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[USA4ME]

Sarah Ibarruri

As for your property taxes, I'm all for property taxes being raised on properties beyond a certain value that render these properties of the rich.

I'm not even sure what that means.

My initial question is how can a city and/or county project a budget if property taxes aren't based upon the value of the property rather than who owns it?

So someone who's a billionaire who owns 10 acres of land sells the property to someone in the middle class.  According to what I think this idiot primitive is saying, the billionaire would have been paying a much higher rate on the property than the middle calls person who just purchased it.  Now it changes hands and the city/county receives drastically less income.  Do that enough times and expenses will blow out of control and the city/county would have to raise taxes on everyone to to offset the shortfalls.  Don would really be in a pickel if the Sarah primitive had her way.

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[vesta111]

Here in "red state hell", I pay less than $300 a year for both real estate and personal property taxes.  That includes my house, 4 acres of land, 2 barns, a garage, 3 storage buildings, 5 cars (and trucks), and a 26 foot camper.

Well Hello you sexy dude, do you belong to the Mafia or have a Daddy as State Senator???

May be interesting to find out what you have on the town tax assessor.------are you dating his daughter or his son?

House, do you have running water or use an outhouse.       4 acres of land, are they under water or on protected wet land?              2 barns, are they the size of a dog house.        a garage can mean anything from an unclosed building to a  covered area,        3 storage buildings can be those large Tupperware containers that hold 50 pounds of goods.       On to the trucks and cars, we see them all the time sitting next to a house rotting away, haven't been on the road for 20 years.

Ah a 26 foot camper that has sat there for 10 years full of old tires and what not.

A word of advice, do not get rid of the old trucks and camper, do not mow the lawn or paint the house, do not get inside plumbing that is done by contractors or have Central heating put in by contractors. say a prayer and have it done by professionals looking for under the table extra money.

Do so on the sly, soon as you begin to mow the lawn and show some improvement your taxes will go sky high.

In Maine the French build homes with tarpaper on them, the property looks like hell and their taxes are very low.  
It is a surprise to enter these shacks to find the interior, kitchens and baths are top of the line. Some of these from the outside of the so called shacks put most homes to shame.  High end showers and big power  tubs, hard wood floors.  In Maine a tax assesor cannot enter a home, they have to determin from the outside the worth,  the worse it looks from the outside the less taxes for the homeowner.

No problem every one wants to get an up on the Tax Man,   Remember if you walk to work they will tax your feet.

[DumbAss Tanker]

BTW, who the hell wants to retire at 48?  This was not a sustainable plan, Don.  You're going to find an income stream somewhere.  Those Quickiemart places are always hiring.  Get up off the sofa, Don. 

An excellent point, Karin, as always...his lucrative UAW-negotiated pension no doubt looked excellent when he was 48, but time, taxes and prices add up over the years to make reliance on any single income stream a poor long-term strategy. 

[cmypay]

Here in "red state hell", I pay less than $300 a year for both real estate and personal property taxes.  That includes my house, 4 acres of land, 2 barns, a garage, 3 storage buildings, 5 cars (and trucks), and a 26 foot camper.

And here I thought we were doing so well, with taxes only about $700/year. Just got the property tax bill for our fifth-wheel at a whopping $4.52. I also live in "red state hell"

[franksolich]

An excellent point, Karin, as always...his lucrative UAW-negotiated pension no doubt looked excellent when he was 48, but time, taxes and prices add up over the years to make reliance on any single income stream a poor long-term strategy. 

From reading grouchy old Don the past several years, one gets the impression that was his "plan" all along, from when he was young, and first started working in 1971 right out of high school.  He'd keep his nose clean and then retire after 30 years.  

I've never seen, however, grouchy old Don tell us what he was thinking back then, about what he'd like to do in retirement (travel, move to Florida, whatever).  He was just going to work 30 years, and retire.

Grouchy old Don's a product of ethnic blue-collar Chicago, one of the main props of the machine and corruption.

Well, there's nothing wrong with retiring at 48, but one wonders if he anticipated that one reaps what one sows; grouchy old Don had always figured out that if he took care of the machine, the machine'd take care of him.  He probably thought he was sowing wheat, but actually he was sowing parasitical weeds.

[Carl]

An excellent point, Karin, as always...his lucrative UAW-negotiated pension no doubt looked excellent when he was 48, but time, taxes and prices add up over the years to make reliance on any single income stream a poor long-term strategy. 

I am curious if it was set up too that if he stuck it out for another 14 years his pension would have been much higher.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I am curious if it was set up too that if he stuck it out for another 14 years his pension would have been much higher.

Frank may have his own observations on this, but I infer from some of his off-hand comments about 'saving jobs for younger workers' that he may have taken a buy-out with pension around the time of some plant closures or downsizing, and turned necessity into a virtue in the retelling.

[diesel driver]

Well Hello you sexy dude, do you belong to the Mafia or have a Daddy as State Senator???

My 8th grade drama teacher is a state delegate, the the county board of supervisors determine the tax rates, and 5 of the 9 are farmers.

May be interesting to find out what you have on the town tax assessor.------are you dating his daughter or his son?

It's county here, taxed at $1.46/$100 assessed value.  Tax assessors are independent contractors brought in every 5 years.

House, do you have running water or use an outhouse.  

Running, pumped from my own spring.  Indoor plumbing, too, with 2 bathrooms.

4 acres of land, are they under water or on protected wet land?

Neither

2 barns, are they the size of a dog house.

10X12  and 16X24, both w/loft

a garage can mean anything from an unclosed building to a  covered area

12X20, covered, walled, and with doors

3 storage buildings can be those large Tupperware containers that hold 50 pounds of goods.

8X10, 8X16, and a 10X14

   
On to the trucks and cars, we see them all the time sitting next to a house rotting away, haven't been on the road for 20 years.

2004 Chevy Avalanche, 1995 Chevy S-10 Blazer, 1993 Buick Century, 1988 Ford F-250 Diesel, and a 1978 Chevy Malibu, all run, all have over 100,000 miles, 4 of them over 200,000 miles.

Ah a 26 foot camper that has sat there for 10 years full of old tires and what not.

2008 Wildwood LE by Forest River, brand new, purchased as a closeout February this year for half off list price.

A word of advice, do not get rid of the old trucks and camper, do not mow the lawn or paint the house, do not get inside plumbing that is done by contractors or have Central heating put in by contractors. say a prayer and have it done by professionals looking for under the table extra money.

No need, I already done those things myself, for I used to be a contractor and held plumbing and HVAC licences.

Do so on the sly, soon as you begin to mow the lawn and show some improvement your taxes will go sky high.

Not here.  Half the county is farm land.  See first reply as to why rates are so low.

In Maine the French build homes with tarpaper on them, the property looks like hell and their taxes are very low.  
It is a surprise to enter these shacks to find the interior, kitchens and baths are top of the line. Some of these from the outside of the so called shacks put most homes to shame.  High end showers and big power  tubs, hard wood floors.  In Maine a tax assesor cannot enter a home, they have to determin from the outside the worth,  the worse it looks from the outside the less taxes for the homeowner.

I live in Virginia.

No problem every one wants to get an up on the Tax Man,   Remember if you walk to work they will tax your feet.

Nice Beetles reference.

[GOBUCKS]

In this corner of red state hell, we don't pay a personal property tax.

We don't even put a license plate on our boat trailers or utility trailers, just a "W - Still the President" sticker.

 

[diesel driver]

In this corner of red state hell, we don't pay a personal property tax.

We don't even put a license plate on our boat trailers or utility trailers, just a "W - Still the President" sticker.

 

We can purchase permanent tags for trailers, but everything over 1,500lbs. has to have brakes, and anything with brakes needs a state inspection sticker.

This state is slowly getting back to normal after 2 back to back Dimrat governors.

[Chris_]

I wonder when Old Don retired.  Was it before Pelosi's Most Ethical Congress took over, because General Motors was making hand over fist money on cheap SUVs during the second half of the Clinton administration up until gas prices skyrocketed under the Democrat leadership in 2007.

[Evil_Conservative]

Ever checked out property taxes for Rockford?

~10%

No.  But I know my in-law's (in western IL) pay around $3,000 a year for their home in the country on three acres.

[Evil_Conservative]

Well Hello you sexy dude, do you belong to the Mafia or have a Daddy as State Senator???

May be interesting to find out what you have on the town tax assessor.------are you dating his daughter or his son?

House, do you have running water or use an outhouse.       4 acres of land, are they under water or on protected wet land?              2 barns, are they the size of a dog house.        a garage can mean anything from an unclosed building to a  covered area,        3 storage buildings can be those large Tupperware containers that hold 50 pounds of goods.       On to the trucks and cars, we see them all the time sitting next to a house rotting away, haven't been on the road for 20 years.

Ah a 26 foot camper that has sat there for 10 years full of old tires and what not.

A word of advice, do not get rid of the old trucks and camper, do not mow the lawn or paint the house, do not get inside plumbing that is done by contractors or have Central heating put in by contractors. say a prayer and have it done by professionals looking for under the table extra money.

Do so on the sly, soon as you begin to mow the lawn and show some improvement your taxes will go sky high.

In Maine the French build homes with tarpaper on them, the property looks like hell and their taxes are very low.  
It is a surprise to enter these shacks to find the interior, kitchens and baths are top of the line. Some of these from the outside of the so called shacks put most homes to shame.  High end showers and big power  tubs, hard wood floors.  In Maine a tax assesor cannot enter a home, they have to determin from the outside the worth,  the worse it looks from the outside the less taxes for the homeowner.

No problem every one wants to get an up on the Tax Man,   Remember if you walk to work they will tax your feet.

[franksolich]

I wonder when Old Don retired.  Was it before Pelosi's Most Ethical Congress took over, because General Motors was making hand over fist money on cheap SUVs during the second half of the Clinton administration up until gas prices skyrocketed under the Democrat leadership in 2007.

Sometime when George Bush was still president.

He would've reached 30 years in 2001, but I dunno if the lay-offs under Jimmy Carter were counted as time too, probably they weren't.  And so just "sometime when George Bush was still president."

Grouchy old Don was already retired when I first ran into him, and that was circa 2004 or 2005.

[Chris_]

He should have kept working.  The UAW was squeezing the Big Tree dry until they implemented a tier wage and benefit system the other year.  But he would have been grandfathered in anyway and still making more money than most people.

Lazy.

[franksolich]

Lazy.

Grouchy old Don was in kind of the same environment as the generalissimo dude was, when growing up, according to his anecdotes of his youth.

The difference being that the generalissimo dude, who's seven years older than grouchy old Don, grew up influenced by organized crime in Bridgeport, Connecticut, while grouchy old Don grew up influenced by the machine in Chicago, Illinois. 

Such environments don't exactly inspire the work ethic, and do inspire the quest for the quick and easy buck.

[Chris_]

Hm.  I assumed they would be the same age.

Don better calm down or he'll be dead of a heart attack in another ten years.

[GOBUCKS]

Like many DUmp democrats, he retired around the time they started random drug testing.

[Traveshamockery]

Our property taxes are about $5000.00 per year but we don't pay a state income tax.  However, we so love having to pay those property taxes to educate and feed all of those illegal alien children who somehow end up here in our school district. 

 

[BlueStateSaint]

Don better calm down or he'll be dead of a heart attack in another ten years.

And the downside of this is . . . ?

 

[JohnnyReb]

And the downside of this is . . . ?

 

8 fewer votes for Obama....oh wait....that's a plus....carry on.

[DefiantSix]

We're not oddballs or unrealistic nutjobs.