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Re: DR. DEATH DEAD: Kevorkian Dies at Age 83...
« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2011, 05:51:31 PM »
No. He actively pushed the switch on at least two. He claimed they were too weak to do it them self.
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« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2011, 05:52:49 PM »
No. He actively pushed the switch on at least two. He claimed they were too weak to do it them self.

Ahh...  Thanks.
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« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2011, 06:11:08 PM »
...I'm not a priest, but I have several friends in that line of work.

In my younger and more prideful days, I was in favor of Euthanasia. Then a buddy asked me this question. Who's the "mercy" killing really for? The victim, or us?

I tried for a witty retort, but had none. That one took a bit of soul searching. I wouldn't ever presume to answer that question for anyone else.

You can ask him the same question... for whose benefit are we acting when we are required to prolong a life in terminal illness that doesn't wish to be prolonged any longer, and its remaining days will be filled with nothing but suffering?   What are we accomplishing there, except to wash our own hands of a difficult problem that we don't like to think about?    In the end, who is that really easier for?


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« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2011, 06:18:34 PM »
You can ask him the same question... for whose benefit are we acting when we are required to prolong a life in terminal illness that doesn't wish to be prolonged any longer, and its remaining days will be filled with nothing but suffering?   What are we accomplishing there, except to wash our own hands of a difficult problem that we don't like to think about?    In the end, who is that really easier for?



Exactly. If a man wishes to end his own suffering then what right do we have to stop him?
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« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2011, 06:51:37 PM »
To the atheist liberals, when you die, it's the end. To Christians, when you die, it's the beginning. Suicide is a mortal sin and must be answered for.
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« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2011, 07:06:18 PM »
To the atheist liberals, when you die, it's the end. To Christians, when you die, it's the beginning. Suicide is a mortal sin and must be answered for.

ALL sins must be answered for.  I'm not sure that GOD makes any distinctions between one sin and another.
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« Reply #56 on: June 12, 2011, 07:52:24 PM »
ALL sins must be answered for.  I'm not sure that GOD makes any distinctions between one sin and another.

Very true. One thing is for certain. There is no redemption from suicide. You can't ask for forgiveness in advance.
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« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2011, 10:23:14 PM »
He even turned down people who he didnt think were in the right state of mind to make the decision.

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« Reply #58 on: June 13, 2011, 12:26:41 AM »
Very true. One thing is for certain. There is no redemption from suicide. You can't ask for forgiveness in advance.

Show me in the bible where it says that people who commit suicide go to hell.

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« Reply #59 on: June 13, 2011, 05:59:14 AM »
Show me in the bible where it says that people who commit suicide go to hell.

Thou shall not commit murder.

Hell is not mentioned in the bible. What will happen is you will be without God.

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« Reply #60 on: June 13, 2011, 06:13:13 AM »
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Lol. Don't hold your breath. This one doesn't believe in backing up his statements.
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« Reply #61 on: June 13, 2011, 06:16:13 AM »
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Doncha know. He saw it in the Al Pacino movie. It must be true.
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« Reply #62 on: June 13, 2011, 06:36:01 AM »
Such a quick answer for a solvable problem.  

30 years ago people with terminal, painful illnesses went to England and received the Atomic cocktails that were illegal in the USA.  These treatments using drugs not legal in high doses in the USA were a life saver.   The Patients were treated with drugs that eased the pain and allowed the Patients to still have some mental clarity to fight for life, and recognise loved ones, read  write and communicate with family.   Some with pain gone were able to walk talk and interact with other patients.  

Take a 24/7 migraine, life is hell, pain so severe the Patient cannot do more then lay in a dark room in agony.     Given the correct dosage of medicine, the patient can be relieved of pain and function again.    But what if the medication is Outlawed in the amount of dosage needed.

To believe that one must suffer this way for years on end, some people will ask for an out of the agony.   Who can blame the patient for making that decision ????    The nursing staff that knows if they break the law to keep the patient pain free and functioning  will destroy their own lives are the people that run from health care.

This is what medicine is all about, Physician, first do no harm. Difficult for a Doctor to have laws that will not allow them to give people a fighting chance at life, if for only one week of enjoying life.

People at times give up much too early on life, in Kevorkian's list of people he helped are a few people just depressed, in some cases just sending these people on a vacation will snap them out of it.   Take them completely out of their cause for depression and stimulate them away from their problems. Give them a new look at the world, have them begin to start looking forward to each new day, new sights and life as they never seen before.

In the end they have to go home to the same old problems, BUT, getting them out of the mind set poor me------Spend a week in some African villages with people just trying to survive may make their problem seen too small to worry about.

I got this idea when working at TPI in VA. in a private hospital filled with quite a few Navy wives that were so stressed out from husbands gone and becoming weird from the pressures of being far from family and totally responsible for the kids and all the problems that arise.  

All the therapy in the world is not as good as getting away from the problems for awhile, people off themselves when they believe there is no escape, day after day the same shit, no relief in sight. No future or change.-----Must say one of the reasons the Hospital worked out was it gave the Patients time off from their pressures, gave them a different environment and placed them with people with worse problems then their own.

Kevorkian would have had a field day at State run hospitals, he could have run up the carnage by 10 a day.

    


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« Reply #63 on: June 13, 2011, 09:27:59 AM »
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« Reply #64 on: June 13, 2011, 01:47:02 PM »
Thou shall not commit murder.

Hell is not mentioned in the bible. What will happen is you will be without God.



Show me where it says suicide is murder.

So you think your God will abandon you to the fiery pit if you have even one unforgiven sin when you die?

What if you say "Oh my God!" right before you get hit by a bus?

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« Reply #65 on: June 13, 2011, 01:53:29 PM »
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« Reply #66 on: June 13, 2011, 02:02:57 PM »
Who you talkin at, bro?

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« Reply #67 on: June 13, 2011, 02:18:10 PM »
Show me where it says suicide is murder.

So you think your God will abandon you to the fiery pit if you have even one unforgiven sin when you die?

What if you say "Oh my God!" right before you get hit by a bus?

You have no interest in the answers. Your only interest is in antagonizing and disrupting behavior. Typical DUmmy.
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« Reply #68 on: June 13, 2011, 02:35:57 PM »
You have no interest in the answers. Your only interest is in antagonizing and disrupting behavior. Typical DUmmy.

You don't have any ****ing answers, bro.

You're just a typical sky-fairy worshiping hillbilly. I'm surrounded by your kind.

Fortunately for me, they're all poor, like most stupid people.

Poor people like to think they've got some great reward coming to them after their shitty lives are over because they're one of Gawd's chosen shitheads.

Religion and real conservatism don't mix. You just wind up with pretentious meddling liberals who won't shut up about how much they hate liberals. I'd take a liberal who admits what they are any day over one that's in denial.

Nobody who believes the government has the authority to take away your right to die on your own terms is fit to call themselves conservative, and should just start pinning Nancy Pelosi posters on their wall.

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« Reply #69 on: June 13, 2011, 02:40:27 PM »
Great. Another "real conservative."

You have any other purpose besides insulting members?
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« Reply #70 on: June 13, 2011, 03:13:16 PM »
You don't have any ****ing answers, bro.

You're just a typical sky-fairy worshiping hillbilly. I'm surrounded by your kind.

Fortunately for me, they're all poor, like most stupid people.

Poor people like to think they've got some great reward coming to them after their shitty lives are over because they're one of Gawd's chosen shitheads.

Religion and real conservatism don't mix. You just wind up with pretentious meddling liberals who won't shut up about how much they hate liberals. I'd take a liberal who admits what they are any day over one that's in denial.

Nobody who believes the government has the authority to take away your right to die on your own terms is fit to call themselves conservative, and should just start pinning Nancy Pelosi posters on their wall.

Wow. Goes from zero to pissed off in 0.26 nanoseconds.

Tuck can take care of himself, but it looks to me like you're just another Ronulan who's looking for an excuse to do the duffle bag drag.

I'm pretty sure that can be accommodated.

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« Reply #71 on: June 13, 2011, 03:37:30 PM »
Wow. Goes from zero to pissed off in 0.26 nanoseconds.

Tuck can take care of himself, but it looks to me like you're just another Ronulan who's looking for an excuse to do the duffle bag drag.

I'm pretty sure that can be accommodated.

Just sayin'.....

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Our little friend here is rapidly running out of slack as well.

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« Reply #72 on: June 13, 2011, 04:24:26 PM »
You don't have any ****ing answers, bro.

You're right about that. I keep asking questions, hoping to ask the right one.

You're just a typical sky-fairy worshiping hillbilly. I'm surrounded by your kind.

Actually I'm a southerner. If you're surrounded by hillbillies, you're a Yankee.

Fortunately for me, they're all poor, like most stupid people.

I retired at 53. My wife retired at 54.

Poor people like to think they've got some great reward coming to them after their shitty lives are over because they're one of Gawd's chosen shitheads.

I'm not arrogant enough to believe that. I only hope I'm modest enough to pray for that.

Religion and real conservatism don't mix. You just wind up with pretentious meddling liberals who won't shut up about how much they hate liberals. I'd take a liberal who admits what they are any day over one that's in denial.

I'll admit that I wouldn't mind sending a few to their maker. The fact that I haven't, is a testament to my beliefs.

Nobody who believes the government has the authority to take away your right to die on your own terms is fit to call themselves conservative, and should just start pinning Nancy Pelosi posters on their wall.

No one is saying you can't. I'm saying that there will be repercussions
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« Reply #73 on: June 13, 2011, 04:38:23 PM »
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« Reply #74 on: June 13, 2011, 09:57:57 PM »
Who you talkin at, bro?

It would appear that it's you, dickhead.
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