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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on May 30, 2017, 04:27:47 PM
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Star Member JHan (4,776 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029135151
Why was Tiger Woods arrested for DUI?
Last edited Tue May 30, 2017, 02:34 PM - Edit history (3)
0.000 on the breathalyzer http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/19496396/tiger-woods-found-asleep-car-arrest-dui-charge
and he pulled over to recover from the effects of prescription medication. http://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/05/tiger_woods_busted_for_bad_reaction_to_medicine_al.html
He did what he was supposed to do when disoriented - pull over and rest to ensure others are not at risk, he was not moving. It's absurd.
EDIT: He didn't "Pull over" but was in the right lane. Some reports say he was on the side of the road. That fact does NOT change this case here.
The only person harmed in this incident was Tiger himself ( whether he suffers from addiction prescription drugs or not) and THAT distinction matters. It is an authoritarian tendency that seeks the full brunt of the law to be applied to someone whose "crime" did not harm others. A more utilitarian approach would be to recognize that since there was no harm to others, understanding should have been the first reaction instead of subjecting the individual to the full extent of the law.
The idea that he was DUI, under the influence, of a drug isn't in dispute. A breathalyzer measures the blood ALCOHOL level of the suspect. It doesn't measure drugs in the system. A blood test is conducted where the suspect shows sings of intoxication but measures 0.00 on the PBT.
Even Woods isn't arguing that he had drugs in his system. You find someone passed out in the road and you check them with the Standard Sobriety Test- they fail but pas the PBT and Breathalyzer... you do a drug test. Usually you charge and release the suspect, as the blood test takes a while. In Nebraska you have to send to it the crime lab which is backed up 3 to 6 months.
Once the test is completed and the suspect is either shown to be under the influence of drugs, or not... he is brought into court and found guilty or innocent and that is that.
Of course... in DU land is't gotta be because he's black... or something.
Star Member JHan (4,776 posts)
3. He was not moving, the law is ridiculous.
The purpose should be to ensure others are not at risk. Not criminalize people who are recovering due to unforeseen circumstances- especially in a situation like this where he's had several surgeries and on medication.
The law is the law. Period. You don't get a waiver simply because you don't like it.
rufus dog (6,348 posts)
71. Nope
In CA it is being in the car with the keys! Case 1, buddy gets pissed at girlfriend after they did a couple shots, he drives down the street, realizes he shouldn't be driving, pulls into a parking lot, takes the keys out of the ignition and puts them on the dashboard. Gets a DUI.
Another case a coworker has too much at a hospitality suite. Tries to rent a room, no rooms, goes out the his truck, sleeps in the truck bed with keys in his pocket, issue was the truck had a shell so he could have climbed from the shell into the passenger compartment, so he got a DUI.
1) guy was guilty of a DUI.
2) Bullshit. Guy did not drive the vehicle at all- thus not a DRIVING while intoxicated.
Star Member SoCalMusicLover (1,665 posts)
2. Did He Pull Over?
I had heard he was stopped in the lane, with his blinker on, and the car still running. If that's the case, it was justified.
Codeine (18,163 posts)
24. I just read the police report.
He was in the roadway (right lane), car running, foot on brake, passed out.
AND now, with police body cameras, there is a video record of the whole thing.
oberliner (43,733 posts)
8. He wasn't pulled over
A Jupiter police officer said he found Woods' 2015 black Mercedes-Benz stopped in a roadway in the right lane and the golfer buckled in the driver's seat. The car was still running and the right blinker was flashing.
Woods, who had been wearing a white shirt and black shorts, was roused from his sleep, the officer said, adding that he "had extremely slow and slurred speech."
Star Member JHan (4,776 posts)
13. My point is he posed no risk to anyone, he was stationary.
He did what people who are disoriented should do - park to the side of the road and recover.
You really are quite dense, aren't you?
padfun (733 posts)
56. Well, in my three DUI.s, I wasnt posing a risk to others either
I was used to driving drunk, but they gave them to me anyways. His car was running, so yes, he was a risk earlier.
Note: I no longer drink. Last one was 16 years ago.
In Nebraska, on your 3rd DUI you get jail time.
Star Member INdemo (5,888 posts)
27. I am curious how much it cost Tiger for law enfforcement to state that his breataylzer test
was .000...doesnt mak sense. at 3AM and shortly after "last call" he pulls over and falls asleep.
The advantage Tiger had was $$ and he had 8 hours to dream up his story
First of all if his breathalyzer test was .000 he would not have been arrested and he would not have been required to post bond just for sleeping along the highway.
Failed logic and knowledge of the law. Yes- you can be arrested if your BAC is 0.0 but you still show signs of intoxication. That's why we do the blood test to see if other chemicals in your system are effecting you driving ability. That's why it's called DUI and not drunk driving.
He wasn't required to post bond. He was released on his own recognizance. Once the blood test comes back positive he'll get a court date.
Star Member HipChick (15,388 posts)
28. Black while not driving....
The militant negro section reports in.
Star Member JHan (4,776 posts)
81. So the option of escorting him home was out of the question?
Not any more- with police body cams on we are only allowed to execute the law in every case. We don't get to make judgement calls anymore.
Rustyeye77 (851 posts)
86. DWB
I'm just glad the cops didn't shot him.
Star Member malaise (156,635 posts)
94. Driving while black and already hated
RhodeIslandOne (72 posts)
118. A stupid insult to black people who've been arrested for no crime of any sort
The loudest and most obnoxious posts, Jhan, identifies as a black nationalist supporter of BLM... but you already guessed that, right? :whatever:
WellDarn (255 posts)
114. Just a little help,
You seem to be getting hell from a bunch of posters who insist that the police reports say his car was in the middle of the road. I'll set aside my personal biases and not assume that anything a cop puts in a report after arresting a black guy is a lie. Even after doing that, however, it's important to note that the report only says that Woods was in the roadway.
"In the roadway" includes having any portion of the vehicle, even a single millimeter, touching or extending over any paved or graded portion of the road. Unless they have something more than the report, the people who are attacking your statement that Woods was pulled over by claiming he was in the middle of the right lane are revealing more about themselves than about this incident.
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I'm only surprised by the fact that it took well over 24 hours for this to finally become a conversation on DU
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**** him, he is rich and can hire a good schyster lawyer to get him off. :argh: :argh:
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Point of fact, Woods refused a brethalizer test. If you google the body cam he was pretty much incapacitated. However, if only Woods would have been illegal, he would have got off because, if you are here illegally you can do illegal actions with no repercussions.
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:thatsright: As the freeway signs here in the Bay Area are warning ignorami, DUI is not limited to alcohol. :thatsright: If I foolishly consume too many GU electrolyte gel packets, start seeing things that aren't there and drive, I could get a DUI even though I haven't consumed anything containing alcohol in over a month. :thatsright:
:thatsright: Woods was using all 6 lanes (or whatever it was) of the freeway, got pulled over, and refused a breathalyzer test. :thatsright: Any white dude who does that in any US state is going to spend hours in jail or in the hospital (in custody). :thatsright:
BTW, the officer who pulled Woods over probably did not know Woods was black until he walked up to his vehicle or called in his plates just before walking up. It was 2:49 in the morning!
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Gotta be racist cops. I know a white guy who got drunk, plunged his car into a lake, left the scene, and let his passenger die and he got off scot-free.
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Here are the DUI laws in Florida. If you refuse a Breathalyzer your penalty will be loss of license for 1 year and up to a $1000 fine and possible 10 days in jail. If you get caught driving while your license is suspended for DUI or for refusing to blow you can get up to a year.
If this is his first DUI he should have blown on the breathalyzer because he would have lost his license for just 6 months.
Dutch, you can be arrested for DUI even if your not driving nor have driven your car. Just sitting in it with the keys and being intoxicated is enough. It is called power to operate. The trick we use to avoid this if we have been drinking and needed to pull over is to hide the keys somewhere you can find them and when the cop find you and ask for your keys you tell them you tossed them over there (where ever you want there to be) and tell them you are going to find them when it is safer to drive. At worse they'll take you in for public intoxication. If you're lucky they'll let you sleep it off in your car. Either way it beats a DUI.
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:thatsright: As the freeway signs here in the Bay Area are warning ignorami, DUI is not limited to alcohol. :thatsright: If I foolishly consume too many GU electrolyte gel packets, start seeing things that aren't there and drive, I could get a DUI even though I haven't consumed anything containing alcohol in over a month. :thatsright:
:thatsright: Woods was using all 6 lanes (or whatever it was) of the freeway, got pulled over, and refused a breathalyzer test. :thatsright: Any white dude who does that in any US state is going to spend hours in jail or in the hospital (in custody). :thatsright:
BTW, the officer who pulled Woods over probably did not know Woods was black until he walked up to his vehicle or called in his plates just before walking up. It was 2:49 in the morning!
If your an NFL player in Florida they cut you some slack regardless of your race. Had one Jaguar drive his car in to a pond and let him call someone to take him and his girl home.
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Gotta be racist cops. I know a white guy who got drunk, plunged his car into a lake, left the scene, and let his passenger die and he got off scot-free.
Well played, well played indeed.
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Here are the DUI laws in Florida. If you refuse a Breathalyzer your penalty will be loss of license for 1 year and up to a $1000 fine and possible 10 days in jail. If you get caught driving while your license is suspended for DUI or for refusing to blow you can get up to a year.
If this is his first DUI he should have blown on the breathalyzer because he would have lost his license for just 6 months.
Dutch, you can be arrested for DUI even if your not driving nor have driven your car. Just sitting in it with the keys and being intoxicated is enough. It is called power to operate. The trick we use to avoid this if we have been drinking and needed to pull over is to hide the keys somewhere you can find them and when the cop find you and ask for your keys you tell them you tossed them over there (where ever you want there to be) and tell them you are going to find them when it is safer to drive. At worse they'll take you in for public intoxication. If you're lucky they'll let you sleep it off in your car. Either way it beats a DUI.
Here in WV it is if the keys are in the ignition. Shows intent to drive. Dunno what the deal is with the new cars and the push button key fob thingy.
A lot of it is really up to the discretion of the officer. For instance if you are passed out in the car in the bar parking lot, the cop might cut you a break. Side of the road? Probably not.
Personally I think the cops go a little overboard on the intent to drive deal. Don't condone drunk driving in the least here, but lets say it is cold and you decide not to drive but need to warm the car up before passing out.
That is just me. :cheersmate:
As for Tiger... anyone that would cheat on a wife like he had is a freaking idiot.
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Try and digest this drive.
https://theundefeated.com/features/tiger-woods-dui-arrest-police-only-saw-black/
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Try and digest this drive.
https://theundefeated.com/features/tiger-woods-dui-arrest-police-only-saw-black/
And drivel that is.
My takeaways:
Mr. Fletcher, the author, is...
a) infatuated with white women
b) probably a racist
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As for Tiger... anyone that would cheat on a wife like he had is a freaking idiot.
It's the Forbidden Fruit and the Celebrity Privilege things. The females he did when he was on tour probably weren't 3/4 as good looking as his wife, but they were a celebrity perk and an illicit thrill.
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(CNN)Tiger Woods' 2015 Mercedes-Benz showed signs of "fresh damage" on the driver's side of the vehicle when he was found asleep at the wheel the morning of his arrest on suspicion of driving under the influence, police records show.
New documents released late Tuesday afternoon by Jupiter, Florida, police reveal that both tire rims on the driver's side of the Mercedes had minor damage and the front and rear tires on that side of the vehicle were flat.
Police also observed damage to the bumper on the driver's side, white scrapes and scuffs on the rear bumper, and the passenger side rear taillight was not working, according to the documents.
He was apparently ****ed up enough to have done this.
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It's the Forbidden Fruit and the Celebrity Privilege things. The females he did when he was on tour probably weren't 3/4 as good looking as his wife, but they were a celebrity perk and an illicit thrill.
He supposedly banged the wife of fellow PGA tour member Jason Dufner...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-en2qR97ftx0/UlQtkLxEmRI/AAAAAAAABhw/5Z470iIUHDE/s1600/amanda-dufner-2.jpg)
She and Jason split up (probably not just over the fling with Tigger), and Tigger and Jason have NOT been paired in a PGA event since.
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I can't bring it over (at the moment, probably), but the cover of today's New York Post has Woods' mugshot with the caption STONEY THE TIGER. :lmao: :rotf: :lol: :rofl:
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Didn't Minnesota Moses tell the primitives that this story wasn't all that important? How dare they not obey him!
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Didn't Minnesota Moses tell the primitives that this story wasn't all that important? How dare they not obey him!
When there's race-baiting to be done ... MM is just another white guy.
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I can't bring it over (at the moment, probably), but the cover of today's New York Post has Woods' mugshot with the caption STONEY THE TIGER. :lmao: :rotf: :lol: :rofl:
Nice! :rotf:
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Nice! :rotf:
I held it up in the convenience shop I got it from and said, "I love the Post!" The three workers all saw it and started laughing, as well as half of the six customers.
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I held it up in the convenience shop I got it from and said, "I love the Post!" The three workers all saw it and started laughing, as well as half of the six customers.
That's almost a "bouncy"! :rofl:
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The OP reminds me of a local DUI fatal shooting.(Feaster/search) The DUI suspect's family and Local Dumbasses went on Facedbook and pulled the "If the officer had just let him drive home he'd be alive! :panic:" They, however, glossed over the fact the the DUI suspect had flipped his truck killing his estranged(!) wife who was in the vehicle. Luckily no other innocents were involved.
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He supposedly banged the wife of fellow PGA tour member Jason Dufner...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-en2qR97ftx0/UlQtkLxEmRI/AAAAAAAABhw/5Z470iIUHDE/s1600/amanda-dufner-2.jpg)
She and Jason split up (probably not just over the fling with Tigger), and Tigger and Jason have NOT been paired in a PGA event since.
Can't say I blame him. I'd take a shot at that. :bolt:
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2) Bullshit. Guy did not drive the vehicle at all- thus not a DRIVING while intoxicated.
That may not be the case in Nebraska, but it sure as hell is the law in Tennessee and North Carolina. I have the DUI conviction to prove it.
Parked car, at a friend's house, parked on the side of the road, but my left two tires were barely touching the road surface. Got loaded at a party, no place left to sleep in the house, so I crashed in the car, not driving anywhere. Got pulled out of the car by the local gendarmerie a couple of hours later, taken to the hospital for a blood draw, arrested, charged, and convicted for driving while impaired. The reasoning? I had the keys in my pocket and was inside the car, and therefore was "in control" of a vehicle while intoxicated. Because I was over a .012, I got to spend the next fifteen weekends plus one full week in the county jail.
A friend in North Carolina got a DUI because he was drunk and in possession of the keys and wasn't even in or near the car. His car was parked (properly) on the street and some woman hit his car in the middle of the night. Cops came to take the report, and routine question to my friend: "have you been drinking tonight?" His response, since he thought there was no concern about drinking beer on his own back porch, was affirmative.
"Where are the keys to the car?"
"In my pocket."
"Turn around. You have the right to remain silent...."
Essentially the same reasoning: he had the potential to drive while intoxicated, even though he had been nowhere near the steering wheel that night. He got "lucky" in that he only had to do a week in jail, but North Carolina does not (or at least did not at that time) allow expungement of DUI convictions for any reason, so he had to tell every employer that he had a DUI conviction. Cost him a lot of good jobs over the years.
Now, all of that having been said, it's my understanding that Tiger admitted to taking vicodin (sp?), apparently Rx for back issues. I don't know about anyone else, but when I took vicodin for my hip replacement, it made me do all sorts of weird things. It wasn't really like sleepwalking (which I haven't done for many years, but I definitely remember), because when you're sleepwalking, it's like you're acting out what's going on in your dream. Ergo, I would do things when sleepwalking like put the laundry into the refrigerator, because in my dream, that refrigerator was actually a washing machine. On vicodin, I would be in something more like what I would imagine hypnosis is like, sort of a trance. So I did things like get up at 3:00 in the morning and take the garbage out to my car to take out to the dumpster in the apartment complex. I had no particular reason for doing this, but I felt this sort of dazed compulsion to do it. So I got up at 3:00 in the morning, collected all of the trash, and then took it out to the car, and only really woke up when I realized that I didn't have my car keys and I was sitting in the car in my underwear. I did other strange things, too, like waking up in the middle of the night realizing that I was cleaning the bathtub for no readily apparent reason at that hour. So I do have to wonder, at least a little bit, if this sort of thing happened to Tiger as well. Perhaps he never actually set out to drive in that state, but the drugs made him do something he never really intended to.
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The only person harmed in this incident was Tiger himself ( whether he suffers from addiction prescription drugs or not) and THAT distinction matters. It is an authoritarian tendency that seeks the full brunt of the law to be applied to someone whose "crime" did not harm others. A more utilitarian approach would be to recognize that since there was no harm to others, understanding should have been the first reaction instead of subjecting the individual to the full extent of the law.
What kind of psycho-babble sovereign citizen-esque bullshit is this?
Using your stupid logic, I can shoot at you a bunch of times, and so long as I don't hit you, no harm was committed, and thus no crime.
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Rustyeye77 (851 posts)
86. DWB
I'm just glad the cops didn't shot him.
The cops down here don't shot people, they shoot them. And sometimes feed them to the gators. :o :o
The only person harmed in this incident was Tiger himself ( whether he suffers from addiction prescription drugs or not) and THAT distinction matters. It is an authoritarian tendency that seeks the full brunt of the law to be applied to someone whose "crime" did not harm others. A more utilitarian approach would be to recognize that since there was no harm to others, understanding should have been the first reaction instead of subjecting the individual to the full extent of the law.
The only reason no one else was harmed is because the cops took him off the road.
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Good Grief!
:facepalm:
:facepalm2:
:epicfacepalm:
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Just for comparison:
(http://mankabros.com/blogs/onmedea/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/elin_woods.jpg)