Octafish (24,726 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
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If it were my world, it all would all be free.
Money would not be needed. People would always be given first priority. If someone needs something they need to live -- food, water, shelter, clothing, medicine, education -- they could get it. For free.
Robots and computers can do most of the scut work now. Flying robots can build the stuff Jacques Fresco visualizes. People could be free to do the kinds of things people want to do and what they enjoy -- healthcare, farming, arts and letters, sports, gaming, entertainment, whatever floats their boat.
But, seeing how people must have money to keep track of things, OK. There could be money, just as long as it was free, too. Maybe then we can finally get past the idea that money really matters. And that people don't.
Rex (20,231 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
1. Money is the root of all evil.
TheWraith (14,563 posts)
8. And if everything is free, how do you motivate someone to do the nasty jobs that need doing?
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Last year I spent two months working a temp job at an aluminum foundry. Nasty work: 11 hour days, standing on barely padded concrete, using power tools to clean and polish cast aluminum parts until my hands were numb 24/7, or moving those parts around in 120 degree temperatures. The only reason I did it was because I desperately needed the money. No one is going to enjoy that job, believe me, any more than someone is going to enjoy scrubbing a particularly filthy toilet. You can't have a robot do that job, so how do you convince anyone to do it if everything is free?
Octafish (24,726 posts)
9. Excellent question.
What would happen if no one needed to do it? Perhaps the answer would be the development of alternative technologies. Or, perhaps people could be compensated with a Ferrari or some other exotic machine or object of special value.
Many of the world's great fortunes were started by people who exploited other people, including slavery.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7c0f5014-628c-11de-b1c9-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1
I, too, have worked jobs unfit for man or beast -- things no man should have to do for money. With the enormous wealth created over the past 30 years, it is way past time for the next system.
yawnmaster (959 posts)
14. you don't motivate, you force. But I suppose that is a type of motivation...if you want to eat...
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you do it.
At least everything would still be free.
cherokeeprogressive (9,055 posts)
15. "you don't motivate, you force."
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That sounds a little like indentured servitude to me.
yawnmaster (959 posts)
14. you don't motivate, you force. But I suppose that is a type of motivation...if you want to eat...
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you do it.
At least everything would still be free.
I used to think that too, that everything should be free, of course I was 5 years old at the time.
Kindergarten was a harsh dose of reality. Unless you were wheeling and dealing, you still only got the one cookie. If some little girl plied her charms, you didn't get that.Everything you need to know, you learned in kindergarten.
Octafish
If it were my world, it all would all be free.
cherokeeprogressive (9,055 posts)40 hours a week. Life is hard. :bawl:
15. "you don't motivate, you force."
That sounds a little like indentured servitude to me.
40 hours a week. Life is hard. :bawl:
Chris Hayes gave Carrasquillo a sympathetic platform on his MSNBC show this morning. Making it clear that he was speaking as a "devil's advocate," not, God forbid, expressing his own opinion, Hayes gently inquired of Carrasquillo whether, you know, it could be said he has no right to break into and live in homes owned by others. Dismissing the notion out of hand, Carrasquillo described theft of others' property as "technicalities." That seemed good enough for Hayes, who helpfully pointed out that the homes Carrasquillo is breaking into "are just sitting there, no one's making use of them."
That means 40 hours a week away from the bong, and DU.
Octafish (24,726 posts)
9. Excellent question.
What would happen if no one needed to do it? Perhaps the answer would be the development of alternative technologies. Or, perhaps people could be compensated with a Ferrari or some other exotic machine or object of special value.
Many of the world's great fortunes were started by people who exploited other people, including slavery.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0...abdc0.html?nclick_check=1
I, too, have worked jobs unfit for man or beast -- things no man should have to do for money. With the enormous wealth created over the past 30 years, it is way past time for the next system.
Octafish (24,726 posts)
9. Excellent question.
What would happen if no one needed to do it? Perhaps the answer would be the development of alternative technologies. Or, perhaps people could be compensated with a Ferrari or some other exotic machine or object of special value.
Only for ruling party members. You and I get Yugos.
But aren't the Ferraris free...?
Only for ruling party members. You and I get Yugos.
Gimme my free Ferrari, a tank of gas and get the hell out of my way.... :-)
Octafish (24,726 posts)
9. Excellent question.
What would happen if no one needed to do it? Perhaps the answer would be the development of alternative technologies. Or, perhaps people could be compensated with a Ferrari or some other exotic machine or object of special value.
Ford Super Duty Diesel for me. You can keep that Italian POS! :-)
I already have the FORD diesel, I want to scoot around on a skateboard for awhile.
And a one way trip off of the Mackinaw bridge.
http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm486470.html
Kindergarten was a harsh dose of reality. Unless you were wheeling and dealing, you still only got the one cookie. If some little girl plied her charms, you didn't get that.
lunatica (19,811 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
31. There would be plenty of people to take care of the sick and elderly.
Lots of people are drawn to these services through altruism. Most doctors and nurses as a matter of fact.
Also scientists are drawn to make the world a better place through their dedication and love of what they do.
Lots of people would be drawn to help the elderly and the families of the elderly.
People want meaning in their lives. Their life's labor gives them meaning.
lunatica (19,811 posts)As a nurse I can say that yes I like helping people but if you think I am going to do it for free you have another thing coming.
31. There would be plenty of people to take care of the sick and elderly.
Lots of people are drawn to these services through altruism. Most doctors and nurses as a matter of fact.
Also scientists are drawn to make the world a better place through their dedication and love of what they do.
Lots of people would be drawn to help the elderly and the families of the elderly.
People want meaning in their lives. Their life's labor gives them meaning.
As a nurse I can say that yes I like helping people but if you think I am going to do it for free you have another thing coming.
ROFL...the old expression, "I love my job--but not THAT much."
God Bless, they are lazy.
Good news, everybody! You know how the DUmmies always run into the old problem, the fact that you can't make people work for free, since we don't have slavery anymore? Lunatica has solved that problem....you do your work out of the goodness of your heart, and the immense personal satisfaction you get. That's all you need!
What a googly-eyed moonbat. Hey Lunatic, I know some septic tanks that need cleaning out. You'll love it, it's a blast! Plus you'll feel so good after a hard days work, your boiled onion at the Gulag will be doubleplusgood.
lunatica (19,811 posts)
31. There would be plenty of people to take care of the sick and elderly.
Lots of people are drawn to these services through altruism. Most doctors and nurses as a matter of fact.
Also scientists are drawn to make the world a better place through their dedication and love of what they do.
Lots of people would be drawn to help the elderly and the families of the elderly.
People want meaning in their lives. Their life's labor gives them meaning.
ROFL...the old expression, "I love my job--but not THAT much."Sounds like the e-mail I sent to the project manager regarding reporting at the new assignment. Report on 3 Jan 2012. Said I was one heck of a loyal employee, but not that loyal. So now I'm enroute 3-4 Jan reporting in on 5 Jan 2012.
American history is littered with these little communist experiments. They all failed, falling into chaos very quickly. (Harmony, IN and Rugby, TN are just 2 examples among many). The common trait for failure among them all seem to be aversion to hard work for nothing for other lazy people. Same way with the hippie communes of the 60's, as well as the Zucotti Park "kitchen."
Can't you see that, DUmmies? Hard work for nothing breeds immediate and deep resentment. I can feel it myself if I'm vaccuming around a sports-watching husband.