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Offline jinxmchue

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Iowa judge rules minor's strip act is protected speech
« on: August 06, 2008, 11:20:09 PM »
Fremont County Judge Timothy O'Grady recently stated that law enforcement officials did not meet the burden of proof that the "Shotgun Geniez" strip club was not qualified for the exemption. Pat Trueman, special counsel to the Alliance Defense Fund and former chief federal obscenity prosecutor for the Justice Department, says the Supreme Court has unfortunately ruled strip clubs are legal in some circumstances.
 
"It's on the fringes of the First Amendment. But there is some protection," said Trueman. "However...this case...doesn't seem to fit the bill because this was a minor child -- and a minor child in a nude performance is not protected..."
 
Prosecutors only filed charges after learning that a 17-year-old girl, who had entered the club illegally, was allowed to strip for patrons. But the club's owners claimed the "artistic nudity" loophole protected them and that they were not responsible for the actions of the child. The local judge agreed, but Trueman does not.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=204996

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It's like falsely shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater - it ain't protected speech.

Undoubtedly, though, the pedophiles in Iowa are cheering tonight.

Someone needs to post this at the DUmp.  I'd love to see their reaction to it.
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Re: Iowa judge rules minor's strip act is protected speech
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2008, 11:28:38 PM »
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Re: Iowa judge rules minor's strip act is protected speech
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2008, 06:06:26 AM »
Iowa is certainly living up to it's nickname these days.
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Re: Iowa judge rules minor's strip act is protected speech
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2008, 09:03:16 AM »
A 17-year-old stripping has nothing to do with paedophilia.  It might or might not violate a bunch of laws, especially if someone films it knowing she's 17, but it ain't paedophilia.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2008, 09:05:28 AM by DumbAss Tanker »
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Re: Iowa judge rules minor's strip act is protected speech
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2008, 05:31:35 PM »
Its unfortunate but I think she got in with a fake ID in the first place so unless the bar knew she was 17 they can't hold them accountable for that. That being said they should make it 21 or over to work there and find a new way to do background checks on employees and stop the amateurs night contest . That way it will decrease the chance some kid will take a crack at doing the hokey pokey in the nude.
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Re: Iowa judge rules minor's strip act is protected speech
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2008, 12:12:37 AM »
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That being said they should make it 21 or over to work there

I disagree.  A person of legal age, 18 in this country, should be allowed to work in any legal job they desire.

I may not approve of their chosen profession, but I feel they have the right to make that choice for themselves.

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and find a new way to do background checks on employees and stop the amateurs night contest .

Easier said than done.  With fake ID's so rampant, how would an employer go about conducting such a check?

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Re: Iowa judge rules minor's strip act is protected speech
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2008, 12:36:14 AM »
If they were doing the background checks in the first place they'd have less excuses to give the ICE agents for all the illegals in their employ.
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Re: Iowa judge rules minor's strip act is protected speech
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2008, 12:39:38 AM »
Quote from: LC EFA on August 08, 2008, 12:36:14 AM
If they were doing the background checks in the first place they'd have less excuses to give the ICE agents for all the illegals in their employ.


Again...  How is an employer supposed to conduct such a check?

What tools are available to them?

I honestly don't know.
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Re: Iowa judge rules minor's strip act is protected speech
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2008, 01:27:16 PM »
Quote from: TheSarge on August 07, 2008, 06:06:26 AM
Iowa is certainly living up to it's nickname these days.

What, the Hawkeye State?

...or do you mean Missouri, the Show Me State?  :-)
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Re: Iowa judge rules minor's strip act is protected speech
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2008, 03:05:07 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on August 08, 2008, 12:12:37 AM


I disagree.  A person of legal age, 18 in this country, should be allowed to work in any legal job they desire.

I may not approve of their chosen profession, but I feel they have the right to make that choice for themselves.



I would agree with you except for the fact that 18-20 year olds aren't allowed to make their own decision to drink alcoholic beverages.  The fact is, in this country, 18-year-olds are only of limited legal age.  They are not fully considered adults.
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Re: Iowa judge rules minor's strip act is protected speech
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2008, 01:40:52 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on August 08, 2008, 12:12:37 AM
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That being said they should make it 21 or over to work there

I disagree.  A person of legal age, 18 in this country, should be allowed to work in any legal job they desire.

I may not approve of their chosen profession, but I feel they have the right to make that choice for themselves.

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and find a new way to do background checks on employees and stop the amateurs night contest .

Easier said than done.  With fake ID's so rampant, how would an employer go about conducting such a check?



Its hard to fake ann Iowa Drivers Licence. Untill your over 18 your drivers licence is different then those that are younger. The design on it is different and the under 18 licence is printed so that its verticle and 18 and older is printed horizontal. Then there is the SS numbers. If an employer can check the SS of anyone they would find that the age wouldn't match what the applicant says or they would find that number they gave was false
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Re: Iowa judge rules minor's strip act is protected speech
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2008, 09:16:47 PM »
Quote from: Lord Undies on August 08, 2008, 03:05:07 PM
Quote from: rich_t on August 08, 2008, 12:12:37 AM


I disagree.  A person of legal age, 18 in this country, should be allowed to work in any legal job they desire.

I may not approve of their chosen profession, but I feel they have the right to make that choice for themselves.



I would agree with you except for the fact that 18-20 year olds aren't allowed to make their own decision to drink alcoholic beverages.  The fact is, in this country, 18-year-olds are only of limited legal age.  They are not fully considered adults.

I strongly disagree with the law(s) that requires a citizen to be 21 to legally drink alcohol.  If they are old enough to vote and old enough to enlist in the Armed Services and die serving their country, they are old enough to legally have an alcoholic beverage while in this country IMO.
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Re: Iowa judge rules minor's strip act is protected speech
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2008, 09:20:22 PM »
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If an employer can check the SS of anyone they would find that the age wouldn't match what the applicant says or they would find that number they gave was false

Since when have employers had the ability to check SS numbers provided on an job application against those actually in the SS database? 

To my knowledge they can't.
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Re: Iowa judge rules minor's strip act is protected speech
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2008, 10:07:57 PM »
Quote from: Vonne on August 17, 2008, 09:26:25 PM
Quote from: Airwolf on August 07, 2008, 05:31:35 PM
Its unfortunate but I think she got in with a fake ID in the first place so unless the bar knew she was 17 they can't hold them accountable for that. That being said they should make it 21 or over to work there and find a new way to do background checks on employees and stop the amateurs night contest . That way it will decrease the chance some kid will take a crack at doing the hokey pokey in the nude.

Background checks?  Are you kidding... lets be honest, most strip clubs want coked out girls, and even better if they're here illegally. 

Bitchslap for making such a blanket statement.
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Re: Iowa judge rules minor's strip act is protected speech
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2008, 10:16:17 PM »
Quote from: Vonne on August 17, 2008, 10:10:03 PM
Shrugs, no worries, honestly though... you disagree?   

I really can't comment.  I haven't been to a strip club in over a decade.

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