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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2010, 04:39:07 PM »
Now they are talking about a second, smaller Ground Zero Mosque being built too. Apparently there is also talk that the UN is paying for some of this.

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #51 on: May 18, 2010, 04:27:05 PM »
This upsets me greatly. It's not bridging any gaps between Muslims and Americans. It's a direct slap in the face, and a  :bigbird: to every citizen in this country. I don't see how we can legally stop it though.

I'm new, so I don't know if this has come out yet, but I read it is to be built on 9/11/11. Another interesting note is that the series finale of Resecue Me is supposed to air on that date as well. That's been common knowledge for followers of the show for a while though.

 This is just bad all around.

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #52 on: May 18, 2010, 04:42:38 PM »
They are talking about 2 mosques and possibly some UN funding?? jeesh

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #53 on: May 18, 2010, 04:46:10 PM »
Now they are talking about a second, smaller Ground Zero Mosque being built too. Apparently there is also talk that the UN is paying for some of this.

 :censored: You've got to be kidding... The UN funding doesn't really surprise me, but building another one right next to Ground Zero? The media has for the most part, been quiet on this first Mosque. I have heard nothing about this 2nd one. Thanks for the info. Link please?

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2010, 10:01:05 PM »
If I was a contractor that was working on that project I would be pretty embarrassed.

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« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2010, 10:02:05 PM »
If I was a contractor that was working on that project I would be pretty embarrassed.

They'll be union contractors. Their conscience won't bother them.

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #56 on: May 25, 2010, 12:26:30 PM »
Then they're worthless. Mosques haven't been used in the Church sense since the Moorish era.

These things will attract extremists like a bug zapper with the little blue neon light to flies.

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #57 on: May 25, 2010, 08:22:52 PM »
I think Islam needs reform, that's why I supported the Iraq and Afghan war...but we are setting up Islamic Republics, there's a million Christians in Iraq-why are we making them live under Islamic laws? And I'm sure there are good portions of the public who want nothing to do with Islam or brainwashed into it.

If we can't even promote Islamic reform in our own borders, I'm not surprised we are failing to do that overseas. Yeah we liberated the people away from Tyrants and regimes--but the people are still slaves to Islam.

I don't hate most Muslims, I just think most of them are just brainwashed.

Like for example in Iran, where they have a large youth population. They ignore the Islamic rules, they drink and love to party the girls wear their headdress to reveal their hair-kind of like a scarf, a lot of people do Heroine. The government does a pony show of cracking on them, but they don't care. And every Iranian I ever met that immigrated away from Iran does not practice Islam.

On a side note, I would love to see a big ass earthquake destroy Mecca...
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2010, 08:36:43 AM »


On a side note, I would love to see a big ass earthquake destroy Mecca...

Oh, you're writing my dreams.


Or how about a big ass meteor? Now I'd like to see anyone who's religious interpret that as anything but a judgment of God. Now where did I put that mass driver...had it around her somewhere, I know I parked it near those Shadow ships...

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #59 on: May 26, 2010, 09:20:37 AM »
Oh, you're writing my dreams.


Or how about a big ass meteor? Now I'd like to see anyone who's religious interpret that as anything but a judgment of God. Now where did I put that mass driver...had it around her somewhere, I know I parked it near those Shadow ships...

Aren't they all in Mecca to kiss a space rock? A meteor would just be ironic.

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #60 on: May 26, 2010, 08:29:16 PM »
I think Islam needs reform, that's why I supported the Iraq and Afghan war...but we are setting up Islamic Republics, there's a million Christians in Iraq-why are we making them live under Islamic laws? And I'm sure there are good portions of the public who want nothing to do with Islam or brainwashed into it.

If we can't even promote Islamic reform in our own borders, I'm not surprised we are failing to do that overseas. Yeah we liberated the people away from Tyrants and regimes--but the people are still slaves to Islam.

I don't hate most Muslims, I just think most of them are just brainwashed.

Like for example in Iran, where they have a large youth population. They ignore the Islamic rules, they drink and love to party the girls wear their headdress to reveal their hair-kind of like a scarf, a lot of people do Heroine. The government does a pony show of cracking on them, but they don't care. And every Iranian I ever met that immigrated away from Iran does not practice Islam.

On a side note, I would love to see a big ass earthquake destroy Mecca...

I think the best thing for Islam is that Muslims fight each other. I see it as a good thing because it sorts out the bad and good.

I know a lot of Iranians too. There are the probably the least religious people, they don't identify with any religion. If so, they are usually Bahai and Christian. I have known them going back to as kid. Their girls are really hot.   :-)  :naughty:
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #61 on: May 27, 2010, 04:33:35 AM »
Aren't they all in Mecca to kiss a space rock? A meteor would just be ironic.

No, no, no, steal the rock, crush it into gravel and sell every muslim a piece of the rock. Wouldn't matter that you would soon run out of real rocks and have to sell them fake ones. It's a fact that muslims will believe anything.

....and you could save on TV commercials. There's an insurance company already selling a 'piece of the rock' on TV, with a little tweeking, it should work.
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #62 on: May 27, 2010, 05:14:13 AM »
I think the best thing for Islam is that Muslims fight each other. I see it as a good thing because it sorts out the bad and good.

I know a lot of Iranians too. There are the probably the least religious people, they don't identify with any religion. If so, they are usually Bahai and Christian. I have known them going back to as kid. Their girls are really hot.   :-)  :naughty:

The Baha'i have a rough road to hoe in the Muslim Country's.  In Iran they are jailed and put to death.

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #63 on: May 27, 2010, 09:55:40 AM »
Hi,

Like most of you there are not words I could type in a public forum to express my true feelings about this outrage.  Why do I suspect this is the tip of the iceberg?  Somehow, someway this is going to become very, very symbolic down the line and something bad is going to happen.

With illegal immigration, ever increasing muslim population where they are failing to even attempt to integrate into our society, the public is getting ready for a huge backlash.  We are headed for some pretty ugly shit, not sure exactly how it will play out, but I believe the vast majority of Americans are getting beyond fed up.

Sooner or later the truth will come out that the birthers are right about BO, his beliefs and background and then who knows what will happen?  I am 70, what little hair I have is grey, my wife a bit younger.  In front of us yesterday was a young, apparent muslim man with a backpack.  We went through airport security yesterday and indeed twas the US seniors that got picked for the extra scrutiny, would not want to be guilty of racial profiling.  Just made a mental not like many others but it is building up.

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Me thinks their names should be plastered on a frikkin' billboard in Times Square and at the site where the towers used to stand!!
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #64 on: May 27, 2010, 10:03:17 AM »
All of the fighting "one hand tied behind our backs" that America has done the last half century or better has been at the behest of politicians, whom I am becoming more and more convinced have not had the best intersts of this people at heart.  Those same politicians are going to be shocked at the uncaged ferocity with which they are faced from the populace at large if they push us into another civil war for the sake of their own political power.  At least for the 15 seconds between the time they uncage that sleeping giant, and the giant turns on them and splatters them on the capitol steps.

We should start mailing our congress critters disgusting pics from the French Revolution! You know, the ones where all the heads are rolling around the base of the guillotine!
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #65 on: May 27, 2010, 10:17:45 AM »
We should start mailing our congress critters disgusting pics from the French Revolution! You know, the ones where all the heads are rolling around the base of the guillotine!

That would surely get you a visit from the Secret Service.

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2010, 08:35:36 PM »
I am all about freedom of religion, but this is basically a slap in the face. Build it elsewhere. Stay away from that site.

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #68 on: May 27, 2010, 09:12:12 PM »
Here's an American Muslims take on this. I heard him doing an interview today and he said that someone should be looking into whether or not this Mosque is getting foreign funding, in particular from Qatar which gives money to a radical group known as Muslim Brotherhood Leadership.

http://www.mzuhdijasser.com/7459/mosque-unbecoming

Mosque Unbecoming

by M. Zuhdi Jasser
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May 24, 2010

In the 1960s, my parents left their despotic motherland of Syria for the promise of genuine liberty and religious freedom in America. In the decades since, we have led the construction of a number of mosques in the towns where we lived.

Some went up without challenge from the local community, but others met with palpable local discontent. In those cases, the law and the natural American affinity for religious freedom eventually paved the way to the ribbon cutting.

These were all humble mosques, funded locally by our congregations. It's plain the planned "Ground Zero mosque" is something very different. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, his wife, Daisy Khan, and an investor intend to build "Cordoba House," an ostentatious $100 million, 13-story Muslim community center including a gym, a swimming pool, a performance-arts facility and a mosque.

My first concern is whether the financing truly represents the local American Muslim community or comes with strings from foreign Islamists. But that is far from my last concern.

I am an American Muslim dedicated to defeating the ideology that fuels global Islamist terror -- political Islam. And I don't see such a "center" actually fighting terrorism or being a very "positive" addition near Ground Zero, no matter how well intentioned.

To put it bluntly, Ground Zero is the one place in America where Muslims should think less about teaching Islam and "our good side" and more about being American and fulfilling our responsibilities to confront the ideology of our enemies.

Khan and Rauf avoid discourse on reform and political Islam. Instead, they simply give us the familiar, too vague condemnation of "extremism and violence." They seem to conveniently view 9/11, al Qaeda and every manifestation of militant Islamism as simply a public-relations problem for "Muslims in the West." Imam Rauf has even gone so far as to bizarrely say that the 9/11 terrorists were "not Muslims."

As controversy over the project has become heated, Rauf's Web site has scrubbed the term "mosque" in exchange for "center" -- again missing the boat of why so many Americans are offended. (Meanwhile, the plans of another local Islamic group to rebuild near Ground Zero only added to the quandary.)

This is not about the building of a mosque or a religious facility. It is not about religious freedom. This is about a deep, soulful understanding of what happened to our country on 9/11.

When Americans are attacked, they come together as one, under one flag, under one law against a common enemy that we are not afraid to identify. Religious freedom is central to our nation - and that is why the location of this project is so misguided. Ground Zero is purely about being American. It can never be about being Muslim.

The World Trade Center site represents Ground Zero in America's war against radical Islamists who seek to destroy the American way of life. It is not ground zero of a cultural exchange.

We American Muslims cannot merely passively avoid Islamists like the Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoots. We need to ask ourselves: Are we Americans who happen to be Muslim or Muslims blindly demanding to be American?

American Muslims will be better served if this project is built further away from Ground Zero and focuses on leading a reform effort. If we help build anything at the WTC site itself, it should be timeless memorials to all those who lost their lives on 9/11 -- memorials blind to faith, race, creed or national origin.

On Sept. 12, 2001, I was first an American. When those planes hit the World Trade Center, they hit at the core of my being as an American. The attack on my faith by the terrorists was secondary to their attack on my homeland.

We need to focus our efforts more transparently on teaching Muslim youth that the American concepts of liberty and freedom are preferable to sharia and the Islamic state. American Muslims represent the best opportunity to fight Islamist radicalization not because we understand Islam but because we have experienced and understood what American liberty provides to the Muslim experience.

Americans must always remember the horrors of 9/11 and must be vigilant in not allowing political Islam to wear down the principles that built our country.

This center is trying to change the narrative of 9/11 -- to diminish what happened at Ground Zero. That can only weaken us against the very real threat of Islamist radicalization.
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #69 on: May 27, 2010, 09:45:41 PM »
I think Islam needs reform,

You want to reform a religion?

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #70 on: May 27, 2010, 09:53:59 PM »
Here's an American Muslims take on this. I heard him doing an interview today and he said that someone should be looking into whether or not this Mosque is getting foreign funding, in particular from Qatar which gives money to a radical group known as Muslim Brotherhood Leadership.

http://www.mzuhdijasser.com/7459/mosque-unbecoming

Mosque Unbecoming

by M. Zuhdi Jasser
The New York Post
May 24, 2010

In the 1960s, my parents left their despotic motherland of Syria for the promise of genuine liberty and religious freedom in America. In the decades since, we have led the construction of a number of mosques in the towns where we lived.

Some went up without challenge from the local community, but others met with palpable local discontent. In those cases, the law and the natural American affinity for religious freedom eventually paved the way to the ribbon cutting.

These were all humble mosques, funded locally by our congregations. It's plain the planned "Ground Zero mosque" is something very different. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, his wife, Daisy Khan, and an investor intend to build "Cordoba House," an ostentatious $100 million, 13-story Muslim community center including a gym, a swimming pool, a performance-arts facility and a mosque.

My first concern is whether the financing truly represents the local American Muslim community or comes with strings from foreign Islamists. But that is far from my last concern.

I am an American Muslim dedicated to defeating the ideology that fuels global Islamist terror -- political Islam. And I don't see such a "center" actually fighting terrorism or being a very "positive" addition near Ground Zero, no matter how well intentioned.

To put it bluntly, Ground Zero is the one place in America where Muslims should think less about teaching Islam and "our good side" and more about being American and fulfilling our responsibilities to confront the ideology of our enemies.

Khan and Rauf avoid discourse on reform and political Islam. Instead, they simply give us the familiar, too vague condemnation of "extremism and violence." They seem to conveniently view 9/11, al Qaeda and every manifestation of militant Islamism as simply a public-relations problem for "Muslims in the West." Imam Rauf has even gone so far as to bizarrely say that the 9/11 terrorists were "not Muslims."

As controversy over the project has become heated, Rauf's Web site has scrubbed the term "mosque" in exchange for "center" -- again missing the boat of why so many Americans are offended. (Meanwhile, the plans of another local Islamic group to rebuild near Ground Zero only added to the quandary.)

This is not about the building of a mosque or a religious facility. It is not about religious freedom. This is about a deep, soulful understanding of what happened to our country on 9/11.

When Americans are attacked, they come together as one, under one flag, under one law against a common enemy that we are not afraid to identify. Religious freedom is central to our nation - and that is why the location of this project is so misguided. Ground Zero is purely about being American. It can never be about being Muslim.

The World Trade Center site represents Ground Zero in America's war against radical Islamists who seek to destroy the American way of life. It is not ground zero of a cultural exchange.

We American Muslims cannot merely passively avoid Islamists like the Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoots. We need to ask ourselves: Are we Americans who happen to be Muslim or Muslims blindly demanding to be American?

American Muslims will be better served if this project is built further away from Ground Zero and focuses on leading a reform effort. If we help build anything at the WTC site itself, it should be timeless memorials to all those who lost their lives on 9/11 -- memorials blind to faith, race, creed or national origin.

On Sept. 12, 2001, I was first an American. When those planes hit the World Trade Center, they hit at the core of my being as an American. The attack on my faith by the terrorists was secondary to their attack on my homeland.

We need to focus our efforts more transparently on teaching Muslim youth that the American concepts of liberty and freedom are preferable to sharia and the Islamic state. American Muslims represent the best opportunity to fight Islamist radicalization not because we understand Islam but because we have experienced and understood what American liberty provides to the Muslim experience.

Americans must always remember the horrors of 9/11 and must be vigilant in not allowing political Islam to wear down the principles that built our country.

This center is trying to change the narrative of 9/11 -- to diminish what happened at Ground Zero. That can only weaken us against the very real threat of Islamist radicalization.

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #71 on: May 28, 2010, 12:53:50 AM »
    As a Communist, I don't believe in or approve of religion, but apart from that I don't see the problem. The people who want to have this mosque have condemned the attacks and said that they want to improve the community. I'm seeing intolerance from some of you guys though. Knee jerk reaction to anything Islam?
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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #72 on: May 28, 2010, 04:56:42 AM »
    As a Communist, I don't believe in or approve of religion, but apart from that I don't see the problem. The people who want to have this mosque have condemned the attacks and said that they want to improve the community. I'm seeing intolerance from some of you guys though. Knee jerk reaction to anything Islam?

Well it makes sense that someone who believes in a failed political ideology defends the moves of another failed ideology.

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Re: 13-story mosque to be built at Ground Zero
« Reply #73 on: May 28, 2010, 05:27:31 AM »
   As a Communist, I don't believe in or approve of religion, but apart from that I don't see the problem. The people who want to have this mosque have condemned the attacks and said that they want to improve the community. I'm seeing intolerance from some of you guys though. Knee jerk reaction to anything Islam?

Imagine if the English were to allow a shrine built to Hitler or the Nazis in the UK?? How would you feel about that or are you too young and uneducated about the horrors Hitler inflicted on England during WWII?? Wouldn't you consider that action as "rubbing salt in old wounds"??
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« Reply #74 on: May 28, 2010, 06:59:12 AM »
Imagine if the English were to allow a shrine built to Hitler or the Nazis in the UK?? How would you feel about that or are you too young and uneducated about the horrors Hitler inflicted on England during WWII?? Wouldn't you consider that action as "rubbing salt in old wounds"??

This may be a brilliant plan to divide the country. 

Could be they plan to use our own laws against us, figuring that if they push us far enough WE will fight back and it will be to our peril if we do so.  They can tie up the courts and the police arresting anyone that objects as discriminating against them.   

Hate crimes , hate speech they will claim as they keep pooking proding and keeping old wounds open.   What better way to distroy a country then to give non-citizens rights that our own citizens are not allowed.

These folk have been fighting everyone different from themselves for 1500 years. They no longer need the sword or blood letting.  They are not ignorant, they can, they have found cause havoc from with in just by following our laws and causing us confusion and  perhaps a riot or two that will in the courts be decided in their favor.

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 You know those  :heart: T-Shirts and bumper stickers we see every where.   What can we do to voice I hate broccoli, carrots or Islam without being labled jailed or fined for hate speech.