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Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« on: May 30, 2010, 06:43:32 PM »
Did someone get fired?
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Poll question: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their application?
   
Plain and simple. If you lie on an employment application, and get the job, does your employer have the right to fire you when they find out you told a lie in order to get the job?

Poll result (180 votes)
Yes   (152 votes, 84%)   
No   (8 votes, 4%)   
Maybe   (20 votes, 11%)
Don't think the poll is going the way the OP wanted.
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2010, 06:45:55 PM »
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2010, 06:47:58 PM »
They didn't like it, but it was pretty obvious to most DUmmies.
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2010, 07:56:33 PM »
Quote from: FGL on May 30, 2010, 06:47:58 PM
They didn't like it, but it was pretty obvious to most DUmmies.

Depends on the lie I would think.

Say someone applies for a job that normally  has young workers and they are say 5 years over the line.   So they shave a few years off their age.

They know the health insurance the company has is picky so they forget to mention a back injury 20 years ago.

They got arrested for a felony at age 18 but cleared of all charges--so they check a box saying they were never arrested.

All depends on the company and how usefull you are to them.
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2010, 08:13:38 PM »
Quote from: vesta111 on May 30, 2010, 07:56:33 PM
Depends on the lie I would think.

Say someone applies for a job that normally  has young workers and they are say 5 years over the line.   So they shave a few years off their age.

They know the health insurance the company has is picky so they forget to mention a back injury 20 years ago.

They got arrested for a felony at age 18 but cleared of all charges--so they check a box saying they were never arrested.

All depends on the company and how usefull you are to them.


If the person is valuable enough, the company might overlook some small fibs, but it would depend on the type of business and what the lie was.  That was not the question though.  Does a company have the right to fire someone for lying on their application.   Yes, and almost every application has a statement to the effect that lying on the application is grounds for termination.
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2010, 08:18:52 PM »
Sure they do! Most applications say as much.

That being said, a bit of advise for the "victims" of this practice:  Don't do anything that will jeapordize your future job prospects.

If you are known thief don't apply at a bank.

If you are a drug addict, forget the pharmacy assistant job.

Ya'll get my drift. . .
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2010, 08:19:49 PM »
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2010, 08:48:21 PM »
Quote from: Big Don on May 30, 2010, 08:19:49 PM
I've seen this episode of JAG, the cute little brunette was a whiny bitch...

The DUmmie was stoopid to go in without a guaranteed rate.
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2010, 08:25:51 AM »
When one fills out a job application, its a contract. On that contract, you agree that everything you have written on it is true to the best of your knowledge.

Also..

Even though we have rights, we may voluntarily agree to limitations on those rights during work hours as a condition of employment. And in other cases, there are agreements in your employment contract that limit what you can do outside of work as well. Its spelled out in the employment contract. If one agrees to employment terms with tough requirements, then its nobodies fault but the employees if they lose their job because they broke the agreement.

for example - a common employment requirement is the employee 'must be bondable' - if you are or become unbondable because of a criminal record you gain outside of work, you lose your job.

Other jobs with a high visibility of its employees require proper decorum outside of the workplace. So, getting drunk and disorderly on weekends, or putting photos of yourself pole-dancing on Facebook may cost you your job.

-- another example may be working for a Catholic organization as a proud 'out there' atheist. 



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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2010, 10:00:29 AM »
Not admitting to a felony is a big no-no, particularly if it's a job that requires some type of license.

Vesta...I don't think it's legal to ask age any more on a job application. They get around it by asking school and work history, but I don't think they can come right out an ask.

I do agree, that an employer should be allowed to fire an employee for lying....particularly about job experience, education, and criminal history - or lack of.
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2010, 06:42:27 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on May 30, 2010, 08:48:21 PM
The DUmmie was stoopid to go in without a guaranteed rate.
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2010, 06:44:12 PM »
Quote from: Big Don on May 31, 2010, 06:42:27 PM
I told you I saw this episode...

According to DUmmies, all recruiters lie, all the time. Mine didn't.
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2010, 07:03:04 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on May 31, 2010, 06:44:12 PM
According to DUmmies, all recruiters lie, all the time. Mine didn't.
Mine did, but, not about anything important.
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2010, 07:08:40 PM »
Never lie about medical treatment especially if you collected ins. or W/C no matter how long ago. The MIB keeps it on file for 99 years.......and coverage WILL be voided if you claim it again unless the State law has a cutoff, as many do now.
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2010, 09:12:34 PM »
that thread just keeps getting better.

just when you think their ideas couldn't be anymore out there, i present william z. foster...


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93. the more I think about this...
   
I oppose the entire concept of firing anyone, let alone the idea that one person has a right to fire another.

It is amazing the things we have been indoctrinated into thinking of as normal and acceptable.
   
 
tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts)    Mon May-31-10 05:52 PM
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94. So in your mind, no one should ever be allowed to get fired? n/t
   
   
 
William Z. Foster (1000+ posts)    Mon May-31-10 06:12 PM
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95. correct
   
That is my position.
   
 
tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts)    Mon May-31-10 06:16 PM
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96. I think that's nuts
   
I've fired people before, they deserved it. They were either stealing or pissing off my customers where I worked (and didn't knock it off after I told them too). There's a lot of reasons someone can and should be fired, including stealing, harassment, lying, etc.
   
 
William Z. Foster (1000+ posts)    Mon May-31-10 06:21 PM
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98. you made my case for me
   
In those instances where there is stealing, harassment, lying going on, can you not imagine any other approach?

Why do you get to decide who does and who does not "deserve" this, and then get to do it?
   
 
tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts)    Mon May-31-10 06:30 PM
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99. No, I cannot imagine another approach
   
Edited on Mon May-31-10 06:31 PM by tammywammy
When an employee is stealing they deserve to get fired. If someone is actively harassing other employees they deserve to get fired. Stealing and harassment are non-negotiable types of behavior. The reason I was the one to decide is because I was the manager running the store, and when people were hired on they accepted the types of behavior that the store deemed appropriate, and their nifty employee handbook stated they would get fired for stealing and harassment.

edited to add: If I harass people where I work now, I would deserve to get fired. I knew that when I took the job and signed paperwork to that effect.
   
 
William Z. Foster (1000+ posts)     Mon May-31-10 06:36 PM
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100. fair enough
   
Edited on Mon May-31-10 06:37 PM by William Z. Foster
None of us apply much creativity to these issues. You are describing the situation as it exists accurately, I think. But what a horrible situation.

People do not get fired for stealing and harassment. They get fired because their boss accuses them of those.

"Deserve." Ugh. How awful.

 
wow.

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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2010, 09:12:59 PM »
Of course they have the right. That question is stupid. Otherwise, what would even be the point? I can tweak this and that, and I will come out as the better one to hire. I'd rather not get a job than be fired from one for lying.
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2010, 09:15:22 PM »
Quote from: sofa king on May 31, 2010, 09:12:34 PM
that thread just keeps getting better.

just when you think their ideas couldn't be anymore out there, i present william z. foster...


 
wow.

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That guy's thinking is clearly irrational and absurd.
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2010, 09:25:04 PM »
Peggy inserted herself into the thread:

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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2010, 09:42:46 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on May 31, 2010, 09:25:04 PM
Peggy inserted herself into the thread:


Told you. If it can't be about her, what is the point of her even posting? Skanky bitch.
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2010, 09:46:08 PM »
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2010, 09:48:05 PM »
Quote from: soleil on May 31, 2010, 09:42:46 PM
Told you. If it can't be about her, what is the point of her even posting? Skanky bitch.

Sounds like greenbriar.  Whatever happened to her anyway?  Did we scare her off?
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2010, 09:55:51 PM »
Quote from: chris_ on May 31, 2010, 09:48:05 PM
Sounds like greenbriar.  Whatever happened to her anyway?  Did we scare her off?

I was harsh to call CP that. I try to be a little better than that. She is a selfish bitch. Skanky? I really don't know about that.

Anyway, Greenbriar? Is she the one that is sick all of the time and has the most outrageous things happen to her? If that is her, well she is crazy. Bless her heart.
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2010, 09:59:00 PM »
Pretty much.  Frau Grünbriar won our DUmmy of the year award for her ridiculous stories.
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2010, 10:55:25 PM »
Quote from: debk on May 31, 2010, 10:00:29 AM
Not admitting to a felony is a big no-no, particularly if it's a job that requires some type of license.

Vesta...I don't think it's legal to ask age any more on a job application. They get around it by asking school and work history, but I don't think they can come right out an ask.

I do agree, that an employer should be allowed to fire an employee for lying....particularly about job experience, education, and criminal history - or lack of.

Very true. As for job, some places a person works at or the supervisor may not be there anymore. As for crime, don't even bother to lie because they can find that easily.
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Re: Does an employer have the right to fire an employee who lied on their applicatio
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2010, 11:30:46 PM »
William Z Fister is a total moron
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