Misconceptions About The Christian Left

[Doc]

"He merely gives us the free will to choose to go there instead of choosing Him.  So you really are qualified to make that judgment...for yourself."

Well said.  We agree with this part.

Like we said, read the original post, which you either haven't done or ignored.

Read the PDF too.

We're not going to play one-upmanship games.  Take it or leave it. ;>)

Who exactly is "WE".......(bolded above)  Whom do you porport to speak for?

Just for the record, it is customary for new members to post an introduction to the membership in the "Welcomes and Introductions" forum, to allow the existing posters to get to know something about you, prior to launching into a abysmally long copied dissertation in another forum.  You origionally posted this in "Politics" which was inappropriate, and it was moved here by a member of the staff.

You, therefore, rather got off on the "wrong foot" so to speak..........

You were asked specific questions here:

And the point of this religious "lecture" is...................... ?

And here:

Given what the Bible clearly states regarding homosexuality...

Romans 1:26-27 (New International Version)

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

it would seem the "christian" left does plenty of ignoring on their own.

And here:

Exactly WHO was it that told the woman caught in sin to "go, and sin no more?"  Who was it that said repeatedly that He was here to save sinners?  When He said things like this, did He give them money, or tell them how to apply for welfare?

And here:

So, you are OK with the government stealing money to do your charity work, and you're not going to discuss it.  It seems strange that you come to a discussion board with your warped theology.  It also seems strange that a self-proclaimed "Christian" would call theological discussions a "game."  I guess that open-minded thing only goes one way, huh?  

And again here:

So, you're fine with having the government steal money from others to do your charity work.  OK.  But you did manage to get far enough in the Bible to figure out that we don't send people to Hell...but I guess you've sort of missed the fact that God doesn't, either...He merely gives us the free will to choose to go there instead of choosing Him.  So you really are qualified to make that judgment...for yourself

To which you respond with this..........

Read the PDF too.

We're not going to play one-upmanship games.  Take it or leave it.

You therefore "support" your position by posting another screed (in PDF  foremat no less) as a defense of your initial "cut and paste" job, and expect the membership to take you seriously?

It doesn't work that way here.......you are free to post your opinions, however, you will be expected to personally defend them......"Take it or leave it" (posted twice by you) is veering you dangerously close to what we refer to as "religious trolling", and a violation of the board rules.  As moderator here, you can consider this your first and only warning.......either defend your position, answer the questions, or take your "Misconceptions"  somewhere else.......

The forum and board rules are your friend, read tham and use them wisely.......I hope that I've made that clear enough for you to understand.

BTW, welcome to CC, enjoy your stay........

doc

[The Hollywood NeoCon]

You therefore "support" your position by posting another screed (in PDF  foremat no less) as a defense of your initial "cut and paste" job, and expect the membership to take you seriously?

It doesn't work that way here.......you are free to post your opinions, however, you will be expected to personally defend them......"Take it or leave it" (posted twice by you) is veering you dangerously close to what we refer to as "religious trolling", and a violation of the board rules.  As moderator here, you can consider this your first and only warning.......either defend your position, answer the questions, or take your "Misconceptions"  somewhere else.......

The forum and board rules are your friend, read tham and use them wisely.......I hope that I've made that clear enough for you to understand.

BTW, welcome to CC, enjoy your stay........

doc

Good work, doc, although I would've just told the sanctimonious little prick to go **** himself.

I'm sure Jesus loves him. Everyone else here thinks he's an asshole.

[TheSarge]

And the point of this religious "lecture" is...................... ?

Our religion is better than your religion /DU

[TheSarge]

You didn't read the initial post in this thread (the long one).  If you did, you ignored it.  That's OK.  We know that's what many do.  They ignore most of the Bible.

Peace Out

Wow.  Arrogant much?  You obviously know Bible passages but you don't understand them.

That passage it saying that you should do things out of your own heart and the kindness of your spirit...not because you've had a gun put to your head by the Federal government.

You're using bible passages to justify Socialism...which in itself is a Godless religion free political theory.

Which just tells me you have ZERO comprehension of the teaching beyond how you can use them politically.

Which is pathetic.

[the_christian_left]

Good work, doc, although I would've just told the sanctimonious little prick to go **** himself.

I'm sure Jesus loves him. Everyone else here thinks he's an asshole.

So typical of your kind.  This is exactly why it's pointless to debate or discuss anything with right-wingers.

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[TheSarge]

So typical of your kind.  This is exactly why it's pointless to debate or discuss anything with right-wingers.

Later

I'm smelling a fals prophet here.  A slimy Liberal troll trying to hide behind the Bible to justify Governmental thievery.

Hey troll what does the bible say about false prophets?

[Carl]

So typical of your kind.  This is exactly why it's pointless to debate or discuss anything with right-wingers.

Later

Come back when you can actually discuss things...until then riddance.

[Chris_]

So typical of your kind.  This is exactly why it's pointless to debate or discuss anything with right-wingers.

Later

So far I haven't seen you debate or discuss anything.......just throw up verbal wallpaper, and expect us to swallow it.......

I'm going to ask one more time.......answer the questions that have been posed to you......

doc

[The Hollywood NeoCon]

So typical of your kind.  This is exactly why it's pointless to debate or discuss anything with right-wingers.

Later

What's that??? Passing judgments are we???

Not only are you a sanctimonious little prick, you're quite the hypocrite too.

Go sniff a bus seat, asshole. 

[BEG]

So typical of your kind.  This is exactly why it's pointless to debate or discuss anything with right-wingers.

Later

Ha Ha....you lost. 

[TheSarge]

Amazing how this troll comes here...talks down to us...acts all arrogant and stuff...yet would be banned on it's own webpage for the same kind of behavior.

How "tolerant".
 

[TheSarge]

Hey t_c_l...if you're gonna hang out here...at least have the guts to sign back in...quit just lurking as a guest and watching.

Whats the matter...afraid to engage people in debate?

Would you prefer we all just STFU and accept your garbage posing as religious "thought"?

What are you scare of?

[MrsSmith]

So typical of your kind.  This is exactly why it's pointless to debate or discuss anything with right-wingers.

Later

It's pointless to preach at right-wingers, especially when you can't support your opinion.  You never tried either debating or discussing anything.  Your words:

Take it or leave it. ;>)

I'll "leave it," and stick with the entire Bible instead of your cherry-picked selections.  Let us know if you ever bother learning enough to be able to hold your end up in a discussion.    


Oh, but, Thanks for stopping by and confirming that we have no misconceptions about the left, Christian or otherwise. 

[Mike220]

Whats the matter...afraid to engage people in debate?

Rhetorical question, right? 

[thundley4]

How does the Christian Left feel about abortion? Did I miss that in one his ultra long C&P posts?  I don't see how anyone can claim to be Christian and pro-abortion.  Murdering the innocent unborn children, in my view is one of the most heinous of sins.

[rich_t]

I started to read and got to this...... That is all I will read.. next!

The same spot where I stopped reading too.

[Thor]

I sent the little troll packing. What a f'n hypocrite.

[MrsSmith]

I know this is a dead topic, but I would like to make one more point...the OP was full of lies and half truths.  For instance, the line that 1 of 9 verses deals with the poor.  I don't have any idea which 9 verses they cherry-picked to get that statistic, but I do know that the majority of time, when Jesus mentioned the poor, He said, "the poor have the gospel preached to them," or "Blessed [are] the poor in spirit."   Sorry, but I just can't stand lies. 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

So typical of your kind.  This is exactly why it's pointless to debate or discuss anything with right-wingers.

Later

meh

Already sent away.

This is a load of hypocritical bullshit.

He says it's pointless to debate but he refuses to answer questions he only points you towards these massive lectures and tells you to take it or leave, just don't ask for clarification or post counter-arguments.

[Mr Mannn]

I just now bumped into this: I dissected the christian left on my blog in 2009.
I repeat the whole thing here. No need to hit the blog and scroll back a year.
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Liberalism ruins everything it touches. The auto-bailout did not save the industry. No, it ensured that the great American institutions went bankrupt just a few months later. The great liberal trillion-dollar stimulus did absolutely nothing to help the economy. It’s the same when you mix liberalism with religion. Such a marriage does NOT result in enlightenment, but rather the abandonment of faith in order to worship its new God: the Liberal political agenda.

The intolerance of liberalism allows for no competition. Liberals are the first to clamp down on free speech that does not agree with them. The free exercise of religion is tolerated only when liberals control everything that is said. Conservative Christians, Fundamentalists (Christians who believe that the Bible is the Word of God) are feared and despised by the left. Liberals believe in so much that goes against the grain of the church that the two doctrines cannot coexist.

As a consequence, the liberal church must exalt the liberal agenda in place of the Word of God. The murder of babies, the gay agenda, sexual perversions and immorality, every darkness that liberals embrace must take precedence over the Word of God.

So how can the Christian Left accommodate two such opposing doctrines? It doesn’t. The Christian Left and the Emergent church abandons the Word, and denies Jesus in favor of its new God, Liberalism. Any conversation with Liberal worshipers will reveal this. To them, nothing in the Bible is trustworthy, its all fables or the original meaning has been lost in time.

(Fact: the Word of God IS true. It has been preserved by Divine providence. All documents and translation we have today match exactly-word for word what existed in historical texts. For reference I post the book: Evidence That Demands a Verdict, by Josh McDowell.)

Back to the topic. The Emergent church and the Liberals must by necessity discount the Word of God because it conflicts with their earthly man-made doctrine. The Emergents reduce God to a simple force of love, with no concern over such trivial things as sin. They deny Jesus when He says:
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Through this verse and others Jesus makes the claim that there is NO salvation apart from Him.

--- The Christian Left/Emergent Church turn must their backs on Jesus in order to be all-inclusive. To them, all paths lead to God. In order to embrace the Liberal agenda, they must utterly reject the Word of God.

I spoke to an emergent about this.
I asked, “Do you believe that God is powerful enough to ensure the Word He revealed stays pure?”
The Emergent explained. “Yes, I believe He is powerful enough. But God chooses not to.”

And he knows this…How? Certainly the left has no divine revelation that this is so.
The question is, “Why would such an uncaring God send His only Son to die for us?”
And if all paths lead to heaven, was the sacrifice of Christ even necessary?
The Emergents have no answer for their heresy. Liberal doctrine doesn’t allow for such deep thought.

The denial of Christ and the rejection of the Bible leaves the Liberal church an empty, morally vacuous place. They don’t even believe in sin. Deny the light of truth, and every evil will creep in with the darkness.
Isaiah 29:13 The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.


The Bottom Line:The Emergent Church and the Christian Left are simply NOT Christian. They are a cult that worships a political agenda. The Jesus they present is False. They embrace the murder of babies, the perversion of homosexuality, and the doctrines of demons. They hold the Bible, sing the old tunes, play at church, but they are wolves in sheep’s clothing. Nothing good will come from this perversion of faith.

Galatians 1:6-9 "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

Rev 3: 14-16
"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:
I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot.
So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.

[USA4ME]

There's no such thing as "liberal Christianity" and "conservative Christianity."  You can't find it anywhere in the scriptures.  One is either obedient to Jesus Christ and a follower of His, or they aren't.  Those that are obedient are Christains, and those who don't are not.  That's it.  No liberal or conservative or any other label involved. 

In keeping with the topic of "liberal Christian,"  I agree with Mr Mann that those who refer to themselves as such are "a cult that worships a political agenda."  I would say the same thing about any group who allow their political beliefs to supercede what the scriptures teach rather than allowing what the scriptures teach influence how they may view certain political topics of the day.

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