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Interests => Living Off of the Grid & Survivalism => Topic started by: Aaron Burr on January 07, 2010, 09:37:59 PM
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The scenario: You're at work when the monkey starts humpin' the football. What essentials items do you have in your cubicle or office or job site that will get you safely home, or to the predetermined hunker down spot of choice.
Would you travel alone or with others?
And no cheating because the football humpin' monkey is so big it's clogged all the roads with traffic. No backpack (unless you really keep one in the cubicle or office) so what could you fit in your pockets or carry in your hands to ensure your survival from point A to point B? It's a 72 hour scenario with a hot bath and some soup in a mug waiting for you at the end.
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For the LOVE OF PETE! Do I have to WALK home???
With that being said, I have a 20 mile commute, passing by houses of my buddies, and I would stop in, for whatever I needed in a real scenario, but, for the sake of it, I will pretend I can't get there.
My letter opener.
The snack bars in my drawer.
Bandaids and antibacterial ointment from the first aid box.
batteries
I keep a knife in my purse, so I will already have that, and if I get to stop by the car I can't drive, I would also get my tire iron, and pepper spray.
edited to add a few bottles of water, and a coke. (not sure why about the coke, but we have em, so why not?)
(I have an office gig, I don't know what else I could rip from my cube.)
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It would be very convenient to have an M-4 and a bag of rations at the office I guess. lol.
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I can get a rifle and mre's and anything I need, about 4 miles away, and that is where I would go, but I took that out of the equation to answer the question how it was written.
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No,no, any answer works. I just figured I'd try to make it as real as possible. You're at work, or stuck in traffic. I hadn't thought that friends might live along the commute home. If something like an EMP pulse whacked us, then cars and electricity wouldn't work. Gas pumps, money boxes etc,etc. So it's walking or mugging a Jr. High kid for his lowrider bicycle.
I figured most people don't go walking around with gas masks and jungle knives to work so it stands to reason that just getting home would be the first major obstacle. Well, not for me as I work from home, don't watch cable and only have one A.M. station. I might hear about Armageddon between local High School football scores but I'm not really sure I'd notice anything was amiss until the local Chinese restaurant closed down. (Ain't never gonna' happen, they've survived two fires, a flood and the Alien Exclusion Act).
But if I worked out of town I'd grab my lighter, my baseball hat and the anti acid tablets and start heading home. I'd carry an empty bottle, a rag and piece of broken glass. Along the way I'd find some charcoal (easy enough out here) for water filtration and use the rag to protect the back of my neck (for starters) and to aid in the water filtration. Food would be the bag of fritos I know I've always had somewhere around the office. The high fat content in one of those little bags will keep you going for about a day. After that it's anti acid tablets to keep the hunger down and whatever bugs and grubs I can dig up. Maybe some cactus goop. No fires. That's a "come rob me" signal for miles around. Up with the sun and hunkered down by 3:30 using the rag and glass to dig out a hole that will be covered with brush. Parallel to the main routes of travel but not near them.
I don't know what people would do if they were stuck in an office park, surrounded by suburbia and over 20 miles from home. Wow! Talk about running the gauntlet.
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I work from home :-)
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I work from home :-)
not currently employed.
Next thread: Your about to become a bum.... what goes in your shopping cart?
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Stanky old sleeping bag, some random cardboard pieces. One crutch. 1 gallon jug of Thunderbird. A machete. My "paperwork" from the state. Old pair of Chuck Taylor's. A wig. Mein Kampf. fritos.
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Stanky old sleeping bag, some random cardboard pieces. One crutch. 1 gallon jug of Thunderbird. A machete. My "paperwork" from the state. Old pair of Chuck Taylor's. A wig. Mein Kampf. fritos.
:rotf:
Fritos, but of course.
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Stanky old sleeping bag, some random cardboard pieces. One crutch. 1 gallon jug of Thunderbird. A machete. My "paperwork" from the state. Old pair of Chuck Taylor's. A wig. Mein Kampf. fritos.
There are better sources of kindling ...
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I couldn't burn a classic. I could however, burn Mein Kampf. Besides, I'd probably just hollow it out and keep my "meds" in there.
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I'm fortunate in that when I finally found gainful employment again late last year, it was at a location only about 8-10 miles from home (closer to the 8 figure). Also, the company owners are all former marines, and so have no problem with my keeping the XD.45 in my briefcase at all times. If the balloon ever went up, I could hoof it home in about 3 hours, rendezvous with the wife and son (who should have had our bug-out boxes loaded onto the truck by then) and we can bug out to an undisclosed location.
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I live about 40-45 minutes walk from my office and often walk home, I do have a mini first aid kit there so I might take that in case I came across anyone who needed some assistance but otherwise this is the only scenario in which I have an easyish time. (I would stop at an ATM on my way as cash is always useful and maybe pick up a few provisions too to add to my store).
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Well, I officially retired Monday so I'll most likely be at home should the sh*t hit the fan.....
If it were real bad I'd dig a hole on top of a hill on the farm and bury an old school bus or a tractor trailer in it. Then a connecting piece of culvert to a foxhole for defensive purposes....now I'm set.
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Well, I officially retired Monday so I'll most likely be at home should the sh*t hit the fan.....
If it were real bad I'd dig a hole on top of a hill on the farm and bury an old school bus or a tractor trailer in it. Then a connecting piece of culvert to a foxhole for defensive purposes....now I'm set.
Shipping containers.
Cheap. Convenient and easily transported.
Fairly unremarkable to have them around on an agricultural property.
Dig it in, back-fill with concrete, cover with dirt.
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I work out of a van and never know where I might be but most likley in some rich libs house who may or may not be home. Since I carry a gun and knife at all times I would be ready to tackle most any situation that might arise.
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LC~ you can get those containers around here for about 2K, delivered. I have a buddy who bought a few.
If SHTF, upon reflection, at work, I would most definitly go to my boyfriend's parent's house, which is only 4 miles away. They are disabled, so I know my eagle scout would get there at some point. They have enough munitions, survival gear, and food to outlast everyone. (Mom went a little nuts at Y2K.)
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LC~ you can get those containers around here for about 2K, delivered. I have a buddy who bought a few.
If SHTF, upon reflection, at work, I would most definitly go to my boyfriend's parent's house, which is only 4 miles away. They are disabled, so I know my eagle scout would get there at some point. They have enough munitions, survival gear, and food to outlast everyone. (Mom went a little nuts at Y2K.)
I find it interesting that most of us expect to depend on technology in a world where sooner or later there will be none.
Guns will be fine until the Ammo is used up, then what.?
I went checking about the businesses that sell survival gear and found that one place sells of all things a perfect item that I had forgotten all about.
Slingshots, all kinds, wrist rockets to small pocket ones. There are all kind of bags from the plastic to leather to shoot everything from ball barrings to 2 once cleaned up rocks. At the speed of a thrown base ball that 2 ounces will kill in a heart beat or disable anyone hit in the organs. These things like the cross bow and the manual bow and arrow are silent compaired with a gun and have no or little noise or a flash in the dark.
I was eyeing a tool that I use for crafts that will be invaluable, small and light, a box set of different X-ACTO knives and chisels. Worse comes to worse a walking stick can be made using the kit, I have seen these being hand made at country fairs and some are fantastic, makes a good weapon also.
Walking 20 miles in an emergency is tricky, I believe I would just follow the railroad tracks and try to stay as far from others as possible.
I would empty my purse of everything of any weight, cosmetics, hair brushes, just carry ID, Break the glass in the vending machines at work and fill the purse with high calorie candy bars but no salted items as that will cause thirst.
Shoes will be a problem unless one gets in the habit of having sneakers to change into from high heels or men's dress shoes .
Depending on time of the year and the area, one must change plans, one will have to alter plans 4 times a year. In summer a long way home may be safer and in a blizzard and extreme cold, the shortest way home may be best.
Thinking will be fuzzy, the unexpected shock of having the impossible actually happen will turn the majority into stone stupid sheep. Human nature that if a family, group of friends find everything has been turned upside down, their first impulse will be to try to protect the others. People will expect to be saved by others in authority and not panic until they realise the authority's are on the run themselves.
A bomb in a crowed mall will cause much more harm then one placed on a street corner. People on the street will run and spread out keep moving. One in a mall will trap people inclose them prevent them from escape with no idea if there is another bomb under their feet.
Bijou ----Carry that first aid kit for YOURSELF. The stranger you wish to help may slit your throat to get their hands on that kit for themselves. It is not just the mentally ill to fear, it is those that are perfectally sane that will be the most dangerous.
Survival is uppermost in the mind, people will abandon their family, friends and sink into animal behavior without any time to think about what they are doing.
This debate has been going on since the 1950's when people stored water and peanut butter in their cellar as a make do fall out shelter.
So you somehow make it home and find everyone in your family from parents to children didn't make it. Outside of the nature to survive, what at your age do you have to live for that is worth killing others off.? 20-30 years old, everything, 40-50 the skills and knowledge and can do is very valuable. 60-75 is the time to work for others not themselves.
This has been fun so far to contemplate living a life in what was SIFI-in books and movies.
Oh how so many of us lie to ourselves about who or what we are and how we would want to behave in a hard time. Sad, like the old saying, "I would never do that" Oh yes given the circumstances we will without a second thought.
I now have lost the poster that started this whole shebang, it has morphed into other topics, no problem with that Survival is at the top of the list for human needs.
Problem is, humanity only grew and expanded by the collaboration of others. Loan wolves don't last long. eventually these lone folks have to turn to a society to survive or die alone.
America could never have grown had it not been for like minded people gathering and caring for each other. Individuality with in the group, some man may have a knack for growing vegetables while 4 of the neighbors wives can make quilts, sew, knit or crochet.
The government gets all shook up over like minded people that gather together. But it is to our benefit to gather, pray or hoist a beer with those that think like you.
Our technology changes day to day but human nature stays the same, Question Authority.
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Vesta, you need to remember that many of us gun owners have reloading equipment, extra powder, bullets, etc. It will be a long while until that totally runs out. Sling shots, especially ones like the old Wrist Rocket could come in handy, but bear in mind, the average rock has little aerodynamic efficiency. It may kill a small animal such as a squirrel or a rabbit, but that's about it.
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Thinking will be fuzzy, the unexpected shock of having the impossible actually happen will turn the majority into stone stupid sheep. Human nature that if a family, group of friends find everything has been turned upside down, their first impulse will be to try to protect the others. People will expect to be saved by others in authority and not panic until they realise the authority's are on the run themselves.
Well yeah, that is about the size of it. My goal is to NOT be a stone stupid sheep.
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Vesta, you need to remember that many of us gun owners have reloading equipment, extra powder, bullets, etc. It will be a long while until that totally runs out. Sling shots, especially ones like the old Wrist Rocket could come in handy, but bear in mind, the average rock has little aerodynamic efficiency. It may kill a small animal such as a squirrel or a rabbit, but that's about it.
Reloading equipment needs gun power, and brass cartrages to build.
One could go to black power but where the heck can one get it.? How can it be stored safely and kept dry.?
You would be surprised how fast our Ammo will be used up, The Government may have tons of old time missiles with the propellent getting old and dangerous. Some very old bombs have been found in Europe going back to 1940, this stuff is so unstable it may fall apart or blow at any time.
We find ammunition and weapons brought home from former wars and forgotten in an attic. What happens to the Ammo that sits for years and may morph into a problem for the fire department in case of fire.?
Chemistry comes in here, how long should Ammo be kept before it becomes dangerous.?
We know what happens to gas after a year or so, goop. We know we can filter heating oil Kerosene and run them in a diesel auto. But I cannot find any source that can give me a time line on the Ammo grandpa left with his hunting guns back 40 years ago.
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I used to mark my ammo as to when I purchased it. My son is working on a batch right now that is marked 6-9-69 and it's shooting just fine. So 40 year old ammo is good.
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I work out of a van and never know where I might be but most likley in some rich libs house who may or may not be home. Since I carry a gun and knife at all times I would be ready to tackle most any situation that might arise.
Cats, you are a walking victim, you have all your eggs in one basket.
No way will you see a problem coming, you will be seeing what you expect to see, put at ease and when TSHTF you will be too confused to a
So you head out for a wealthy home to repair something, you need a gun or knife.?? What kind of situation could arise at a prive home that makes it necessary to carry a gun.?
I think I would be more afraid of you then anything. So you wander about in a van carring a gun and a knife, darn if I knew that I would keep a shot gun on you as you cleared my plumbing.
You are the problem in this case, you are one SPOOKY Dude.
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Cats, you are a walking victim, you have all your eggs in one basket.
No way will you see a problem coming, you will be seeing what you expect to see, put at ease and when TSHTF you will be too confused to a
So you head out for a wealthy home to repair something, you need a gun or knife.?? What kind of situation could arise at a prive home that makes it necessary to carry a gun.?
I think I would be more afraid of you then anything. So you wander about in a van carring a gun and a knife, darn if I knew that I would keep a shot gun on you as you cleared my plumbing.
You are the problem in this case, you are one SPOOKY Dude.
In my experience, it's NOT the work at someone's house, at least normally, but the trip to and fro. Just remember, when seconds count, the police are minutes away.
I guess that I'm "SPOOKY", too. I carry a gun in my vehicle pursuant to Texas law. :whatever:
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I find it interesting that most of us expect to depend on technology in a world where sooner or later there will be none.
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I spend a bit of time out and about on remote family or individual run mining camps / fishing camps / etc. I like it out there - disconnected from the grid as such. It may seem strange but I like being in a situation where the normal processes of life are so different.
Thus - one of my goals in the next couple of years is to locate and purchase a decent parcel of "unimproved" land with the goal of moving out there and establishing a setup that is as close to self sufficient as is possible.
With the advances in available satellite based internet services - I can continue to work from anywhere you can see the birds from.
That is why I'm more focused in "off the grid" living - people I know do it and their quality of life is actually pretty good. Not being chained to a desk, mortgage and suburban life can be great.
The big bonus is that if society takes a big nosedive into the sewer - Those people will continue to have a pretty good quality of life for the period it takes the rest of us to get our shit in order again.
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Thus - one of my goals in the next couple of years is to locate and purchase a decent parcel of "unimproved" land with the goal of moving out there and establishing a setup that is as close to self sufficient as is possible.
My brother and sis-in-law took the kids to the Dinosaur Valley State Park and to the safari park right near it down in Glen Rose, TX. I have to say the pictures of the valley are stunningly beautiful. If TSHTF it would be a great place to take over. The giraffes and zebra's and stuff are all use to seeing humans in cars and like to stand by the narrow road as they go by looking for the food buckets.
(http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=292430&id=1333433491)
I am trying to get the SIL to scan me a pic of the valley from above.
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My brother and sis-in-law took the kids to the Dinosaur Valley State Park and to the safari park right near it down in Glen Rose, TX. I have to say the pictures of the valley are stunningly beautiful. If TSHTF it would be a great place to take over. The giraffes and zebra's and stuff are all use to seeing humans in cars and like to stand by the narrow road as they go by looking for the food buckets.
(http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=292430&id=1333433491)
I am trying to get the SIL to scan me a pic of the valley from above.
I'm too lazy to do the picture work, but here's a link:
Dinosaur Valley (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Glen+Rose,+Texas&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=39.644047,106.435547&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Glen+Rose,+Somervell,+Texas&ll=32.248922,-97.813854&spn=0.020725,0.05197&t=h&z=15)
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Cats, you are a walking victim, you have all your eggs in one basket.
No way will you see a problem coming, you will be seeing what you expect to see, put at ease and when TSHTF you will be too confused to a
So you head out for a wealthy home to repair something, you need a gun or knife.?? What kind of situation could arise at a prive home that makes it necessary to carry a gun.?
I think I would be more afraid of you then anything. So you wander about in a van carring a gun and a knife, darn if I knew that I would keep a shot gun on you as you cleared my plumbing.
You are the problem in this case, you are one SPOOKY Dude.
Lets see I work in homes that have a home monitor temp sensor installed in them and a lock box outside with a key for me to enter the house. So when the temp drops in the hse I get a call and go to the hse. I enter with the key and feel the cold air as I search for lights and the heating system I see the back door has been kicked in, hence the reason for the temp drop! Now do I need a gun? These houses are all weekend or vacation homes and dispatch calls before I go to see if anyone is home but the cust. has gone out for the evening and the trained to kill dog don't answer the phone and I come waltzing. Now do I need a gun? I get sent to a crack infested part of the inner city and the crack heads think I am an easy mark and the van is full of copper and tools. Now do I need a gun? All of these scenarios have happened to me more than once. Oh yeah, I have been attacked by a drunken customer in his basement. Was that you?
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The scenario: You're at work when the monkey starts humpin' the football. What essentials items do you have in your cubicle or office or job site that will get you safely home, or to the predetermined hunker down spot of choice.
Would you travel alone or with others?
And no cheating because the football humpin' monkey is so big it's clogged all the roads with traffic. No backpack (unless you really keep one in the cubicle or office) so what could you fit in your pockets or carry in your hands to ensure your survival from point A to point B? It's a 72 hour scenario with a hot bath and some soup in a mug waiting for you at the end.
I keep a basic survival kit bag in the trunk of my car.
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Lets see I work in homes that have a home monitor temp sensor installed in them and a lock box outside with a key for me to enter the house. So when the temp drops in the hse I get a call and go to the hse. I enter with the key and feel the cold air as I search for lights and the heating system I see the back door has been kicked in, hence the reason for the temp drop! Now do I need a gun? These houses are all weekend or vacation homes and dispatch calls before I go to see if anyone is home but the cust. has gone out for the evening and the trained to kill dog don't answer the phone and I come waltzing. Now do I need a gun? I get sent to a crack infested part of the inner city and the crack heads think I am an easy mark and the van is full of copper and tools. Now do I need a gun? All of these scenarios have happened to me more than once. Oh yeah, I have been attacked by a drunken customer in his basement. Was that you?
This is so funny, I can imagine from your description a man headed into a at the time vacant home to repair something. As you walk in you realise that the place has been burglarized.
You don't hit the highway, you hang around to see just what the heck has happend, one heck of a story to tell the fellas at the bar tonight-----Yup, I found 6 dead body's, blood everywhere.
Then you went to the basement and found Vesta naked as a jay bird listening to Neal Diamond drinking Thunderbird and smoking a Cuban cigar.
One would think the sight of Vesta in that circumstance would make you forget you have a gun or knife on you. RUNNNNNNNN.
So months later you are at this bar telling the old story of body's and blood. This is getting so old, in passing you mention the woman in the cellar, something so traumatic you have until now blanked out of you mind. People gather to hear this new news and the waitress comes over to bring you another drink. Hi Big Fella, I am your waitress tonight, my name is VESTA.
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This is so funny, I can imagine from your description a man headed into a at the time vacant home to repair something. As you walk in you realise that the place has been burglarized.
You don't hit the highway, you hang around to see just what the heck has happend, one heck of a story to tell the fellas at the bar tonight-----Yup, I found 6 dead body's, blood everywhere.
Then you went to the basement and found Vesta naked as a jay bird listening to Neal Diamond drinking Thunderbird and smoking a Cuban cigar.
One would think the sight of Vesta in that circumstance would make you forget you have a gun or knife on you. RUNNNNNNNN.
So months later you are at this bar telling the old story of body's and blood. This is getting so old, in passing you mention the woman in the cellar, something so traumatic you have until now blanked out of you mind. People gather to hear this new news and the waitress comes over to bring you another drink. Hi Big Fella, I am your waitress tonight, my name is VESTA.
You have quite an imagination! Actually I leave the scene as fast as I can and call the police. They come and with guns drawen go in and scope out the house. Jeeze your spooky!
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You have quite an imagination! Actually I leave the scene as fast as I can and call the police. They come and with guns drawen go in and scope out the house. Jeeze your spooky!
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Lay off my CFO. Vestas' heart is in the right place. She is also a Conservative elder. I find it disappointing that the adults here can't respect each others opinions enough to disagree amicably. Also, I'm sure if you guys keep this up...she'll cut you. That killer instinct is why I made her CFO of the First Bank of Burr.
Nuff said.
So, all you survivalist types, paranoid delusionals' and gun humpers check this scenario out.
Haiti Rocks. (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/major-earthquake-hits-haiti-tsunami-watch-issued/story?id=9544984)
Yup. 7.0 earthquake. Buildings collapsed, no power, no water, no nothin' but a whole lot of freaked out people. Having gone through several of these, all I can think of when I see something like this is..."those guys are fugged."
What would I do? Get liquored up like I did for the last earthquake. It was that or try to (gah) help people.
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Lay off my CFO. Vestas' heart is in the right place. She is also a Conservative elder. I find it disappointing that the adults here can't respect each others opinions enough to disagree amicably. Also, I'm sure if you guys keep this up...she'll cut you. That killer instinct is why I made her CFO of the First Bank of Burr.
Nuff said.
So, all you survivalist types, paranoid delusionals' and gun humpers check this scenario out.
Haiti Rocks. (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/major-earthquake-hits-haiti-tsunami-watch-issued/story?id=9544984)
Yup. 7.0 earthquake. Buildings collapsed, no power, no water, no nothin' but a whole lot of freaked out people. Having gone through several of these, all I can think of when I see something like this is..."those guys are fugged."
What would I do? Get liquored up like I did for the last earthquake. It was that or try to (gah) help people.
I like you. Respect for Conservative Elders, and liquor. :cheersmate:
I heard about Haiti. Different type of situation. I lived in Hurricane Zone for years. I would think the supplies for that particular SHTF, would be much like those in an earthquake. Water supply and communication being key, right after a method of protecting one's self and property. I have never endured an Earthquake, and hope not to. I like my disasters predictable, like Hurricanes. I imagine Haiti is a big ole dust bin right now. Damn
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Haiti Rocks. (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/major-earthquake-hits-haiti-tsunami-watch-issued/story?id=9544984)
Yup. 7.0 earthquake. Buildings collapsed, no power, no water, no nothin' but a whole lot of freaked out people. Having gone through several of these, all I can think of when I see something like this is..."those guys are fugged."
Damage in the tens and tens of dollars.
Seriously though, its real sad
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Damage in the tens and tens of dollars.
Seriously though, its real sad
Indeed it is.
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Well, it's dark now in Haiti. Many people can't get back to their homes. Many buildings are unstable and off limits. Debris and collapsed houses everywhere, oh and lots of freaked out...and hungry people.
Sounds like your average run of the mill disaster scenario. For some reason I just can't picture all these Haitians turning against each other in this time of crisis and going after each other with gunz on a large scale. Neither can I picture most Americans huddling in the basement or taking pot shots at one another after a disaster strikes. Sure, some of that happens, but most people want to help each other. Like they did after the big S.F. quake. Or the one in L.A. Or Mexico City. Or even in the aftermath of Katrina.
I don't know why so many survivalists think having gunz and ammo is the way to go. It's not, as Vesta and I have tried to make the case in our own ways. The way to go is with each other.
You know, E pluribus unum and all that.
Oh, and thanks Mrs. Tots. Can't be a Conservative without respect...and a well stocked liquor cabinet.
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WHat no umpa lumpas from an earthquake?
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The Umpa Lumpa gambit was designed to offer the isolationists an alternative to shootin' their fellow Americans on sight.
This is a real scenario. Thousands of people dead. Infrastructure whacked, and the possibility of a big ass Tsunami killing even more.
If I had Umpa Lumpas, I'd be shipping them to Haiti to help out.....if they got eaten instead, I'd just put that down as a write off on my tax return.
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Well, it's dark now in Haiti. Many people can't get back to their homes. Many buildings are unstable and off limits. Debris and collapsed houses everywhere, oh and lots of freaked out...and hungry people.
Sounds like your average run of the mill disaster scenario. For some reason I just can't picture all these Haitians turning against each other in this time of crisis and going after each other with gunz on a large scale. Neither can I picture most Americans huddling in the basement or taking pot shots at one another after a disaster strikes. Sure, some of that happens, but most people want to help each other. Like they did after the big S.F. quake. Or the one in L.A. Or Mexico City. Or even in the aftermath of Katrina.
I don't know why so many survivalists think having gunz and ammo is the way to go. It's not, as Vesta and I have tried to make the case in our own ways. The way to go is with each other.
You know, E pluribus unum and all that.
Oh, and thanks Mrs. Tots. Can't be a Conservative without respect...and a well stocked liquor cabinet.
Guns will not only provide protection, but will also provide food, provided one is proficient with them. I have what I need and believe me, my guns and ammo will be part of my pack out if we decide to leave the home base for any amount of time or distance. At one point in my life, I was able to fight without weapons and even disarm someone should it be necessary. I can't do that any more. I haz my stockpiles of "good stuff"... ;)
Cats, you are a walking victim, you have all your eggs in one basket.
No way will you see a problem coming, you will be seeing what you expect to see, put at ease and when TSHTF you will be too confused to a
So you head out for a wealthy home to repair something, you need a gun or knife.?? What kind of situation could arise at a prive home that makes it necessary to carry a gun.?
I think I would be more afraid of you then anything. So you wander about in a van carring a gun and a knife, darn if I knew that I would keep a shot gun on you as you cleared my plumbing.
You are the problem in this case, you are one SPOOKY Dude.
Those that would consider gun owners/users "problems" and "SPOOKY" are the ones with problems. We are merely exercising our 2nd Amendment rights. If THAT'S a "problem", then they don't belong in the USA. Perhaps Britain would be a better place.....
BTW, Vesta, have you ever heard of "Situational Awareness"?? Many gun owners practice that. ;)
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That sure would suck!. I would imagine that for quite some time I would be doing whatever I could to try and save some lives.
Vesta just seems so anti gun? In my opinion if you are anti gun you belong over at the dump. Feedom to bear arms is the one right that when lost is the end of freedom at all. Its is the one right that all Conservatives should be fighting the hardest to keep.
T :confused:hat said the thought of her naked as a jay bird listening to Neal Diamond drinking Thunderbird and smoking a Cuban cigar was very disturbing to me.
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I'm sure Mrs. Vesta isn't anti gun, and I'm sure all she needs to do to defend her self is use her Neil Diamond albums as flying guillotines. This is supposed to be a fun thread, and it just irks me that Conservatives would snipe away at each other like...well...like those talking monkeys on the left. (Yes,yes, I know I'm supposed to refer to them as primitives, but I think that appellation confers too much dignity upon them.)
O.K. I think Thor asked somewhere if anyone had seen After Armageddon. I haven't, because I don't watch T.V. However, I saw in the local paper that they filmed that show down in Dewey, about 8 miles from where I am right now. The article had a picture of some fat dude with a beard and floppy hat in the back of a pickup. Oh, and he had his gun and post Apocalyptic scowl. He was in front of his "compound", you know, bent fence posts, barbed wire, other dudes on horseback with gunz. etc... etc...
At first view I couldn't help but notice that A.) He'll never survive Armageddon in that hat, and B.) what's with all the gunz?
I own gunz and I really, really, like controlled detonation of high explosive ordnance. So I get the whole self defense deal. It's just the mindset I don't get. Who's he so afraid of? His neighbors?
After Armageddon I'll most likely check on my neighbors. See if they have enough frito pie and whatnot. I don't plan on having to use my gunz on anything other than stupid and delicious animals....maybe a prius or two.
I just hope if the monkey starts humpin' the football, that it wont serve as an excuse for fat dudes in floppy hats to start shootin' at each other.
Or maybe that will be a good thing as it'll cut down on S.S.I. payouts by FedGov.
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If After Armageddon was the one they were showing last weekend, yeah I saw it. And that was one crazy looking man. Kinda Deliverance-y looking people. THAT is why I want a gun. :uhsure:
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I don't recall seeing that "fat dude" and I watched it twice. Maybe they edited it out. :clueless:
As far as using my gun on other humans, I certainly HOPE that I never am forced to do so. However, knowing mankind as I do, there are enough of them, even now, that would wish to do me or my family harm. They have no soul, no compassion, no regrets about hurting me or another to achieve their goals or do their evil. In a SHTF scenario, those types of people would multiply at an exponential level. Did you not watch the news coverage of the post Katrina incidents?? My God, these assholes were firing on military RESCUE helicopters trying to render aid and assistance to people !!! Lord knows what the hell they'd do to a normal citizen.... Prepare for the worst, HOPE for the best.
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I don't recall seeing that "fat dude" and I watched it twice. Maybe they edited it out. :clueless:
I think he was at that road block.
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I dunno......... I recall one at the road block that was rather adamant about the family not entering their town. Anyways, I don't know whether or not AB has ever attended any type of shooting sports gathering. Many of the shooters are rather overweight to even obese. The vast majority of them possess the same attitude as I do. They hope NOT to have to shoot somebody, but will do so if the situation requires it. I only know of a dozen carry advocates/ licensees in MN that have ever had to pull their gun and less than that who have ever fired their guns at someone. (IIR, two, maybe three up to the point I left)
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I dunno......... I recall one at the road block that was rather adamant about the family not entering their town. Anyways, I don't know whether or not AB has ever attended any type of shooting sports gathering. Many of the shooters are rather overweight to even obese. The vast majority of them possess the same attitude as I do. They hope NOT to have to shoot somebody, but will do so if the situation requires it. I only know of a dozen carry advocates/ licensees in MN that have ever had to pull their gun and less than that who have ever fired their guns at someone. (IIR, two, maybe three up to the point I left)
True. I think that show portrayed all the people with guns, except maybe that sheriff in a poor light. Everyone was made to look all deliverance-y. Of all the gun people I know, I only know of a few that pulled their guns, in their own house, but those people lived off of Beacon and Columbia in Dallas, and well, if you know the area, you know why. The cops didn't even like to go there.
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I think he was at that road block.
:rotf: :rotf: we have some very Witty people in here, Great!!!
Anti-gun you say, I wonder what I have in my 2 ton gun safe, GOLD, or Diamonds.?
Anti-gun, yeah, for those with $500.00 and no idea how to take the safety off one of them.
I can head out for the range and spend a Sunday blowing up everything in sight, big deal. Then I can awake in the night to strange sounds and blow my ***** or dog , not to mention my own big toe away.
Give me a break, shooting a rabid dog, rattlesnake or bear is one thing, pulling the trigger on a human being is much different.
I was raised in hunting family's, they brought in game and did shooting for sport, except in war time guns were not needed for protection.
Grandma had her wonderful Sheleia stick beside the door, old sleeping farm dog before the stove, she had no fear.
Today I carry a stun gun that I forget about in my purse. Bought in the mid 1980's and still have no idea if it actually works. No frogs were harmed in any trials.
Body language can do much to discourage others, I delivered Pizza to the Ghettos, skinny, white woman with $20.00 and a big pizza with the darn thing under the pizza. Must have been the body language as every night I hoped someone would try to grab the food so I could try out my new toy. No luck, soon as the midnight folks saw me they all disappeared off to some where.
A gun has all the leagel questions that come if you must use it, stun guns have few.
Rather try anything from a cast iron skillet to a BBQ fork before a gun---those are for the very last resort.
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I'm sure Mrs. Vesta isn't anti gun, and I'm sure all she needs to do to defend her self is use her Neil Diamond albums as flying guillotines. This is supposed to be a fun thread, and it just irks me that Conservatives would snipe away at each other like...well...like those talking monkeys on the left. (Yes,yes, I know I'm supposed to refer to them as primitives, but I think that appellation confers too much dignity upon them.)
O.K. I think Thor asked somewhere if anyone had seen After Armageddon. I haven't, because I don't watch T.V. However, I saw in the local paper that they filmed that show down in Dewey, about 8 miles from where I am right now. The article had a picture of some fat dude with a beard and floppy hat in the back of a pickup. Oh, and he had his gun and post Apocalyptic scowl. He was in front of his "compound", you know, bent fence posts, barbed wire, other dudes on horseback with gunz. etc... etc...
If the crap hits the fan I doubt there would soon be many fat guys.
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Only if all those dudes quit workin' and start huddling in their basements. Or we could just go with the Umpa Lumpas as a source of nutrients.
O.K. I'm going to have to scan the photo from the paper. In the meantime I'll replace the derogatory term "fat" with "cross eyed" instead. The gentleman in question is wearing sun glasses so it's hard to tell...but it stands to reason.
Anyway, about that After Armageddon show...
It was produced by Randy Murry. Who's he? You tell me. Crazy Socialist Bastard.com (http://www.randymurrayproductions.com/)
So from my perspective, the show is designed to A.) make gun owners look nuts, and B.) create an atmosphere of fear, mistrust, and angst.
Didn't someone once say "If you don't know the history of the author you don't know what you're reading.." or something like that?
Same goes for the idjit box. Especially the idjit box.
So go make friends with your neighbors, become a block captain, run for city council, whatever. Just work to preserve the Union. that's the best survival plan there is.
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So from my perspective, the show is designed to A.) make gun owners look nuts, and B.) create an atmosphere of fear, mistrust, and angst.
Oh yeah, that was quite evident from the show.
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So from my perspective, the show is designed to A.) make gun owners look nuts, and B.) create an atmosphere of fear, mistrust, and angst.
... So go make friends with your neighbors, become a block captain, run for city council, whatever. Just work to preserve the Union. that's the best survival plan there is.
I have a couple of neighbor friends and my girlfriend's family is in the 'hood. That said, I trust NO ONE in the neighborhood. When push comes to shove, in a bad situation, people will attempt to take what you have. Did you watch that survival show "experiment" called, "The Colony" on the Discovery Channel?? That made things pretty clear as to how things could unfold.
If you missed it, you can get a synopsis here: http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/colony/colony.html
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I have a couple of neighbor friends and my girlfriend's family is in the 'hood. That said, I trust NO ONE in the neighborhood. When push comes to shove, in a bad situation, people will attempt to take what you have. Did you watch that survival show "experiment" called, "The Colony" on the Discovery Channel?? That made things pretty clear as to how things could unfold.
If you missed it, you can get a synopsis here: http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/colony/colony.html
In my neighborhood, I have two families I would trust. They are older than me, and both men served in Vietnam. They liked me right away, because I moved in right before the 4th, and displayed my flag. :-) Aside from that, I wouldn't trust anyone else. One of my neighbors has a goat. I need to find that goat. HA!
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Really Thor? You trust NO ONE? Have you considered moving? We kick ass. (http://www.visit-prescott.com/Latest-News/why-prescott-arizona-is-on-everyones-list.html) Yeah, I know it's not Texas, but after Armageddon we can call it Wester Texas.
This is a HUGE Navy town. Hell, the local radio station taunts Army for weeks leading up to the big game, it's hilarious.
Thanks for the link, but I don't watch T.V. The site looks like yet another silly lib fantasy about Mad Max et all. I prefer this place. Ol' School Survivin' (http://www.philmont.com/page.php?page=site/home.php)
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:rotf: :rotf: we have some very Witty people in here, Great!!!
Anti-gun you say, I wonder what I have in my 2 ton gun safe, GOLD, or Diamonds.?
Anti-gun, yeah, for those with $500.00 and no idea how to take the safety off one of them.
I can head out for the range and spend a Sunday blowing up everything in sight, big deal. Then I can awake in the night to strange sounds and blow my ***** or dog , not to mention my own big toe away.
Give me a break, shooting a rabid dog, rattlesnake or bear is one thing, pulling the trigger on a human being is much different.
I was raised in hunting family's, they brought in game and did shooting for sport, except in war time guns were not needed for protection.
Grandma had her wonderful Sheleia stick beside the door, old sleeping farm dog before the stove, she had no fear.
Today I carry a stun gun that I forget about in my purse. Bought in the mid 1980's and still have no idea if it actually works. No frogs were harmed in any trials.
Body language can do much to discourage others, I delivered Pizza to the Ghettos, skinny, white woman with $20.00 and a big pizza with the darn thing under the pizza. Must have been the body language as every night I hoped someone would try to grab the food so I could try out my new toy. No luck, soon as the midnight folks saw me they all disappeared off to some where.
A gun has all the leagel questions that come if you must use it, stun guns have few.
Rather try anything from a cast iron skillet to a BBQ fork before a gun---those are for the very last resort.
OK I got the feeling you thought I was some kind of gun nut? Don't forget I live in NY and have a CCP. I had to go before 2 judges to get it! My gun has never left its holster and I hope it never has to. I like the feel of it there and when talking about the humpin monkey I just figure it will come in very handy. I hate monkeys by the way. Other than that I thought we were having fun.
Its the cigar that really bothered me. I think it has something to do with Clinton?
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Really Thor? You trust NO ONE? Have you considered moving? We kick ass. (http://www.visit-prescott.com/Latest-News/why-prescott-arizona-is-on-everyones-list.html) Yeah, I know it's not Texas, but after Armageddon we can call it Wester Texas.
This is a HUGE Navy town. Hell, the local radio station taunts Army for weeks leading up to the big game, it's hilarious.
Thanks for the link, but I don't watch T.V. The site looks like yet another silly lib fantasy about Mad Max et all. I prefer this place. Ol' School Survivin' (http://www.philmont.com/page.php?page=site/home.php)
Outside of my exclusively small circle of friends and family, no, I trust no one. That's now in my nature as I have been forced to learn that the hard way. Hell, I didn't even trust my ex-wife's family as I saw & experienced how they were. I could go into all that, but it's somewhat personal and definitely belongs in another board.
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Outside of my exclusively small circle of friends and family, no, I trust no one. That's now in my nature as I have been forced to learn that the hard way. Hell, I didn't even trust my ex-wife's family as I saw & experienced how they were. I could go into all that, but it's somewhat personal and definitely belongs in another board.
I know someone like you. He is my boyfriend. He keeps me balanced, from getting into trouble for not being so much like him. It is probably a very good thing. :-)
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OK I got the feeling you thought I was some kind of gun nut? Don't forget I live in NY and have a CCP. I had to go before 2 judges to get it! My gun has never left its holster and I hope it never has to. I like the feel of it there and when talking about the humpin monkey I just figure it will come in very handy. I hate monkeys by the way. Other than that I thought we were having fun.
Its the cigar that really bothered me. I think it has something to do with Clinton?
For crying out loud, what is wrong with monkeys in NY.?
Out side of that drunk, drugged chimp that ate that Lady's face last year, the little ones are now being trained as service animals. Problem is their tail has to be docked.
Now that YOU mentioned it, have you or anyone else ever seen a photo of Clinton smoking a cigar after that bit of TMI came out.? We never were told if his cigars were rolled by Cuban woman on their body's. Takes allot of talent to do that, I tried it once and what a mess. They had this stripper in San Francisco years ago that could roll a carton of them things in 3 minutes flat----but that's another story.
We Yankees in our wisdom buy those packs of cigarette sized cigars so we can go to a Cigar Club Bar as cigarettes in bars are a thing of the past up here. Also they cost about $1.50 a pack.
Humping Monkeys indeed, where would Eric Clapton be today had he given that name to his band.
Not a bad name for a biker gang, much better then the Tulips.----Memory's of Rob and Laura Pettrie.
As for on topic, I have read about wartime Germany when people would scour the streets looking for a cast off butt of a cigarette, tobacco is a powerful draw for even the wealthiest people. Excellent trading tool, better then most drugs or medication.
Clinton and cigars, humping monkeys, wow I wonder what I will dream about tonight.?
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Ok.Ok. The term "monkey humpin' a football" is courtesy of a former acquaintance and co worker. We were in another country and came walking out of a hotel to witness a mini riot/gang fight/jamboree taking place right in front of us. The general chaos and incompetent looting skills of the participants (one guy trying to make off with a big fat T.V.) prompted my friend to remark. "Look at that, just like a monkey tryin' to hump a football."
I've used the phrase ever since. The visual is quite amusing. It's a catch all for whenever stuff goes spectacularly wrong.
And monkeys are delicious...and fit right in the crock pot.
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Only if all those dudes quit workin' and start huddling in their basements. Or we could just go with the Umpa Lumpas as a source of nutrients.
O.K. I'm going to have to scan the photo from the paper. In the meantime I'll replace the derogatory term "fat" with "cross eyed" instead. The gentleman in question is wearing sun glasses so it's hard to tell...but it stands to reason.
Anyway, about that After Armageddon show...
It was produced by Randy Murry. Who's he? You tell me. Crazy Socialist Bastard.com (http://www.randymurrayproductions.com/)
So from my perspective, the show is designed to A.) make gun owners look nuts, and B.) create an atmosphere of fear, mistrust, and angst.
Didn't someone once say "If you don't know the history of the author you don't know what you're reading.." or something like that?
Same goes for the idjit box. Especially the idjit box.
So go make friends with your neighbors, become a block captain, run for city council, whatever. Just work to preserve the Union. that's the best survival plan there is.
Aaron I have you covered. As CFO I arranged to buy us a state Senator and 3 selectman in town.
Don't cost much, and the windfall is Amazing.---------I checked the pork and one Senator was bought for a miserly $3,000 and the package of photo's.
The County Sheriff is difficult, he is honest as the day is long so a little finesse may be called for. Yup, going to do this the American way, American ingenuity, depending on how we have been taught from family's, Church or schools.
Thor says he trusts few, good idea, but he has a problem, he over trusts himself, worse mistake one can make is as Shakesphere said is to not know thyself.
I believe this is a huge problem for Obama, he puts trust in others to help him run the country and has not come to grips with himself. He sees only his virtues and ignores his own faults.
However, your ranch the what name do you give it------I think of it as the Circle AB is going strong, My 19 year old daughter had a date with the Mayor, out of town, do you want to put her on the employee list as a undercover associate.?
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I...I think I love you.
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I...I think I love you.
Too sweet!
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Safety. My CFO is apparently taking over my town. Did you read Vestas post? Wow. Either great minds think alike or she's been checking up on E.C..org. Either way it's comedy gold.
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Sometimes you have to read a little bit, but then that daggum zinger gets in, and whoa! The clarity. I dig it.
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I wonder if she likes motorcycles. I'm planning on picking up a few more for the bank. Nothin' like mechanized mayhem when you're trying to foreclose on some isolationists "compound".
I may get a sidecar rig, but Floyd thinks those are "semi-pro". Personally, I look forward to having a place to store all those extra frito pies.
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I wonder if she likes motorcycles. I'm planning on picking up a few more for the bank. Nothin' like mechanized mayhem when you're trying to foreclose on some isolationists "compound".
I may get a sidecar rig, but Floyd thinks those are "semi-pro". Personally, I look forward to having a place to store all those extra frito pies.
That is proper use of a sidecar!!
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That is proper use of a sidecar!!
Well, it is if you can't get a machinegunner to ride with you, anyway.
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Well, it is if you can't get a machinegunner to ride with you, anyway.
That is an interesting visual.
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I wonder if she likes motorcycles. I'm planning on picking up a few more for the bank. Nothin' like mechanized mayhem when you're trying to foreclose on some isolationists "compound".
I may get a sidecar rig, but Floyd thinks those are "semi-pro". Personally, I look forward to having a place to store all those extra frito pies.
Whoa, hang on there! Just who is Floyd and how much does he contribute to your campaign?
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Whoa, hang on there! Just who is Floyd and how much does he contribute to your campaign?
I am Floyd. What campaign? And I LOVE Frito pies.
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I am Floyd. What campaign? And I LOVE Frito pies.
Ah, okay. Just funnin' about the campaign, though it could mean the Campaign to Document Monkeys Humping Footballs. (I'd contribute a small sum.)
Fritos are manna from heaven. Everybody knows that.
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For crying out loud, what is wrong with monkeys in NY.?
Out side of that drunk, drugged chimp that ate that Lady's face last year, the little ones are now being trained as service animals. Problem is their tail has to be docked.
Now that YOU mentioned it, have you or anyone else ever seen a photo of Clinton smoking a cigar after that bit of TMI came out.? We never were told if his cigars were rolled by Cuban woman on their body's. Takes allot of talent to do that, I tried it once and what a mess. They had this stripper in San Francisco years ago that could roll a carton of them things in 3 minutes flat----but that's another story.
We Yankees in our wisdom buy those packs of cigarette sized cigars so we can go to a Cigar Club Bar as cigarettes in bars are a thing of the past up here. Also they cost about $1.50 a pack.
Humping Monkeys indeed, where would Eric Clapton be today had he given that name to his band.
Not a bad name for a biker gang, much better then the Tulips.----Memory's of Rob and Laura Pettrie.
As for on topic, I have read about wartime Germany when people would scour the streets looking for a cast off butt of a cigarette, tobacco is a powerful draw for even the wealthiest people. Excellent trading tool, better then most drugs or medication.
Clinton and cigars, humping monkeys, wow I wonder what I will dream about tonight.?
Aaron I have you covered. As CFO I arranged to buy us a state Senator and 3 selectman in town.
Don't cost much, and the windfall is Amazing.---------I checked the pork and one Senator was bought for a miserly $3,000 and the package of photo's.
The County Sheriff is difficult, he is honest as the day is long so a little finesse may be called for. Yup, going to do this the American way, American ingenuity, depending on how we have been taught from family's, Church or schools.
Thor says he trusts few, good idea, but he has a problem, he over trusts himself, worse mistake one can make is as Shakesphere said is to not know thyself.
I believe this is a huge problem for Obama, he puts trust in others to help him run the country and has not come to grips with himself. He sees only his virtues and ignores his own faults.
However, your ranch the what name do you give it------I think of it as the Circle AB is going strong, My 19 year old daughter had a date with the Mayor, out of town, do you want to put her on the employee list as a undercover associate.?
Let's keep ON TOPIC, Vesta.........
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Let's keep ON TOPIC, Vesta.........
You actually wrote that with a straight face...?
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You actually wrote that with a straight face...?
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Sorry Thor, the topic can cover so much ground and seep into other areas. It is difficult for me to have tunnel vision, you know I tend to think outside the box.
It's OK Tanker, everyone needs a good critic to set them straight, Thor is my impartial critic, he holds me on a short leash. Valuable man, keeps things in perspective for me.
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Sorry Thor, the topic can cover so much ground and seep into other areas. It is difficult for me to have tunnel vision, you know I tend to think outside the box.
It's OK Tanker, everyone needs a good critic to set them straight, Thor is my impartial critic, he holds me on a short leash. Valuable man, keeps things in perspective for me.
Ya know Vesta.....you are kind of cool. Just sayin.