WI gets castle doctrine law- the sky is faling- the sky is falling

[Tucker]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2445973#2449304

Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list     Thu Dec-08-11 06:11 AM
Original message
Wisconsin: Scott Walker signs "death penalty for burglars" bill
   
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/walker-to-si...


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Madison - Homeowners who shoot intruders will have new legal protections, under a bill signed Wednesday by Gov. Scott Walker.

Under the intruders bill, courts in most criminal and civil matters would presume that people using deadly force had acted reasonably against anyone unlawfully inside their residence, business or vehicle, whether the trespasser was armed or not.

The proposal is sometimes known as the "castle doctrine," a reference to the saying that one's home is one's castle. The bill passed the Senate and Assembly on bipartisan votes last month.

A group within the State Bar of Wisconsin representing more than 600 criminal defense lawyers, prosecutors, judges and academics opposed the castle doctrine bill because "malevolent, reckless, or paranoid people who shoot trick-or-treaters or repairmen on their porch will be presumed to be acting in self-defense." Members of that group say they can't come up with a single case where a homeowner was charged with a crime for defending himself or herself against an intruder.

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Jobs for coroners, I guess.

Here's a suggestion. Don't break into someones house. Problem solved.

kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list     Thu Dec-08-11 08:48 AM
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3. Makes setting up a murder so much easier.n/t

Clueless.

kctim (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list     Thu Dec-08-11 09:22 AM
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5. The poor poor people of Wis.
   
We have a castle law here and "trick-or-treaters or repairmen" are shot and killed every day. It's crazy and I live in a constant state of fear.


It's not a "death penalty for burglars," it's a choice criminals must now at least give a little bit of thought.

Dirty freeper troll.

Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list     Thu Dec-08-11 12:57 PM
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7. Sorry- but if someone breaks into my house- I don't know their intent- they will get shot
   
I support this as it is truly one of the only self protection gun laws. Don't break into my home, I won't even think twice. I might hate myself later on- but regardless- I'd rather be wrong in shooting than wrong in not

The lovelorn has a nasty streak. It musta been the women who deserted him that made him that way.

gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list     Thu Dec-08-11 01:01 PM
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8. Nothing in my house, including me, is worth someone else's life
   
But I realize I'm an extreme example, and in a society as steeped in violence and as awash in weapons as ours is, I'm definitely going against the tide of popular thought. I'm used to picking up the pieces by this point in my life.

He's a ****ing idiot.

michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list     Thu Dec-08-11 04:58 PM
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53. If someone is in my house uninvited
   
I'm not going to engage in a fact finding mission. I'm going to believe that he is there to do my family great bodily harm, up to including murder, and will act accordingly.

In other words, I will shoot upon first sight.

Me too.

[Evil_Conservative]

kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list     Thu Dec-08-11 08:48 AM
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3. Makes setting up a murder so much easier.n/t

Why are you so flipping stupid?  It's not like other states have had this law in place for years. 

Do you think homeowner's bait the intruders and then kill them?  Fool.

Anyway, I am very proud of my home state.  They are growing up so quickly with Scott Walker in charge.

[diesel driver]

ctim (1000+ posts)  Thu Dec-08-11 09:22 AM
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5. The poor poor people of Wis.
  
We have a castle law here and "trick-or-treaters or repairmen" are shot and killed every day. It's crazy and I live in a constant state of fear.


It's not a "death penalty for burglars," it's a choice criminals must now at least give a little bit of thought.

You have trick-or-treaters every day?  

I live so far out in the boonies, the BEST time I can hope for LEO's showing up is 10 minutes.  I don't dial 9-1-1 first, I dial 9mm.  9-1-1 is for the cleanup.

Besides, if you're so damned stupid as to ignore the No Trespassing signs posted everywhere, then you deserve what you will find here.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

You have trick-or-treaters every day?  

He's mocking the "pearl-clutchers."

[NHSparky]

Ward Bird certainly could have used that law a few years back.  Now as it stands he's a convicted felon simply for "brandishing a weapon" on his own property against a person who trespassed on his property and who refused to leave when told to do so.

Fortunately the GOP is in charge in the legislature and not even Governor Do-Nothing Lynch's veto stood up.  We can not only defend ourselves in our homes and on our property now, but ANYWHERE we feel threatened in any place we have "a right to be" with no duty to retreat.

And despite the warnings of the cops/unions, no, we have not had Wild West shootouts on our streets.  Quite the opposite, in fact.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Great!  That should encourage the street thugs to stay with their own kind in metro Milwaukee, instead of preying on the productive citizens.

[Gratiot]

My guess is that these trial lawyers, are upset that they will not be able to take the homes and life savings of good, hard-working, law-abiding citizens; by defending them in court for firing upon hardened criminals actively invading homes with people.

I don't even understand how these people can have a conscience.

[Carl]

Ward Bird certainly could have used that law a few years back.  Now as it stands he's a convicted felon simply for "brandishing a weapon" on his own property against a person who trespassed on his property and who refused to leave when told to do so.

Fortunately the GOP is in charge in the legislature and not even Governor Do-Nothing Lynch's veto stood up.  We can not only defend ourselves in our homes and on our property now, but ANYWHERE we feel threatened in any place we have "a right to be" with no duty to retreat.

And despite the warnings of the cops/unions, no, we have not had Wild West shootouts on our streets.  Quite the opposite, in fact.

I am pretty sure here in NY that unless you can prove imminent danger to life your only legal recourse is to flee from an interloper.

[Wineslob]

The bill passed the Senate and Assembly on bipartisan votes last month.

This stick in your craw(s), DUmmies?    

[BlueStateSaint]

I am pretty sure here in NY that unless you can prove imminent danger to life your only legal recourse is to flee from an interloper.

Unless you're in your own residence, Carl.  Then one may "shoot to stop."  "Stopping" can be interpreted as "rendering the invader a corpse," IIRC.  Every LEO I've talked to in NY about this has said this, and they've recommended the above definition.

[wasp69]

kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts)     Thu Dec-08-11 08:48 AM
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3. Makes setting up a murder so much easier.n/t

Nah, not true.  But it will probably go a long way towards reducing your voter base.

[Tucker]

Unless you're in your own residence, Carl.  Then one may "shoot to stop."  "Stopping" can be interpreted as "rendering the invader a corpse," IIRC.  Every LEO I've talked to in NY about this has said this, and they've recommended the above definition.

Keep in mind that dead men can't offer testimony.

[Carl]

Unless you're in your own residence, Carl.  Then one may "shoot to stop."  "Stopping" can be interpreted as "rendering the invader a corpse," IIRC.  Every LEO I've talked to in NY about this has said this, and they've recommended the above definition.

Perhaps but it still relies on a lot of interpretation.
Please correct me if I am wrong but if a person was to break in to my house tonight I still would have to prove I identified them as an intruder (being here alone is not enough) which means lights on and confronting them.
Then if there was any indication they were attempting to flee I could do nothing to prevent it and finally would have to prove a desire to do me physical harm.
In other words if it turned out they had no weapon or indication they were going to use it such as having a knife still in pocket when a LEO arrived I could still be charged with manslaughter.
Stupid state.

[jukin]

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

I am truly liking the cut of the fellow Wlaker's jib.

[NHSparky]

I look at it this way--if someone is running around in my house at 2 am and everyone else is in bed, I'm pretty ****ing sure it ain't the Avon lady.

[FlaGator]

Florida has had this doctrine for years and it even extends to ones car and to any public place that the person who is carrying and has a valid carrier permit visits. If I am in a Wendy's and some one is robbing it and I feel that the robber represents a threat to my life or the life of someone else I can shoot him.

On a side note, the innocent people in Florida who are being killed are murdered by criminals not by law bidding citizens making a mistake.

[Karin]

gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts)      Thu Dec-08-11 01:01 PM
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8. Nothing in my house, including me, is worth someone else's lifetwo shits.

Good for Wisconsin.   

[Airwolf]

The DUmmies cheer for the lives of thugs,pedophiles ,rapist and thieves but will ill a child in a heartbeat when they find out that night at the frat house or the bar turned into something unwanted. I see this as making things equal in the eyes of the law,you go into a home of a good decent person looking to score stuff because you feel entitled to it then I feel free to show you the error of your ways with my M1911.

[Revolution]

You have trick-or-treaters every day?  

I live so far out in the boonies, the BEST time I can hope for LEO's showing up is 10 minutes.  I don't dial 9-1-1 first, I dial 9mm.  9-1-1 is for the cleanup.

Besides, if you're so damned stupid as to ignore the No Trespassing signs posted everywhere, then you deserve what you will find here.

Well now I know that if I ever come upon your place sometime to hold up a sign "I am Revolution from CC" while I stand outside your personal signs, and hope I don't hear a caulking ksouknd. *wide eyed*



Let's go, Walker!! *clap clap- clap clap clap*

The leftists in this state are losing their minds.

[Revolution]

I look at it this way--if someone is running around in my house at 2 am and everyone else is in bed, I'm pretty ****ing sure it ain't the Avon lady.

hack89 (1000+ posts)      Thu Dec-08-11 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #8
50. And you can instantly tell if a intruder has peaceful intentions?
 just one look is all it takes to determine he poses no threat to your physical safety? Super powers like that must be cool.

But how do you KNOW, Sparky????


 

What a dolt.

[JohnnyReb]

You know what the DUmmies real problem is with this don't you? They foresee a drastic decrese in live democrat voters and an increase in dead ones. And with most states pushing to clean up the voting rolls and demanding picture ID's....things aren't looking good for future democrat candidates.

[Tucker]

You know what the DUmmies real problem is with this don't you? They foresee a drastic decrese in live democrat voters and an increase in dead ones. And with most states pushing to clean up the voting rolls and demanding picture ID's....things aren't looking good for future democrat candidates.

That's why they're trying to plant an idea that on line voting should be an option.

[Mr Mannn]

gratuitous (1000+ posts)
8. Nothing in my house, including me, is worth someone else's life
   

Good to know. Nice that you posted this on the net for all to see.
Anyone want to search his posting history and look for references about where he lives?
Maybe he's one of the DUmmies who actually posted his address at one point?

[vesta111]

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gratuitous (1000+ posts)
8. Nothing in my house, including me, is worth someone else's life.

Gees, no parents, children or friends spending the night????

What is worth someone Else's life, Your Country, Your  Flag, those you love????

This I have heard before by the idealists that for some reason stand outside a prison and protest the execution of a mass murder.     Few of the protesters have had to bury children kidnapped and tortured by these animals, few ever felt rage against a monster that destroyed others lives for no reason that because they could for their own benefit.

 As some monster has never invaded my home, I will feel pity for them and pray for their souls.   Good thinking, way to go to enable others to wreck terror and death on the innocents.

Why does the poster believe that he himself is equal to a monster and the life of a monster is as justified as his???

When do we put the value of a life so high that the monsters lives are as sacrid as a new Born's?????
 

[LC EFA]

You have trick-or-treaters every day?  

I live so far out in the boonies, the BEST time I can hope for LEO's showing up is 10 minutes.  I don't dial 9-1-1 first, I dial 9mm.  9-1-1 is for the cleanup.

Besides, if you're so damned stupid as to ignore the No Trespassing signs posted everywhere, then you deserve what you will find here.

I live in the outer 'burbs of a regional city.

There's a daylight-hours police station 10 minutes away.

If I were to ring in a break'n'enter , disturbance , domestic etc call - the BEST I could hope for it 20 minutes.

Ring them up and tell them I just shot a home invader and they'll be there to lock me up faster than you can spit.