Government compiling a secret list of citizens to detain under martial law?

[bijou]

seemslikeadream  (1000+ posts)       Thu Jun-05-08 10:34 PM
Original message
Is the government compiling a secret list of citizens to detain under martial law?
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ARE YOU ON THE LIST? The federal government has been developing a highly classified plan that will override the Constitution in the event of a major terrorist attack (Photo: Illustration by Brett Ryder)



http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-magazine/2008/05/go...


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In July 2007 and again last August, Representative Peter DeFazio, a Democrat from Oregon and a senior member of the House Homeland Security Committee, sought access to the "classified annexes" of the Bush administration's Continuity of Government program. DeFazio's interest was prompted by Homeland Security Presidential Directive 20 (also known as NSPD-51), issued in May 2007, which reserves for the executive branch the sole authority to decide what constitutes a national emergency and to determine when the emergency is over. DeFazio found this unnerving.

But he and other leaders of the Homeland Security Committee, including Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, were denied a review of the Continuity of Government classified annexes. To this day, their calls for disclosure have been ignored by the White House. In a press release issued last August, DeFazio went public with his concerns that the NSPD-51 Continuity of Government plans are "extra-constitutional or unconstitutional." Around the same time, he told the Oregonian: "Maybe the people who think there's a conspiracy out there are right."

None of the leading presidential candidates have been asked the question, "As president, will you continue aggressive domestic surveillance programs in the vein of the Bush administration?"Congress itself has recently widened the path for both extra-constitutional detentions by the White House and the domestic use of military force during a national emergency. The Military Commissions Act of 2006 effectively suspended habeas corpus and freed up the executive branch to designate any American citizen an "enemy combatant" forfeiting all privileges accorded under the Bill of Rights. The John Warner National Defense Authorization Act, also passed in 2006, included a last-minute rider titled "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies," which allowed the deployment of U.S. military units not just to put down domestic insurrections—as permitted under posse comitatus and the Insurrection Act of 1807—but also to deal with a wide range of calamities, including "natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack, or incident."

More troubling, in 2002, Congress authorized funding for the U.S. Northern Command, or NORTHCOM, which, according to Washington Post military intelligence expert William Arkin, "allows for emergency military operations in the United States without civilian supervision or control."

"We are at the edge of a cliff and we're about to fall off," says constitutional lawyer and former Reagan administration official Bruce Fein. "To a national emergency planner, everybody looks like a danger to stability. There's no doubt that Congress would have the authority to denounce all this—for example, to refuse to appropriate money for the preparation of a list of U.S. citizens to be detained in the event of martial law. But Congress is the invertebrate branch. They say, 'We have to be cautious.' The same old crap you associate with cowards. None of this will change under a Democratic administration, unless you have exceptional statesmanship and the courage to stand up and say, 'You know, democracies accept certain risks that tyrannies do not.'"


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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts)       Thu Jun-05-08 10:55 PM
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1. For the love of God, SLAD...
 Is there anything so goofy that even YOU won't promote it? Do yourself a favor and research the numerous RW organizations that swore up and down that Clinton was going to declare "marshall law" (I'm not kidding...they actually spelled it like that) and suspend the elections. It's was stupid (and obviously untrue) then and its equally stupid and obviously untrue now. I've also noticed that you use fear as a motivator a lot. Isn't that a complaint you have about the Bush administration. Just askin'.

Ghost in the Machine  (1000+ posts)       Thu Jun-05-08 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Do you have anything relevant (or intelligent) to add to the conversation?
 Or do you just like stalking and harrassing a lady? Take your tired ass blithering and run it on someone else, little boy... it's beyond stale, it has mold growing on it...
 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x207755#207758

[Airwolf]

Well lets see. All they need is the members list from DU,Daily Kos,most of NU and the DNC. That would pretty much cover around 40% of the names they need. the rest they probably already have in the dozen or so Cray Super Computers at Langley. The best part is ,even if this was true you DUmmies still wouldn't do jack about it. 

[bijou]

Well lets see. All they need is the members list from DU,Daily Kos,most of NU and the DNC. That would pretty much cover around 40% of the names they need. the rest they probably already have in the dozen or so Cray Super Computers at Langley. The best part is ,even if this was true you DUmmies still wouldn't do jack about it. 

Don't be unfair.    There would be an online petition and a campaign of sending notebooks to VP Cheney.  How much more action could they take? 

[delilahmused]

That they actually think they're relevant enough to be on anyone's list is completely pathetic. A bunch keyboard Elmer Fudd jihadis are only a threat to themselves, the Cheeto's section of the grocery store, and maybe a few "W" keys on their keyboard.

Cindie

[rich_t]

Hell....  How many gun owners have been on that list for years?

 

[jukin]

Does your guys list say put in camps?

Mine says shoot, then mass grave 'em.

[Freeper]

SDuderstadt (1000+ posts)       Thu Jun-05-08 10:55 PM
Response to Original message
1. For the love of God, SLAD...
 Is there anything so goofy that even YOU won't promote it? Do yourself a favor and research the numerous RW organizations that swore up and down that Clinton was going to declare "marshall law" (I'm not kidding...they actually spelled it like that) and suspend the elections. It's was stupid (and obviously untrue) then and its equally stupid and obviously untrue now. I've also noticed that you use fear as a motivator a lot. Isn't that a complaint you have about the Bush administration. Just askin'.

hmmmm mole perhaps? 

[mamacags]

Does your guys list say put in camps?

Mine says shoot, then mass grave 'em.

Mine said to use them as biofuel to heat the neighborhood.  I am supposed to somehow render their fat to run my Hummer too.  I am not sure I know how to do that though.  Please don't tell Lord Rove on me.