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17 YO dies after stopping treatment for cancer to give birth
« on: December 29, 2011, 08:39:53 AM »
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Pregnant girl, 17, skips cancer care to save her baby — and loses her own life
from the story she got pregnant after she found out she had cancer. i will say that i think she had a right to make the choice she did. but from what i read i just don't agree with it. they say the tumors had started to shrink and it seems like they thought she could stop treatment for a while to have the baby and continue treatment again.

maybe if she were older. but i just have a hard time with the decisions she made. is there anyone on here who can agree with her side. i'm not talking about whether you think she had a right to it as i support that also but if you agree with her decision.

of course if i was 17 and got pregnant and even without cancer or any health issues i would probably still have an abortion.

<A day after the Nov. 9 birth, Phillips learned that her daughter's decision to forgo treatment for tumors on her brain and spine so she could carry the baby would have fatal repercussions. The cancer had marked too much territory. Nothing could be done, Phillips said.

It was only 12 days past the birth - half spent in the hospital and the other half at home - before Jenni was gone.

Even so, her family and friends insist her legacy is not one centered in tragedy, but rather in sacrifice.>

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/a-mother-love-pregnant-girl-17-skips-cancer-care-save-baby-loses-life-article-1.997446#ixzz1ht0NlK69

Most of the replies agree with her decision, but there are a few selfish DUmmies who believe that abortion is the only true choice.

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Wed Dec 28, 2011, 09:42 PM

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8. well i agree it's not a tragedy but rather a darwin award

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very hard for me to have any sympathy for anyone of any age who makes the choice to get pregnant after a cancer diagnosis

if you want to kill yourself, do it honestly, instead of getting a child involved who will have the guilt hanging over its head lifelong

there is nothing on her side to agree with, it sounds like she was severely mentally ill, chemotherapy does affect the brain and sometimes the ability to make good decisions


this is assuming what you and the story say is true -- that we are not talking about someone already pregnant who found out she had cancer and decided to sacrifice her life for the child, we're talking about someone who had the cancer FIRST and THEN got pregnant, effectively creating the perfect excuse for not being able to continue w. chemo

in that case she wanted to die and i do not celebrate a 17 year old choosing death and using a baby as an excuse for suicide

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14. Unfortunately, this is going to be held up as how every woman should do it, no matter what.

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Different situations are different. Sounds like this girl had no perfect outcome no matter what. Others have cancer or other serious illnesses and may have a good chance to fully recover. However, right to lifers believe there is a one size fits all solution to all these stories.

This story will make the rounds as "she did the right thing, other women are selfish evil murders because they want to save themselves first." There's a propaganda war going on out there. I've seen to many Fundamentalist Christian stories about these sorts of cases - they really try to make women who choose to save themselves feel like they are going to hell - literally.

All of us will have to answer for the decisions we make.

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21. Stupid choice. What are the chances the baby will develop the same cancer in it teens or early 20's?

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Has anyone heard of hereditary problems?
Getting pregnant after a cancer diagnosis is not a sign of genius. With 7 Billion of us, the baby would not be missed.

Idiot.

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...about what you posted, and then apologize to all on DU who are cancer victims, survivors, or friends or relatives of same. We all make mistakes...

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25. Actually, I've had cancer, and my father died from a particularly nasty form of cancer

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RC doesn't need to apologize to me. I think the choice the girl made was spectacularly stupid on any number of levels. Hers to make, true; but mind-bendingly stupid.

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Who else shouldn't have children to spare the world of their possibly imperfect offspring?

Not quite. Eugenics was devised by liberals to control the negro population.

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Re: 17 YO dies after stopping treatment for cancer to give birth
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2011, 09:07:35 AM »
It seems a very honorable choice to me, with such an aggressive cancer how much more life and what diminishing quality of life would she be really looking at, given the probability of outcomes?  She gave her life to leave her surviving family a piece of herself to continue loving.  RIP, you brave young woman.

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Re: 17 YO dies after stopping treatment for cancer to give birth
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2011, 09:18:01 AM »
After reading the article it seemed that she had a slim chance of survival and if she did having children would be out. Hard choice to make and no real right answer.
My heart goes out to her family and loved ones. I hope her little boy knows what she sacrificed for him.
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Re: 17 YO dies after stopping treatment for cancer to give birth
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2011, 09:39:41 AM »
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8. well i agree it's not a tragedy but rather a darwin award

i do not celebrate a 17 year old choosing death and using a baby as an excuse for suicide

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Well, DUmbass, it would appear that the brave young lady managed to procreate before she shuffled off her mortal coil so she's a bit out of the running for deleting her genetic strain from humanity in a spectacularly DUmbass fashion.

Incidentally, DUmbass, "suicide" is a cowardly act committed by shallow, immature, emotionally stunted cretins like you and your fellow DUmp liberals who have no thought of anyone else and think the axis of the Earth goes in through the top of their head and exits the crack of their ass.

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14. Unfortunately, this is going to be held up as how every woman should do it, no matter what.

This story will make the rounds as "she did the right thing, other women are selfish evil murders because they want to save themselves first." There's a propaganda war going on out there. I've seen to many Fundamentalist Christian stories about these sorts of cases - they really try to make women who choose to save themselves feel like they are going to hell - literally.

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Yeah, I can see where you would have a problem with this, DUmbass.

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Getting pregnant after a cancer diagnosis is not a sign of genius. With 7 Billion of us, the baby would not be missed.

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32. A fan of eugenics on DU.

Who else shouldn't have children to spare the world of their possibly imperfect offspring?

God bless you, DMD.
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Re: 17 YO dies after stopping treatment for cancer to give birth
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2011, 09:40:32 AM »
It seems a very honorable choice to me, with such an aggressive cancer how much more life and what diminishing quality of life would she be really looking at, given the probability of outcomes?  She gave her life to leave her surviving family a piece of herself to continue loving.  RIP, you brave young woman.



Abso-frikkin'-lutely.
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Re: 17 YO dies after stopping treatment for cancer to give birth
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2011, 09:44:15 AM »
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Getting pregnant after a cancer diagnosis is not a sign of genius. With 7 Billion of us, the baby would not be missed.
I doubt that you would be missed either. Just make sure that you get your whole head in front of the shotgun.
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Re: 17 YO dies after stopping treatment for cancer to give birth
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With 7 Billion of us, the baby would not be missed.

God, I am stunned again.  Where do these people come from?  What the hell did their parent's do to them?  I am almost afraid to ask if they were beaten or molested by their parent's because I think the answer might be, Yes!  There has to be something that happened to these people to make the comments they make.  Damn.  :(






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Re: 17 YO dies after stopping treatment for cancer to give birth
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2011, 09:52:08 AM »
I doubt that you would be missed either. Just make sure that you get your whole head in front of the shotgun.

H5.  Unlike evey non-mole on DU, all of whom stew in fail daily as if it was the broth of their lives, the baby may yet amount to something.
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2011, 09:52:50 AM »
H5.  Unlike evey non-mole on DU, all of whom stew in fail daily as if it was the broth of their lives, the baby may yet amount to something.

Obama didn't






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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2011, 10:12:03 AM »
Obama didn't

Compared to DUers, he did; despite giving us truly relentless suckage as a President, at least he isn't collecting disability, WIC, unemployment, etc., and bitching about how it isn't enough.
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2011, 10:24:03 AM »
Compared to DUers, he did; despite giving us truly relentless suckage as a President, at least he isn't collecting disability, WIC, unemployment, etc., and bitching about how it isn't enough.

His goal is to get the 99% on one of these programs . They will be forced to vote democrat to keep the cash cow alive.
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Re: 17 YO dies after stopping treatment for cancer to give birth
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2011, 11:43:29 AM »
Most of you know my story about when I got pregnant and was told to abort by my doctors but refused. When you are a parent or about to become a parent your well being comes second to your child.  I can not understand their lust for abortion. It seems when ever a story like this or another story when a woman has more than their "allotment" of children they turn into these monstrous "people".

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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2011, 12:50:16 PM »
Most of you know my story about when I got pregnant and was told to abort by my doctors but refused. When you are a parent or about to become a parent your well being comes second to your child.  I can not understand their lust for abortion. It seems when ever a story like this or another story when a woman has more than their "allotment" of children they turn into these monstrous "people".

You would think they would love more kids so they would be able to continue to live off the gov't with those future working tax payers coming from Republican parents.






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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2011, 02:41:53 PM »
I can not understand their lust for abortion.

They exalt their own worthless lives over everything else, since they do not believe in a higher power, their own nation, or even the human race or their own posterity, all of which they foreswear.  It is their own vile way of validating their own pointless hedonism as something more than the moral void it really is.
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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2011, 03:32:59 PM »
What happened to the DUmmies and a "Womans right to choose"?
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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2011, 03:39:00 PM »
What happened to the DUmmies and a "Womans right to choose"?

They believe women have a right to choose abortion, no other choices.

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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2011, 04:24:33 AM »
What happened to the DUmmies and a "Womans right to choose"?

Same thing that happens to all other "rights" DUmmies think we should have.

Unless they apply to DUmmies and liberals, and the way DUmmies and liberals WANT them to apply, they don't exist.
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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2011, 07:15:19 AM »
Same thing that happens to all other "rights" DUmmies think we should have.

Unless they apply to DUmmies and liberals, and the way DUmmies and liberals WANT them to apply, they don't exist.

 :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:  Only 17 knowing she was going to die perhaps she just may have wanted to leave a piece of her self behind to carry on her blood line.  This is not selfish, this is the way humans act and believe.  Shit, animals will risk death to protect their young.

Now had she been 30 years old with 3-4 other kids , oh yes even the Conservatives would have come down on her.

" How can YOU do this to your family, if you have this child and die leaving the family to raise the other kids, there will be just one more child to find a home for.   The children you have need a mother, if not giving birth to this child could mean you have a chance to live a few more years with them, Why take the chance on destroying the lives of the living children for the sake of the unborn"??

Then the old guilt trip, "Science may find a cure for the medical problems in 6 months, then if you wish you can have another child."

Been there, done that ,heard that and much more from loving family members that  were more concerned they would get stuck raising my  older kids and another new one to boot.

My favorite was a old time Conservative that felt I was insane to risk the lives of my 2 kids for for something they said I could not have bonded with YET.

In that day and age there were no sonograms, the only thing I had going for me was a Navy young Tec in ex ray doing an ex-ray of my kidneys and to their surprise filmed the head of the growing baby.   Against all regulations they came all excited to my bed side with the ex-ray and we looked in wonder at the skull, eye sockets and even found the buds of baby teeth moving into position.

Long time ago, I forgave the family's that at that time 1970 had no idea about the human condition and what went on to build a baby.  Hell my first 2 children about  all I knew was to hear the heart beats of an alien in my stomach, something odd, for all I knew the heart beat could have come somehow from a freaking thing that looked like a  rabbit.  Yes I knew how the baby got there and had pictures from books to show me what stage I was at, however it is one thing to see pictures and another to have a growing belly that one finds placing a dish atop of the belly using the belly as a table find something inside that belly kicked the dish to the floor.

Wonderful science, My male doctors had the theory's and  the experience of cadavers down pat, however at that time they had seldom seen inside a living pregnant woman to watch a  living baby develop in person.

Strange this was my wake up call to understand the Church and its stand that the baby's life came before the mothers.

I can understand why some States with big Abortion clinics will not enforce a cooling off period for abortions or insist the patient review sonograms to see their baby's before they are removed as a wart or tumor.

One hell of a shock to see what has been growing inside a woman,  this is not a bunch of cells, this is a human being, how do the patients that do see this live with themselves after what is in PC terms called a PROCEDURE ????   

 


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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2011, 08:38:55 AM »
Now had she been 30 years old with 3-4 other kids , oh yes even the Conservatives would have come down on her.

" How can YOU do this to your family, if you have this child and die leaving the family to raise the other kids, there will be just one more child to find a home for.   The children you have need a mother, if not giving birth to this child could mean you have a chance to live a few more years with them, Why take the chance on destroying the lives of the living children for the sake of the unborn"??

Then the old guilt trip, "Science may find a cure for the medical problems in 6 months, then if you wish you can have another child."

No, stupid, they wouldn't have.  Where do you come up with this crap?
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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2011, 09:00:03 AM »
Now had she been 30 years old with 3-4 other kids , oh yes even the Conservatives would have come down on her.


Surely you jest because I do not know of one conservative that would say such a thing.  Are you a conservative?  do you think such things?






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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2011, 09:45:45 AM »
Surely you jest because I do not know of one conservative that would say such a thing.  Are you a conservative?  do you think such things?

In answer to your questions: No she isn't, and she doesn't think, ever. It gets in the way of random feelings that rattle around her head.

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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2011, 09:46:46 AM »
Surely you jest   

No, she doesn't, and don't call her Shirley.

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Are you a conservative?  do you think such things?

Vestanumbers is a firm believer in "medical" maryjane and voted for obama "just to shake things up".  You can probably make any further deductions from there.
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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2011, 10:16:02 AM »
VESTA voted for Obama?






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« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2011, 10:37:43 AM »
Leave it to the morally bankrupt on DU to focus on the dark cloud and find fault with the silver lining.
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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2011, 10:38:42 AM »
VESTA voted for Obama?

You're surprised?
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