From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

[Tucker]

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Octafish (24,726 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

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If it were my world, it all would all be free.

Money would not be needed. People would always be given first priority. If someone needs something they need to live -- food, water, shelter, clothing, medicine, education -- they could get it. For free.

Robots and computers can do most of the scut work now. Flying robots can build the stuff Jacques Fresco visualizes. People could be free to do the kinds of things people want to do and what they enjoy -- healthcare, farming, arts and letters, sports, gaming, entertainment, whatever floats their boat.

But, seeing how people must have money to keep track of things, OK. There could be money, just as long as it was free, too. Maybe then we can finally get past the idea that money really matters. And that people don't.

It money is free, then it has no value. Something without value is worthless.

Rex (20,231 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

1. Money is the root of all evil.

If you're gonna cite something, at least get it right.

The correct saying is "The love of money is the root of all evil."

It changes the meaning.

TheWraith (14,563 posts)

8. And if everything is free, how do you motivate someone to do the nasty jobs that need doing?

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Last year I spent two months working a temp job at an aluminum foundry. Nasty work: 11 hour days, standing on barely padded concrete, using power tools to clean and polish cast aluminum parts until my hands were numb 24/7, or moving those parts around in 120 degree temperatures. The only reason I did it was because I desperately needed the money. No one is going to enjoy that job, believe me, any more than someone is going to enjoy scrubbing a particularly filthy toilet. You can't have a robot do that job, so how do you convince anyone to do it if everything is free?

Octafish (24,726 posts)

9. Excellent question.


What would happen if no one needed to do it? Perhaps the answer would be the development of alternative technologies. Or, perhaps people could be compensated with a Ferrari or some other exotic machine or object of special value.

Many of the world's great fortunes were started by people who exploited other people, including slavery.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7c0f5014-628c-11de-b1c9-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1

I, too, have worked jobs unfit for man or beast -- things no man should have to do for money. With the enormous wealth created over the past 30 years, it is way past time for the next system.

The DUmb is strong with this one. He'll never see the connection.

yawnmaster (959 posts)
14. you don't motivate, you force. But I suppose that is a type of motivation...if you want to eat...

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you do it.

At least everything would still be free.

Yeah! That will work out just fine.

cherokeeprogressive (9,055 posts)
15. "you don't motivate, you force."

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That sounds a little like indentured servitude to me.

[Carl]

yawnmaster (959 posts)
14. you don't motivate, you force. But I suppose that is a type of motivation...if you want to eat...

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you do it.

At least everything would still be free.

Then you build a big wall with agents of the government shooting at those trying to escape.
Where have we heard that happen before?

[franksolich]

You know, the problem with this "to each according to his needs" is, who determines "needs"?

franksolich gets along fine, just jim-dandy, without television, radio, stereo, telephone, pharmaceuticals licit and illicit, whatnot.

If franksolich doesn't need such things, well then, the primitives don't need them either.

If franksolich were in charge of determining needs, probably it wouldn't upset decent and civilized people but just a little bit, but it would for damned sure make the primitives get all bent out of shape.

[jukin]

Those with abilities will simply lose that ability and the FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!1111!!!eleventy system crumbles in less than a week to be replaced with hardcore totalitarianism. Just like it always has except where freedom and liberty are (i.e. The US).

To think they wonder why we call them DUmbasses.

[Celtic Rose]

Need and Want are very different animals, despite how liberals have confused them.  One need to drink, but one doesn't need to drink anything other than water.  One needs to eat, but one doesn't need most of the food in the grocery store.  Rice and beans supplemented by vegetables would meet the nutritional needs of most people, but most people would get bored of it pretty quickly (day four of big pot of beans is a lot less fun than the first day you made them, speaking from experience).  One of my coworkers grew up in Poland, and she remembers how all of the children's sweaters had multicolored stripes at the ends of the sleeves and body, because there wasn't money to buy enough yarn for a new sweater, but somebody in the family could afford to buy one new ball of yarn when a child grew.  Her clothing needs were covered, but she hated her sweater. 

[Freeper]

I used to think that too, that everything should be free, of course I was 5 years old at the time.

[Tucker]

I used to think that too, that everything should be free, of course I was 5 years old at the time.

Kindergarten was a harsh dose of reality. Unless you were wheeling and dealing, you still only got the one cookie. If some little girl plied her charms, you didn't get that.

[tanstaafl]

Kindergarten was a harsh dose of reality. Unless you were wheeling and dealing, you still only got the one cookie. If some little girl plied her charms, you didn't get that.

Everything you need to know, you learned in kindergarten.

All other education is superflorous or future job related.

[USA4ME]

Octafish
 
If it were my world, it all would all be free.

And your world would turn to mush in the time it took to say "What happened?"

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[Chris_]

cherokeeprogressive (9,055 posts)
15. "you don't motivate, you force."

That sounds a little like indentured servitude to me.

40 hours a week.  Life is hard.

[Freeper]

40 hours a week.  Life is hard.

That means 40 hours a week away from the bong, and DU.

[Linda]

Here is a continuation of there beliefs:
MSNBC's Hayes Nods As OWS 'Community Organizer' Defends Property Theft As 'Technicalities'


Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2011/12/10/msnbcs-chris-hayes-gives-sympathetic-response-ows-community-organi#ixzz1gAuDLG8t

Chris Hayes gave Carrasquillo a sympathetic platform on his MSNBC show this morning. Making it clear that he was speaking as a "devil's advocate," not, God forbid, expressing his own opinion, Hayes gently inquired of Carrasquillo whether, you know, it could be said he has no right to break into and live in homes owned by others.   Dismissing the notion out of hand, Carrasquillo described theft of others' property as "technicalities."  That seemed good enough for Hayes, who helpfully pointed out that the homes Carrasquillo is breaking into "are just sitting there, no one's making use of them."

[67 Rover]

That means 40 hours a week away from the bong, and DU.

Unless you work for GM/Chrysler and are a union member. 

[ChuckJ]

Octafish (24,726 posts)

9. Excellent question.


What would happen if no one needed to do it? Perhaps the answer would be the development of alternative technologies. Or, perhaps people could be compensated with a Ferrari or some other exotic machine or object of special value.

Many of the world's great fortunes were started by people who exploited other people, including slavery.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0...abdc0.html?nclick_check=1

I, too, have worked jobs unfit for man or beast -- things no man should have to do for money. With the enormous wealth created over the past 30 years, it is way past time for the next system.

To the DUmmie Octafish:
To quote Antoine - You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real.

To normal and decent people:
When I stop and think about the difference between us and them I am constantly amazed.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Octafish (24,726 posts)

9. Excellent question.


What would happen if no one needed to do it? Perhaps the answer would be the development of alternative technologies. Or, perhaps people could be compensated with a Ferrari or some other exotic machine or object of special value.

But aren't the Ferraris free...?

[JohnnyReb]

Gimme my free Ferrari, a tank of gas and get the hell out of my way....

[Mr Mannn]

But aren't the Ferraris free...?

Only for ruling party members. You and I get Yugos.

[Tucker]

Only for ruling party members. You and I get Yugos.

And a one way trip off of the Mackinaw bridge.

http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm486470.html

[diesel driver]

Gimme my free Ferrari, a tank of gas and get the hell out of my way....

Ford Super Duty Diesel for me.  You can keep that Italian POS!   

[miskie]

You Better all shout..
You Better all cry..
'Cuz the loudest slobs get the biggest prize.

Occu-Claus is coming to town.

He's making a list
He's checking it twice..
Finding people to rob, because they aren't 'nice'..

Occu-Claus is coming to town.

He sees you when your sleeping.
Beyond your one-percent gates.
He'll break down your door,
And camp on your floor.
If he doesn't like what you make.

So,
You Better all shout..
You Better all cry..
'Cuz the loudest slobs get the biggest prize.

Occu-Claus is coming to town !!!11!!!!

edit -- I forgot the festive picture of Occu-Claus !!!

[Mr Mannn]

posted by Octafish: Robots will do the grunt work??!
What? Where are they?

Tell me Octafish wasn't high when he posted this. Every Utopia has a secret foundation of slave labor supporting the elite. the entire premise is asinine. Nothing is free. never was, never will be.
Every commune built on this idea has FAILED.

If this is such a good idea where on earth has it been tried before?

for fools such as Octafish: do not include me in you sick fantasies. Move to an isolated island and demonstrate your ideas can work. And do that before you drag a country of unwilling people down the drain with you.
Practice what you preach on your dime first, and I might listed later.
--Otherwise there are 80 million gun owners who might object you your plan.

[chitownchica]

Octafish (24,726 posts)

9. Excellent question.


What would happen if no one needed to do it? Perhaps the answer would be the development of alternative technologies. Or, perhaps people could be compensated with a Ferrari or some other exotic machine or object of special value.

The only free Ferrari is stupid Beth.  There's a prize for ya dumbass.

[JohnnyReb]

Ford Super Duty Diesel for me.  You can keep that Italian POS!   

I already have the FORD diesel, I want to scoot around on a skateboard for awhile.

[diesel driver]

I already have the FORD diesel, I want to scoot around on a skateboard for awhile.

So do I, but it's 24 years old.   

My car is 34 years old.

I LOVE old iron!

[vesta111]

And a one way trip off of the Mackinaw bridge.

http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm486470.html

Been across that bridge on the back of a 750 Kow, son and wife also made the trek on a Harley. 12 years apart.   No problem for us  we must have both lucked out on crossing on a good day.

The big question is now what to do with all these abandoned homes ????     Can they be rented out like  section 8 apartments, the banks that own them still have to pay land taxes on them.     Should they be sold for 10 cents on the dollar to senior citizens ???

These homes just sit there abandoned, no maintenance just rotting away.   Most likely thieves have come and removed all copper pipes and anything of value.  Furnace, hot water heater, air conditioning units, toilets, tubs, all sinks, and kitchen cabinets.   

Reading about the people  that have their homes forclosed on by some bank they never traded with, one poor family paid cash for their home and got the heave ho from a bank 2,000 miles away.   After a year or 2 with 3 lawyers  they got their home back, problem another family had bought the home at auction made improvements and  had just as much right to the home as the original owners.

New London Conn, big hotel chain comes to town and finds property they want to build on.   Problems is very few home owners want to sell out, these are second and third generation land owners.    The buy out offers are way under the actual value of their home. A good number of the homeowners were retired Navy or Marine Vets.

Next thing the Hotel company some how gets the land and homes to become a land taken for public domain.   How or why it was a done deal when the sheriffs came in to evict people from their own homes. A business not government need was giving them no choice, except 1/4 the value on the land or be forcibly be removed from the land.

This is America ?????  Some held out with shot gun in hand when the sheriffs came to force them off their land. 

So I see these things happen and wonder about what is happening to my country. 

 If some business were to come to me and tell me I had to sell my home for 1/4 its value or be evicted and paid 1/8 the value, what to do, any thing I do I am ****ed.

The young man with his ideas on what to do with the empty houses, he has no idea of why or how realistate works in the big time world.