http://www.strategyoneinsight.com/?p=136
If you own a small business or work in industries that are consumer driven, I'd prepare for 2009 like conditions again.
I do believe we are on the cusp of a double dip right now. So much for that "recovery summer", huh?? ::)
Absent federal spending, I don't think we ever left the recession.You are correct on this. The whole "recovery" was a sham and even the illusion couldn't be maintained as evidenced by Obama's and Biden's "Recovery Summer" tour.
Absent federal spending, I don't think we ever left the recession.
Absent federal spending, I don't think we ever left the recession.
I do believe we are on the cusp of a double dip right now. So much for that "recovery summer", huh?? ::)
I was calling that Mission Accomplished moment. Bush took 5 years to look like a disaster and cost his party elections, Obama did it in 19 months. Impressive.
The President made his share of missteps. But in reality what happened in 2006 was caused by the Capitol Hill Congress Critters and not the President.
By the time he left office Herpes was polling better.
Frankly I think we are being a little hard on the Presidents. They are stuck trying to manage crazytown.
Of course, they actively seek the job.
Kind of funny now, in some areas President Bush is back polling higher numbers than Obama.
Well there is a battle over who will be the 3rd and 4th worst Presidents going on right now, I think Barack has an inside track going on. Who knows, he keeps it up he might give old Buchanan a run for the title.
God knows that Jimmy Carter is breathing a little easier these days.
Oh Jimmy at least has that picture with Sadat and Begin to stare at and say I'm not a total failure, I'm not a total failure.
Frankly I think we are being a little hard on the Presidents. They are stuck trying to manage crazytown.
AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-22-09 12:53 PM
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Dick Cheney, SHUT THE **** UP
Seriously Dick, you were the Co-President in one of the most disastrous administration, economically, diplomatically, and militarily in US history. Everything you got your reptilian fingers around has turned to absolute shit.
Dithering? Dithering? Really Dick, well perhaps if your administration did a little bit more dithering we wouldn't be involved in two wars that have cost thousands of American lives and possibly over a million civilian causalities. Perhaps if you did a little less dithering in April of 2008 when the financial world was about to blow up, millions of your fellow citizens wouldn't be struggling right now. Finally if that man-child of a "boss" you had, did a little less dithering in August of 2001 around the ranch, maybe we wouldn't have had 9-11 to begin with.
I have no doubt in my mind, that some sort of deal was made to make sure a peaceful transition of power happened last January. However, I hope to God, that whatever deal that was made is strongly being reconsidered since your reptilian mug has a tendency to peek out every so often and chime in on what you think. Nobody cares what you think, Dick. You and your Kabul of reptiles have taken a once great nation to the brink of literally collapsing.
Please Dick, go back to Wyoming shut-up, before this nation has to send you to the Hague for your crimes.
AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 07:20 AM
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Something to Remember about Republicans
The republican party represents people that still believe that the earth is 6000 years old and that Sarah Palin would be a great President. It represents people who are too simple minded to be able to reconcile their faith with an idea that their can be a metaphor in the Bible. There is also alot of racism there. Ignorance and blind faith is a dangerous combination
Jake.....since TRG brought it up, I would like for you to defend this statement:
I'm sure we would all appreciate a very specific explanation, not your usual oblique equivocation......
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The Conservative Cave is a conservative website that spends most of their bandwith on reading DU and commenting on it. I became aware of it about 3 months ago.
They had copied and pasted a number of threads I've written in DU and since I'm no longer posting there, I figured I'd drop by and say hi.
Some of them were nasty (one asked me to kill myself, and than started talking about General Patton, head would explode if he knew I'm a fan of the General, and Patton is one of my favorite movies). Others were curious, others wanted to blame me personally for everything Bill Clinton and Barack Obama had ever done. A few were even nice.
Which brings me to a point. It will be impossible to work with the Tea Party groups. You might be angry at the Administration, but that movement is not one to follow or flirt with too much. The leaders of that group are just as interested as the leaders in the two parties to continue the hate and anger and lack of rational discourse that has gotten us to this point in American History. They want to continue the labels, they want to continue the name calling, and they want to continue turning everyone into a cartoon character of reality. If the Tea Party became a legit political party, it would quickly devolve into the GOP and the patronage system that currently exists of campaign donations and private sector jobs for government contracts and policy will continue.
I liken them to Newt's GOP revolution that was all about reform, than reformed nothing in government. Same shit, new brand.
http://oldelmtree.com/?topic=5346.0
During the 1994 elections, Republican candidates for the House of Representatives took the unusual step of signing a “contract with America.†They pledged to enact this legislative agenda if their party won the majority. Rarely has a congressional election been waged on such a specific program. The Contract promised a balanced-budget amendment and a line-item veto to control federal spending; tougher anticrime legislation; welfare reform; a tax credit for families with children; reduced federal regulation; enhanced national security; reforms in product liability laws; and term limits for members. The Contract helped Republicans win control of the House for the first time in 40 years and elevated its primary author, Georgia Representative Newt Gingrich, to Speaker of the House.
During their first hundred days in the majority in 1995, House members passed most key elements of the Contract. But the Senate moved more slowly. Since Senate Republicans had not campaigned on the Contract, they felt freer to amend and even reject some of its provisions.
The Contract with America, a ten-point legislative program spearheaded by Newt Gingrich, the minority leader in the U.S. House of Representatives, served as a Republican blueprint for reform entering into the 1994 midterm election season. Candidates who signed the Contract agreed to support a balanced-budget amendment, welfare reform, and congressional term limits, among other items. Implementation of the provisions of the Contract became the rallying cry of the new Republican majority in the House in the spring of 1995. The work to enact the Contract resulted in modest legislative victories and pushed congressional politics in a more conservative direction. However, congressional Democrats successfully worked to block passage of most of the Contract's initiatives, there by blunting its impact as a major issue in the 1996 federal elections. The polarized, partisan atmosphere created by fights over the Contract set the context for the impeachment of President Bill Clinton in 1998.
Oh really? Funny you should say that Jake...
What a hypocritical moran you are.
Or this...
Asked before and didn`t get an answer but as basically civil as you are treated here (I know there are exceptions) do you still say this?
You threatened to shoot me my first visit. It was kind of off putting. Threats of violence generally tend to make people not think someplace is a friendly place to be.
Seriously, look at my list of the past 10 years.
I think anyone who isn't a little confused as to what is going on in the world is crazy.
Hell, Castro disavowed Communism today.
You have a Christian preacher with 50 members in his church burning Quarans and it is national news
We are debating a Mosque in NY that doesn't even have the funding to be built just the permit
There are border wars and we are having a fight over enforcing federal law
The government issued an unemployment report forgetting to say that 9 states data was estimated and was only caught when someone asked a question about holidays.
It is almost as if the world has gone nuts.
Be very clear...I did not threaten you.
I have always treated you civilly but seriously and have discussed things with you that way.
Just ask for honesty is all.
Sorry to be clear, one of your members that was a poor choice of words.
Regarding your list there will always be events in any 10 year time period that can be looked back on and said "My God,who would have ever imagined".
The events of 9/11 are a clear mark though that will always have a before and after recognition.
The rest are a lot more transient,in time they will be recorded and discussed but will not have the overall profound impact.
You may be too young to remember the last time we were in a situation like we are now,politicians from one side of the political spectrum having undercut a military action to the point the public lost a focus.
Economic woes and lost faith in political ethics and a President that was woefully unprepared for the office which started with his feelings that America simply was not exceptional and great despite flaws.
That all changed in November of 1980 so am not giving up just yet.
You threatened to shoot me my first visit. It was kind of off putting. Threats of violence generally tend to make people not think someplace is a friendly place to be.
Seriously, look at my list of the past 10 years.
I think anyone who isn't a little confused as to what is going on in the world is crazy.
Hell, Castro disavowed Communism today.
You have a Christian preacher with 50 members in his church burning Quarans and it is national news
We are debating a Mosque in NY that doesn't even have the funding to be built just the permit
There are border wars and we are having a fight over enforcing federal law
The government issued an unemployment report forgetting to say that 9 states data was estimated and was only caught when someone asked a question about holidays.
It is almost as if the world has gone nuts.
That preacher has changed his mind. He ain't gonna do it.
I think we have a cultural problem right now, not a political one.
None of you are my enemies. We may disagree on something but we are not enemies. You are fellow citizens.
A depression may be actually good for the country or it could tear it apart. We need to be reminded I think we are Americans. We are in this boat together, pull together and build a better country. Or we could tear each other limb to limb fighting over the last scrap of cheese left to us by previous generations.
This is not a socialism/capitalism thing. More of a community thing and a respect thing.
I apologize for the way I initially came here. I have a greater understanding of your points of view and a respect for them. Even if I disagree on some issues.
Good, we can all use a little less stirring up of emotions and trouble right now.
I am disappointed that he bowed to pressure and changed his mind.
I for one don't give a damn how pissed off the radical Muslims get over it. They hate us anyway.
Possibly. Everyone else seemed to be begging him not to including the generals in the field. Who knows.
None of you are my enemies. We may disagree on something but we are not enemies. You are fellow citizens.
Uh, what? You voted for the Bummer, right? Then I beg to differ! You are my enemy! I blame you and the other millions who failed to see this guy was nothin' more than a flash in the pan, community Acorn luvin', dirty trick, Chicago politician!
Why don't you splain to me the resume you based you're stinkin' vote on? You along with the rest of the sheep put this country into the worst shape of my lifetime, and I've been around more than 1/2 a century! This DipShit is even worse than the Peanut Farmer!
This guy has never actually earned a paycheck, let alone wrote one, yet believes he is an economic genius!
IMHO, he couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel!
I'm changing my mind on some things.
Would you prefer me not to take a look at the past 10 years which have been a disaster for our country. I'm even giving Dick and George some slack. You should be happy.
In the past 10 years we have
1) Been attacked on our soil for the first time since 1812
2) Had two wars
3) Had a total economic meltdown possibly equivalent of 1929
4) Gone from full employment to depression level unemployment in 3 yearsLet's see, exactly WHO caused the housing market to crash?? Who were doing shady deals with Countrywide and other banks?? What was the unemployment in Jan of 09?? What is it now?? Who took control of Congress in 2007?? Who has stood in the way of Bush fixing any of these problems??
5) Watched two Presidencies implodeWhat you talkin about Willis?? Implode?? Bush wasn't the greatest Pres by any means, but seriously, "implode"??
This is after I grew up in 20 years of relative stability. Frankly if I wasn't confused as to what the hell is going on in the world, I'd probably be lobotomized.Perhaps you need to get off of the lame(left) stream media and find ALL sources of news....... Or perhaps, you just can't HANDLE the truth and need to be spoon fed your morning pablum??
Hell there are so many "truths" that I heard in my youth that have been turned on their head in the past 10 years it is hard to know what the hell to believe.
BTW, your avatar is MOST apropos........ Gaius Baltar, a traitor to "humanity", a snake, a liar, a thief and a cheat. In the story, he committed an act of violence that makes Hitler seems like a "good guy"......
In the original series, he was every bit as evil, if not more so.
I was not assigning blame, I was actually reflecting on what has been going on for a while. I fully believe some Clinton Administration policies contributed to this mess looking at it. Particularly GLB, NAFTA, and Greenspan policies during the late 90s till 2005 when he left office.
Really, I'm 31. I'm just trying to figure out why my country is in worst shape right now when I graduated from college.
It was on Sci Fi before the new BSG was aired...... I watched every one of the original BSG when they first aired. You weren't born yet. It was written fairly well, but the tech was lame.
Never saw the original series. Doesn't seem to be as well written from what I heard.
Gaius didn't commit the act of violence he was stupid and handed over codes to a woman he was sleeping with. Baltar had no for thought on what he was doing, he was engaging in basic human corruption. Something that appeared to be going on in the Caprica society for quite a while.He might as well have been the one that did the killing. Complicity and all that...... Were it NOT for him, Caprica wouldn't have had a mass execution.
It was on Sci Fi before the new BSG was aired...... I watched every one of the original BSG when they first aired. You weren't born yet. It was written fairly well, but the tech was lame.
He might as well have been the one that did the killing. Complicity and all that...... Were it NOT for him, Caprica wouldn't have had a mass execution.
I was not assigning blame, I was actually reflecting on what has been going on for a while. I fully believe some Clinton Administration policies contributed to this mess looking at it. Particularly GLB, NAFTA, and Greenspan policies during the late 90s till 2005 when he left office.
Really, I'm 31. I'm just trying to figure out why my country is in worst shape right now when I graduated from college.
I think we can spread out the blame. Why are you so focused on an either or.
A person can't say I think George W. Bush wasn't the hottest President and I don't think Barack is a good president either. It is entirely possible that the two political parties promoted two men to the office that were not equipped for it do to the media component of politics and the 24/7 news cycle.
Given 9/11 I think Bush did a pretty damn good job!
O'Bummer hasn't done anything except drive the country into the ground at 100 MPH!!!
The two can't even remotely be compared!
All things considered, Clinton COULD have prevented 9/11, BUT............ he was too busy getting his "knob polished" to worry about the important things.
I'm changing my mind on some things.
Would you prefer me not to take a look at the past 10 years which have been a disaster for our country. I'm even giving Dick and George some slack. You should be happy
In the past 10 years we have
1) Been attacked on our soil for the first time since 1812
2) Had two wars
3) Had a total economic meltdown possibly equivalent of 1929
4) Gone from full employment to depression level unemployment in 3 years
5) Watched two Presidencies implode
This is after I grew up in 20 years of relative stability.
Frankly if I wasn't confused as to what the hell is going on in the world, I'd probably be lobotomized.
Hell there are so many "truths" that I heard in my youth that have been turned on their head in the past 10 years it is hard to know what the hell to believe.
All that federal spending on the stimulus just took money from one sector of the economy and redirected it to where the Dems wanted it to go. They redirected the natural flow and probably prolonged the recession.
@ Jake:
Fact is ....... Reagan set this country on a massive upward spiral towards a great economy. Clinton and his Dems rode the Reaganomics wave and subsequently ran it into the ground. (I witnessed this happening, perhaps you were too young to notice or care) Bush was unable to recover it because he was too focused on 9/11 and subsequent events. 0bama is just making it worse. People are scared nowadays. They are afraid of what's to come because 0bama and his party of corruption are too busy lining theirs and their friends pockets.
For the record, I'm not a big fan of Reagan. He did a couple of things that I absolutely despise!!
Amnesty for illegals being paramount among them!
All things considered though, he was pretty damn good man for the office!
Our latest, "spend everyone's money but my friends", fearless leader takes the cake for useless in office!
Yep, that's ONE of them. The other was the 1986 Gun Control Act......
“By virtually any measure, our economy is in a better place than it was two years ago,†Gibbs told reporters at the White House.
Yep, that's ONE of them. The other was the 1986 Gun Control Act......
I don't pay much attention to "Gun Control Acts"! As far as I'm concerned, they don't exist!
Thanks to Reagan, we can no longer purchase ANY automatic weapon made after 1986. That cuts out a LOT of weapons!! I'd really like to have a real honest to God P-90. Not only did the GCA of 1986 put automatic weapons into an "extinction mode", but made the price of the ones that exist skyrocket to unimaginable and unrealistic cost. A real M-16 costs less than $1000 to manufacture. To buy a pre-1986 one costs around $10K or more. So, even IF one qualified and paid the tax stamp, they are out priced right from the get-go any more.
http://www.atfmachinegun.com/
The price is too high if one gets caught with an illegally modified handgun or rifle. (10 years in prison and up to $250K fine)
@ Jake:
Fact is ....... Reagan set this country on a massive upward spiral towards a great economy. Clinton and his Dems rode the Reaganomics wave and subsequently ran it into the ground. (I witnessed this happening, perhaps you were too young to notice or care) Bush was unable to recover it because he was too focused on 9/11 and subsequent events. 0bama is just making it worse. People are scared nowadays. They are afraid of what's to come because 0bama and his party of corruption are too busy lining theirs and their friends pockets.
For the record, I'm not a big fan of Reagan. He did a couple of things that I absolutely despise!!