it's not just men who believe in a deity that get out of those hardships. It differs from case to case if they turn to religion to have hope, I myself don't look up to the image of a heaven or a Godly figure but instead find the courage within myself to carry on.
Either you beieve in God or you don't.. You can't believe in God when it's damn convenient for you..
Case in point: Myself, Sparky, Scooby, FL, knew this woman from another forum who claimed she was an atheist, yet she celebrated Christmas, or excuse me "the holidays"... The first part of that word is "holi", which in IMO, you believe in a celestial being, that guide us thru life.
I see that too much among libs and democrats, that deny Christainaity, yet are the first to storm out on Good Friday, to get the "deals" :hammer:
Every group of people will have their hypocrites. I myself do as well but this is more of a being joyous, loving life, and being with family kind of holiday. I agree with you with atheist liberals and democrats, it's annoying to deal with those people, whether they're godless or not.
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You haven't been there yet.
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You haven't been there yet.
Really? Please, tell me of your epic stories of hardships and struggles.
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I've been hungry. Really hungry and I've been cold, really cold. Never was really in fear. You? Perhaps fear of nonexistence?
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Really? Please, tell me of your epic stories of hardships and struggles.
I am going to tell you a true story about myself. I went to a Catholic School, and I wasn't Catholic. The nuns made God sound mean, hell and brimstone. When I was about 12 years old, I was condemned to hell, by a nun, because I wasn't Catholic, and didn't take the sacraments. I didn't believe that God was like that, but whatever... I was very insecure in HS (which was public) and turned away from God, though I retained the information from the Bible. I had a beautiful Bible I recieved when I became aa American Citizen in 1976. I put that Bible away for many years. From the day I put that bible away in 1984, my life went down the tubes. No self esteem and no self confidence. My marriage only lasted 7 years, where I lived in literal poverty and an abusive husband. I never set foot in a Church, unless it was for a wedding or a funeral...
After meeting all the wonderful people on this forum, Eupher, Franksolitch, Gina, BigDog, Cats. Mrs Smith, etc.. I finally saw the light and started going back to Church. I found that dusty Bible when I was rummaging for stuff at my Mum's. I took it home and put it on my Hope chest...between my beloved Mallard Duck BookEnds. You know, my life is so much richer for it...You cannot tell me there is no God!!!
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Really? Please, tell me of your epic stories of hardships and struggles.
I wouldn't call them "hardships and struggles," but my father died when I was 17, my mother when I was 18, and my younger brother when I was 19; the three most important people in my life over a 31-month period.
I had six older brothers and sisters (my younger brother and I were late children, coming when our parents were in middle age), all of whom are now dead, long before they lived out their three-score and seven; I wasn't close to them (although got along okay with them, formally), as they'd turned out Democrats, liberals, and primitives, going against nearly everything in which I believe. They were proof that "better living through chemistry" is bullshit, dying between the ages of 40 and 59, all of them bloated up by pharmaceuticals.
I was born deaf, absent ears. The effects of accutane.
Even with a college degree, a solid work history, and a wonderful reputation, it's harder than Hell for a deaf person to be gainfully employed, and if employed, it's a string of dead-end jobs.
However.
I don't consider myself having been unlucky, or mistreated by life.
In fact, I think I've been treated rather well.
As far as I can tell, my nonchalant, don't-take-it-seriously, happy-go-lucky attitude is because I know God is, and that God in the end takes care of all. I don't merely "believe" in God; I know God is, and there's not a damned thing anybody can do about it.
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I believe you are talking about evolution, yes? Anyway, mutations are not all beneficial. The mutations that have carried on are beneficial however. Survival of the fittest, the fittest species shall survive and thrive. So members of a species with a beneficial mutation will reproduce much more often than those without the mutation or with a negative mutation.
Thank you for clearly demonstrating how people remain atheists...by ignoring the majority of the evidence against the possibility that He does not exist.
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Plate tectonics, sun's path, and the rotation of the earth made those things possible. I do not see evidence of God playing a part in the creation of such beautiful landscapes.
One cloud of atoms "observes" another cloud of atoms and calls it "beautiful."
What is the chemical composition of sentiment?
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The Bible talks about things that man has argued about for years. Like snakes having legs. Scientists today believe that snakes at one time walked, and yet in Genesis 3 God curses them and makes them crawl on their bellies.
Also in the Bible it talks about the world being round. How long has the world thought of the world being flat? Up yo the 1400s? Isaiah 40:22 "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"
Also the Bible talks about the Hittites, an empire that was lost since the old testament. They were found over a hundred years ago, but before that no one believed they existed, but they found the names of the kings mentioned in the Bible.
Bible also talks about the Arab nations, through Ishmael Abraham's son. How they will be many, they will fight with each other and they will be hated by all the world. Nebuchadnezzar has a dream about a statue made of different materials. The statue represents all the kingdoms that will rule the world. The last part of the statue is the toes of iron and clay. They don't mix, they fight with each other. Look at the middle east, they fight with each other. Bible also says Ishmael's descendents(Arabs) will hate Isaac's descendents(Israel), but in the end times the Arab nations will unite under one leader. Look at Egypt today, President Mursi is trying to rally the Islamists. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20564038) It is prophecy in the works.
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Ever have an enlightenment moment when on says in awe, God does exist ?. Or a exaltation that " There is a God" ???
Prayer circles are a good way to start, ever join in one for a hopeless case and for some reason the medical comunity cannot explain the prayed for recovered ???
On to those lost at sea or on land, all hope of rescue is lost until out of the clear blue a searcher for no known to their reason decides to go off grid and finds the lost. Why did this happen, what directed the searchers to the place they found the lost ???
Who is it that whisperers in the ear of a person sleeping to not get on that boat, airplane or even go to work that day.
Who is it that gets into the mind of a woman --we call it woman's 6 th sense-- that causes woman to some how sense evil or get those strange feeling about others. Who is it to tell others that they need to call home right now ???
We have God all around us but only pay attention when we have had a close call.
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I've been hungry. Really hungry and I've been cold, really cold. Never was really in fear. You? Perhaps fear of nonexistence?
I don't have a fear of non-existence honestly. I know I'm going to die, and that I'm going to rot in the ground. I'm not sure what happens afterwards, no one knows for sure, but what I can say is that if I die and if there is a God I shall say "Sorry" and hope he doesn't think I'm Canadian.
I am going to tell you a true story about myself. I went to a Catholic School, and I wasn't Catholic. The nuns made God sound mean, hell and brimstone. When I was about 12 years old, I was condemned to hell, by a nun, because I wasn't Catholic, and didn't take the sacraments. I didn't believe that God was like that, but whatever... I was very insecure in HS (which was public) and turned away from God, though I retained the information from the Bible. I had a beautiful Bible I recieved when I became aa American Citizen in 1976. I put that Bible away for many years. From the day I put that bible away in 1984, my life went down the tubes. No self esteem and no self confidence. My marriage only lasted 7 years, where I lived in literal poverty and an abusive husband. I never set foot in a Church, unless it was for a wedding or a funeral...
After meeting all the wonderful people on this forum, Eupher, Franksolitch, Gina, BigDog, Cats. Mrs Smith, etc.. I finally saw the light and started going back to Church. I found that dusty Bible when I was rummaging for stuff at my Mum's. I took it home and put it on my Hope chest...between my beloved Mallard Duck BookEnds. You know, my life is so much richer for it...You cannot tell me there is no God!!!
I'm not here to tell you there is no God. I'm just defending my personal beliefs. I'm glad you're living a better life!
I wouldn't call them "hardships and struggles," but my father died when I was 17, my mother when I was 18, and my younger brother when I was 19; the three most important people in my life over a 31-month period.
I had six older brothers and sisters (my younger brother and I were late children, coming when our parents were in middle age), all of whom are now dead, long before they lived out their three-score and seven; I wasn't close to them (although got along okay with them, formally), as they'd turned out Democrats, liberals, and primitives, going against nearly everything in which I believe. They were proof that "better living through chemistry" is bullshit, dying between the ages of 40 and 59, all of them bloated up by pharmaceuticals.
I was born deaf, absent ears. The effects of accutane.
Even with a college degree, a solid work history, and a wonderful reputation, it's harder than Hell for a deaf person to be gainfully employed, and if employed, it's a string of dead-end jobs.
However.
I don't consider myself having been unlucky, or mistreated by life.
In fact, I think I've been treated rather well.
As far as I can tell, my nonchalant, don't-take-it-seriously, happy-go-lucky attitude is because I know God is, and that God in the end takes care of all. I don't merely "believe" in God; I know God is, and there's not a damned thing anybody can do about it.
Damn. I'm sorry for your loss. Again, I'm not here to indoctrinate you or try and convert you like atheists (especially on internet forums like Reddit) will try and do. I'm just defending my beliefs in a civil debate.
Thank you for clearly demonstrating how people remain atheists...by ignoring the majority of the evidence against the possibility that He does not exist.
Please tell me evidence that proves that a God or any deity or god-like being can exist. I'm actually not too familiar with the evidence proving God's existence.
The Bible talks about things that man has argued about for years. Like snakes having legs. Scientists today believe that snakes at one time walked, and yet in Genesis 3 God curses them and makes them crawl on their bellies.
Also in the Bible it talks about the world being round. How long has the world thought of the world being flat? Up yo the 1400s? Isaiah 40:22 "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"
Also the Bible talks about the Hittites, an empire that was lost since the old testament. They were found over a hundred years ago, but before that no one believed they existed, but they found the names of the kings mentioned in the Bible.
Bible also talks about the Arab nations, through Ishmael Abraham's son. How they will be many, they will fight with each other and they will be hated by all the world. Nebuchadnezzar has a dream about a statue made of different materials. The statue represents all the kingdoms that will rule the world. The last part of the statue is the toes of iron and clay. They don't mix, they fight with each other. Look at the middle east, they fight with each other. Bible also says Ishmael's descendents(Arabs) will hate Isaac's descendents(Israel), but in the end times the Arab nations will unite under one leader. Look at Egypt today, President Mursi is trying to rally the Islamists. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20564038) It is prophecy in the works.
Overall, I cannot debate with what you say about Bible quotes and passages since I am not exactly an expert at the scripture, but I can definitely tell the one talking about snakes is not accurate. Why are there creatures who are cosmetically similar to snakes, such as the salamander, that has legs? Could it be that they came from a common ancestor of some sort? Again, not saying it isn't true, but that it may be not true as well. There's no way to tell if God actually said that other than reading words in the Bible and I'd need some real concrete evidence to decide for myself if God said it, or if He or a god-like being even exists.
Ever have an enlightenment moment when on says in awe, God does exist ?. Or a exaltation that " There is a God" ???
Prayer circles are a good way to start, ever join in one for a hopeless case and for some reason the medical comunity cannot explain the prayed for recovered ???
On to those lost at sea or on land, all hope of rescue is lost until out of the clear blue a searcher for no known to their reason decides to go off grid and finds the lost. Why did this happen, what directed the searchers to the place they found the lost ???
Who is it that whisperers in the ear of a person sleeping to not get on that boat, airplane or even go to work that day.
Who is it that gets into the mind of a woman --we call it woman's 6 th sense-- that causes woman to some how sense evil or get those strange feeling about others. Who is it to tell others that they need to call home right now ???
We have God all around us but only pay attention when we have had a close call.
These are isolated cases, how do you know that the reasons they did what they do is because they have random thoughts or just want to do it? How do you know it's not similar to you deciding "You know what I'm going to eat a burger from place B rather than place A today." I'm not saying God didn't do it, it's just that humans do this kind of thing all the time.
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So you don't look down your nose at us who believe. That's a good trait. Personally I don't care what anybody believes or don't believe. I still believe that when faced with real death such as being huddled in a foxhole with bullets sizzling over your head and knowing there is nothing between you and the enemy you will pray! Just my belief. If you say you wont, OK you wont. I don't care.
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Please tell me evidence that proves that a God or any deity or god-like being can exist. I'm actually not too familiar with the evidence proving God's existence.
Let's start with the Bible, His Word given to us for understanding. It begins with a description of something that matches the scientific idea of a Big Bang. That portion of the Bible was written by a man that was educated in Egypt. He grew up learning about all the Egyptian gods, like the sun god. Yet he wrote that light existed before any sun. Not exactly the kind of idea a man would dream up, right?
Others have mentioned portions of biblical history that are gradually being proved true through archeology and anthropology. There is a book titled, "The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict," by Josh McDowell, over 800 pages of proofs about biblical accuracy.
Then lets look at a few modern things, like drug and prison rehabilitation programs. There is one common thread in all the programs that actually work, those with the lowest recidivism rates, and that is those programs are based on supernatural help. Either they are directly Christian, or they are based on His help as in 12 step programs.
And of course, there are billions of people worldwide that can testify to meeting Christ and accepting His gift of salvation.
And lastly, there is the little list I originally posted of some of the most glaring problems with the idea that life could have developed in a natural manner.
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So you don't look down your nose at us who believe. That's a good trait. Personally I don't care what anybody believes or don't believe. I still believe that when faced with real death such as being huddled in a foxhole with bullets sizzling over your head and knowing there is nothing between you and the enemy you will pray! Just my belief. If you say you wont, OK you wont. I don't care.
I honestly don't care what anyone believes either, and for the foxhole thing. Yes, you're going to hope, and you're going to pray to some extent, but that does not mean that God is a real entity and it may just be a way to give you hope.
Let's start with the Bible, His Word given to us for understanding. It begins with a description of something that matches the scientific idea of a Big Bang. That portion of the Bible was written by a man that was educated in Egypt. He grew up learning about all the Egyptian gods, like the sun god. Yet he wrote that light existed before any sun. Not exactly the kind of idea a man would dream up, right?
Others have mentioned portions of biblical history that are gradually being proved true through archeology and anthropology. There is a book titled, "The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict," by Josh McDowell, over 800 pages of proofs about biblical accuracy.
Then lets look at a few modern things, like drug and prison rehabilitation programs. There is one common thread in all the programs that actually work, those with the lowest recidivism rates, and that is those programs are based on supernatural help. Either they are directly Christian, or they are based on His help as in 12 step programs.
And of course, there are billions of people worldwide that can testify to meeting Christ and accepting His gift of salvation.
And lastly, there is the little list I originally posted of some of the most glaring problems with the idea that life could have developed in a natural manner.
Okay. I'll look into the evidence supporting the theory of the Christian Bible being correct.
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I honestly don't care what anyone believes either, and for the foxhole thing. Yes, you're going to hope, and you're going to pray to some extent, but that does not mean that God is a real entity and it may just be a way to give you hope.
Okay. I'll look into the evidence supporting the theory of the Christian Bible being correct.
Lee Strobel has also written some good evidence-type books.
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Gosh I am certainly late to all of this fun but .. may I say a few things?
Thank You .. Don't mind if I do! :rofl:
I have never seen and can offer no 'proof' (that I can show anyone) that God exists.
And I can also say that I have never seen a tornado 'ripping' through a salvage yard and on it's way out .. build itself a shiny new corvette!
I 'can' tell you which scenario .. is more likely!
(Hint: It ain't the tornado building me a corvette one)
Intelligence shows order whereas non-intelligence can only bring disorder.
(God, Tornado)
I had a philosophy professor that did his best to confuse a subject such as the one here.
He would spend forty five minutes of a thirty minute class on similar 'philosophies' that until this day .. cannot be proven one way or another.
I find it amusing that even though a scientist (or professor) can never say that he has seen a house erect itself (from nothing) can .. at the same time say that the Universe and Life, which is Much More than a house, could and did create itself .. from nothing!
It may sound quite logical to you but to me .. not so much!
And if I am wrong .. we (and the atheists) come to the same dead end but .. What if I am right? :naughty:
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"Is non-existence terrifying to you?"
Nope. I could use a break!
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"Is non-existence terrifying to you?"
Nope. I could use a break!
:rofl: :rofl: