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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Wretched Excess on January 24, 2008, 11:54:30 PM
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Bleachers7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-23-08 12:46 PM
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DU Admins know how you're voting in polls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2741812#2742350 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2741812#2742350)
Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-23-08 02:00 PM
Response to Original message
40. Yes, we know know how you vote in polls.
We have never made a secret of the fact that we can see how you vote in polls. In fact, I admitted it just a couple days ago, in a thread eerily similar to the "dogshit" thread, albeit not nearly as over-the-top. For the record, the "dogshit" poll is only the second time we have ever banned people for voting a particular way in poll. The first time was a few months back -- I can't remember the exact wording, but the basic idea was that the Holocaust was a fraud perpetrated by Jews.
This is really quite simple.
I would prefer not to be the administrator of a website where 40% of poll respondents are perfectly comfortable expressing their agreement -- for whatever reason -- with the idea that "black Christians are dogshit." I would also prefer not to be the administrator of a website where a bunch of people are perfectly comfortable expressing their agreement -- for whatever reason -- with the idea that the Holocaust was a fraud perpetrated by Jews.
I also believe that the vast majority of people here would prefer that they not be associated with a website where a significant proportion of our membership expresses agreement with the idea that "black Christians are dogshit" or that the Holocaust was a fraud perpetrated by Jews.
Oh, and then there's the fact that we have many fellow DUers -- black Christians and Jews -- who probably don't appreciate knowing that a significant proportion of DU members are willing to vote for the racist or anti-semitic option on polls.
As I said, we would prefer that our site not be known as a place where its okay to say that "black Christians are dogshit" or that the Holocaust is a fraud perpetrated by Jews. If members think it's productive or funny to make it look like we tolerate that kind of thing, then they should be prepared to take the consequences.
This is all probably going to be moot anyway. Because in a few months when we unveil our complete overhaul of the site, how you vote on polls is probably going to be made public so everyone can see it.
2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-23-08 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #52
68. Another question, as an Agnostic I have no dog at this party
but would you have the same policy if the poll was- "White Christians are dogshit" ?
Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-23-08 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #68
80. Honestly, I'm not sure.
White Christians don't really have a history of being victims of discrimination or racism in our society.
If people are smart they won't test the boundaries to find out what we would do. Obviously, calling any group of people "dogshit" based solely on their skin color or religion or other irrelevant characteristic is despicable.
Linky (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4169960#4170818)
Still farming this thread, but I found this last exchange interesting.
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Gotta love a site that bans people for voting the wrong way on a stupid poll.
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Gotta love a site that bans people for voting the wrong way on a stupid poll.
it was a pretty vicious poll. "are black christians dogshit?". it's strange that they left the offensive poll undeleted, though. it's at the link on the original DU post. they are making a "statement", I suppose.
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Gotta love a site that bans people for voting the wrong way on a stupid poll.
it was a pretty vicious poll. "are black christians dogshit?". it's strange that they left the offensive poll undeleted, though. it's at the link on the original DU post. they are making a "statement", I suppose.
Vicious poll or not I think it's wrong to ban folks for that. Hell there are times I vote in polls with a smart ass answer.
I do find it strange too that it wasn't nuked must be $kimmer left it up as an example.
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I support that action. If Reb didn't want rascist pricks here, would any of us say anything about him banning them?
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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-23-08 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #40
70. Why wasn't the person who started that poll banned?
Just wondering.
Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-23-08 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #70
79. He was not banned...
...because he did not express agreement with the idea that "black Christians are dogshit."
I'm not going to defend the guy. His poll was crap, no doubt. But posting crap has never been a one-strike-and-you're-out offense on DU. Particularly now during primary season, when half the messages posted here are crap.
:rotf: someone has nearly terminal PMS.
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I support that action. If Reb didn't want rascist pricks here, would any of us say anything about him banning them?
I would think that we would weed out the racist pricks by their posts not a vote in a poll.
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I support that action. If Reb didn't want rascist pricks here, would any of us say anything about him banning them?
I doubt that poll would last long enough here to get voted on, followed by a "what the hell are you thinking" PM. things would progress from there.
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I support that action. If Reb didn't want rascist pricks here, would any of us say anything about him banning them?
I would think that we would weed out the racist pricks by their posts not a vote in a poll.
Work smarter, not harder.
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I support that action. If Reb didn't want rascist pricks here, would any of us say anything about him banning them?
I would think that we would weed out the racist pricks by their posts not a vote in a poll.
Work smarter, not harder.
WE made a good point if some chucklehead here posted a poll like that in the first place it probably wouldn't be there long enough to get any votes.
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True, and I doubt the admin here would use such a method. But it's one that works. Can't begrudge a man for using something like that on a forum 50 times the size of this one.
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True, and I doubt the admin here would use such a method. But it's one that works. Can't begrudge a man for using something like that on a forum 50 times the size of this one.
Well he is just trying to cover up the true colors of his followers.
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WE made a good point if some chucklehead here posted a poll like that in the first place it probably wouldn't be there long enough to get any votes.
it wouldn't if I saw it. and I am sure any of the mods or admins would whack it as well.
(quote tags trimmed just for you :-))
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True, and I doubt the admin here would use such a method. But it's one that works. Can't begrudge a man for using something like that on a forum 50 times the size of this one.
Well he is just trying to cover up the true colors of his followers.
I actually thought the thread was as anti-christian as it was racist. but that is just my take.
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WE made a good point if some chucklehead here posted a poll like that in the first place it probably wouldn't be there long enough to get any votes.
it wouldn't if I saw it. and I am sure any of the mods or admins would whack it as well.
(quote tags trimmed just for you :-))
lol thanks. A few lines are ok it's when they take up 1/2 the page that it gets to me.
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True, and I doubt the admin here would use such a method. But it's one that works. Can't begrudge a man for using something like that on a forum 50 times the size of this one.
Well he is just trying to cover up the true colors of his followers.
No, he was trying to get rid of the types of people he didn't want on his forum. Skinners a moonbat, I'll give him that. But he does have the courage to draw the lines at some behaviors, and I'll tip my hat to him on that.
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True, and I doubt the admin here would use such a method. But it's one that works. Can't begrudge a man for using something like that on a forum 50 times the size of this one.
Well he is just trying to cover up the true colors of his followers.
No, he was trying to get rid of the types of people he didn't want on his forum. Skinners a moonbat, I'll give him that. But he does have the courage to draw the lines at some behaviors, and I'll tip my hat to him on that.
Then he needs to ban a hell of a lot more people there a lot of DUmmies are racist.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-23-08 02:00 PM
Response to Original message
40. Yes, we know know how you vote in polls.
SNIP...
I would prefer not to be the administrator of a website where 40% of poll respondents are perfectly comfortable expressing their agreement -- for whatever reason -- with the idea that "black Christians are dogshit." I would also prefer not to be the administrator of a website where a bunch of people are perfectly comfortable expressing their agreement -- for whatever reason -- with the idea that the Holocaust was a fraud perpetrated by Jews.
END SNIP...
Does he not realize that he IS the administrator of a website where 40% of poll respondents are perfectly comfortable expressing their agreement -- for whatever reason -- with the idea that black Christians, as well as all other Christians, are dogshit.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-23-08 02:00 PM
Response to Original message
40. Yes, we know know how you vote in polls.
SNIP...
I would prefer not to be the administrator of a website where 40% of poll respondents are perfectly comfortable expressing their agreement -- for whatever reason -- with the idea that "black Christians are dogshit." I would also prefer not to be the administrator of a website where a bunch of people are perfectly comfortable expressing their agreement -- for whatever reason -- with the idea that the Holocaust was a fraud perpetrated by Jews.
END SNIP...
Does he not realize that he IS the administrator of a website where 40% of poll respondents are perfectly comfortable expressing their agreement -- for whatever reason -- with the idea that black Christians, as well as all other Christians, are dogshit.
yeah, that ship has already sailed, hasn't it? if he was being truthful, he would have said that he didn't want anyone to know that he was the admin of a site where 40% of the members are racist and/or anti-christian.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-23-08 02:00 PM
Response to Original message
40. Yes, we know know how you vote in polls.
SNIP...
I would prefer not to be the administrator of a website where 40% of poll respondents are perfectly comfortable expressing their agreement -- for whatever reason -- with the idea that "black Christians are dogshit." I would also prefer not to be the administrator of a website where a bunch of people are perfectly comfortable expressing their agreement -- for whatever reason -- with the idea that the Holocaust was a fraud perpetrated by Jews.
END SNIP...
Does he not realize that he IS the administrator of a website where 40% of poll respondents are perfectly comfortable expressing their agreement -- for whatever reason -- with the idea that black Christians, as well as all other Christians, are dogshit.
yeah, that ship has already sailed, hasn't it? if he was being truthful, he would have said that he didn't want anyone to know that he was the admin of a site where 40% of the members are racist and/or anti-christian.
That's what strikes me as odd/hypocritical/disingenuous. How can you not see the bigotry. I guess, to a DUmmie, becoming a socialist absolves you of your personal beliefs and skin color.
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yeah, that ship has already sailed, hasn't it? if he was being truthful, he would have said that he didn't want anyone to know that he was the admin of a site where 40% of the members are racist and/or anti-christian.
Bullseye, Wretch.
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We can't see how people vote in polls. I like it that way.
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Bleachers7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-23-08 12:46 PM
Original message
DU Admins know how you're voting in polls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2741812#2742350 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2741812#2742350)
Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-23-08 02:00 PM
Response to Original message
40. Yes, we know know how you vote in polls.
We have never made a secret of the fact that we can see how you vote in polls. In fact, I admitted it just a couple days ago, in a thread eerily similar to the "dogshit" thread, albeit not nearly as over-the-top. For the record, the "dogshit" poll is only the second time we have ever banned people for voting a particular way in poll. The first time was a few months back -- I can't remember the exact wording, but the basic idea was that the Holocaust was a fraud perpetrated by Jews.
This is really quite simple.
I would prefer not to be the administrator of a website where 40% of poll respondents are perfectly comfortable expressing their agreement -- for whatever reason -- with the idea that "black Christians are dogshit." I would also prefer not to be the administrator of a website where a bunch of people are perfectly comfortable expressing their agreement -- for whatever reason -- with the idea that the Holocaust was a fraud perpetrated by Jews.
I also believe that the vast majority of people here would prefer that they not be associated with a website where a significant proportion of our membership expresses agreement with the idea that "black Christians are dogshit" or that the Holocaust was a fraud perpetrated by Jews.
Oh, and then there's the fact that we have many fellow DUers -- black Christians and Jews -- who probably don't appreciate knowing that a significant proportion of DU members are willing to vote for the racist or anti-semitic option on polls.
As I said, we would prefer that our site not be known as a place where its okay to say that "black Christians are dogshit" or that the Holocaust is a fraud perpetrated by Jews. If members think it's productive or funny to make it look like we tolerate that kind of thing, then they should be prepared to take the consequences.
This is all probably going to be moot anyway. Because in a few months when we unveil our complete overhaul of the site, how you vote on polls is probably going to be made public so everyone can see it.
2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-23-08 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #52
68. Another question, as an Agnostic I have no dog at this party
but would you have the same policy if the poll was- "White Christians are dogshit" ?
Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-23-08 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #68
80. Honestly, I'm not sure.
White Christians don't really have a history of being victims of discrimination or racism in our society.
If people are smart they won't test the boundaries to find out what we would do. Obviously, calling any group of people "dogshit" based solely on their skin color or religion or other irrelevant characteristic is despicable.
Linky (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4169960#4170818)
Still farming this thread, but I found this last exchange interesting.
Whew! I almost voted in that poll and was going to reply "No just white christians are dogshit :whatever:" So what skins is saying is "Feel free to bash Christians at will,just make sure their white" So brave that one :whatever:
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Gotta love a site that bans people for voting the wrong way on a stupid poll.
Yeah, that's a CLASSIC DU move. They ban people for anything over there. It's amazing they have the number of 1000+ posters that they do.
I made a post long ago with a mole I had in a thread about crime. They were rambling on how Blacks are treated unfairly and unjustly put in prison. I pointed out that Blacks account for roughly 13% of our population and roughly 70% of the nations violent crime (citing FBI statistics). I said such statistics aren't racist, they are factual and they point to a deeper problem - and as long as we didn't address the root causes of violence in Black communities the problem would persist and only get worse. I suggested it was a cultural problem, not a racial problem and one that could be fixed with the support of the community.
I was banned.
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Yeah, that's a CLASSIC DU move. They ban people for anything over there. It's amazing they have the number of 1000+ posters that they do.
K&R
....that's how. :-)
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Obviously, calling any group of people "dogshit" based solely on their skin color or religion or other irrelevant characteristic is despicable.
Unless you are a Conservative of course...
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I support that action. If Reb didn't want rascist pricks here, would any of us say anything about him banning them?
Unless they hate the joooooooos? Oh wait, that was TOS. ;)
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-25-08 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #139
173. That's because it's OK to call evangelicals "dogshit" on DU.
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 10:07 AM by Leopolds Ghost
Prove to me it isn't.
I thoroughly detest this "new" policy and will probably vote with my feet, purely as a matter of principle, because I KNOW it'll be applied unfairly -- it already has, in this very series of threads. It is a power that should never be given. I don't care WHO "owns" the internet it doesn't give them the "right" to spy on their own user data without a damn good reason such as a direct site violation.
OR we could have a link on every page: "I am a Republican" click and you get banned. It's a clickable option right?
I RUN a public forum, albeit small -- and have participated in
neighborhood BBSes facing these issues time and again, though
they never solved them in this fashion.
Maybe DU should have a Christian haters forum while we're at it,
since people are more likely to get threads locked DEFENDING religion
and religious Democrats.
It's so helpful to have a legalistic approach of "it's a private site not a public forum and you are a guest (so I can shoot you if you don't leave when I ask)" instead of relying on liberal discourse that is the main alternative to that old approach to discourse.
the rebellion continues . . . maybe Gonad should have just deleted the damn poll.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-25-08 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #139
173. That's because it's OK to call evangelicals "dogshit"
Sort of O/T, but I find the term "evangelicals" to be silly. Mostly because it is used in the same contemptuous tone that "the Religious Right" is used. Sounds like the liberals found a new label for the same old thing (kinda like "progressive").
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-25-08 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #139
173. That's because it's OK to call evangelicals "dogshit"
Sort of O/T, but I find the term "evangelicals" to be silly. Mostly because it is used in the same contemptuous tone that "the Religious Right" is used. Sounds like the liberals found a new label for the same old thing (kinda like "progressive").
I believe the poll thread that started this drama thread used the term "christians".
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Vote or Diebold
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Cue the "Big Skinner is Watching You" graphic....