What the **** OVER!!!!!!!

[Bh]

F-35 Joint Strike fighter, probably the last manned fighter.

right, we have hundreds of those in service!  oh wait...

That's why I said this is what's next, what's your point?

[The Night Owl]

We have a few squadrons now of the F-22 but they are not combat ready to be deployed. The Red Flag guys at Nellis just got thier first one so its going to be awhile before we really see  the combat capabilities of the F-22. So far nothing that the US Military has thrown at it has beat it in any aspect of air to air combat. All in all The Iranians would still have a hard time going toe to toe with any F-22 squadron since it looks like even during the War years and with the purges of their air Force they didn't really do them selves any favors by killing some of their better pilots and shying away from real combat.

You are correct to point out that nothing has been able to outperform the F-22 at air combat, but everyone should keep in mind that the superiority of the F-22 does not make it invulnerable...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2007/07/jesters_dead.asp

[NHSparky]

Oh goody--a noob gets smoked.  It's gonna happen until you get 200-300 hours easily in the aircraft.

And "Indian aces?"  Name ONE.

[The Night Owl]

Oh goody--a noob gets smoked.  It's gonna happen until you get 200-300 hours easily in the aircraft.

I doubt that the USAF would put a "noob" in the cockpit of a $150 million aircraft.

[NHSparky]

Oh goody--a noob gets smoked.  It's gonna happen until you get 200-300 hours easily in the aircraft.

I doubt that the USAF would put a "noob" in the cockpit of a $150 million aircraft.

They ain't ALL generals, sonny.

[Airwolf]

Oh goody--a noob gets smoked.  It's gonna happen until you get 200-300 hours easily in the aircraft.

I doubt that the USAF would put a "noob" in the cockpit of a $150 million aircraft.

They ain't ALL generals, sonny.

The only jet aircraft that has a limitation on what rank it takes to fly it is the AV-8B Harrier. The reason being is becuse it takes far longer to get real experiance to learn to fly a jet that flys like no other in our services. The lowest rank to fly one is Captain.

[The Night Owl]

The only jet aircraft that has a limitation on what rank it takes to fly it is the AV-8B Harrier. The reason being is becuse it takes far longer to get real experiance to learn to fly a jet that flys like no other in our services. The lowest rank to fly one is Captain.

According to what I've read, F-15 and F-16 pilots who are qualified to try out for the F-22 program go through 5 weeks of testing in an F-16. I don't know how much training raw recruits have to have before they can fly the F-15 or the F-16, but I would imagine that the training takes a minimum of a few months. In a nutshell, the USAF does not put noobs in Raptors.

[Crazy Horse]

The only jet aircraft that has a limitation on what rank it takes to fly it is the AV-8B Harrier. The reason being is becuse it takes far longer to get real experiance to learn to fly a jet that flys like no other in our services. The lowest rank to fly one is Captain.

According to what I've read, pilots who are selected to try out for the F-22 program go through 5 weeks of testing in an F-16. I don't know how much training raw recruits have to have before they can fly the F-16, but I would imagine that the training takes a minimum of a few months. In a nutshell, the USAF does not put noobs in Raptors.

Dumbass............. Those pilots that go through the 5 weeks of testing are in addition to their basic flight training.

A minimum of a few months 

Again you are trying to discuss things that you have no clue on.

[The Night Owl]

Dumbass............. Those pilots that go through the 5 weeks of testing are in addition to their basic flight training.

Right... The 5 weeks of testing required for pilots trying to gain entry into the F-22 program is in addition to basic flight training... which takes at least a few months. That is why I said that pilots, not raw recruits, are selected for the F-22 program.

A minimum of a few months 

Again you are trying to discuss things that you have no clue on.

According to F-16 pilot Maj. Gregory N. "Mongo" Stroud, the shortest fighter pilot training program in the USAF lasts 15 weeks...

http://www.f-16.net/interviews_article16.html

[Crazy Horse]

Dumbass............. Those pilots that go through the 5 weeks of testing are in addition to their basic flight training.

Right... The 5 weeks of testing required to gain entry into the F-22 program is in addition to basic flight training... which takes at least a few months.

A minimum of a few months 

Again you are trying to discuss things that you have no clue on.

According to the following interview of an F-16 pilot, the quickest program for fighter training in the USAF is 15 weeks...
http://www.f-16.net/interviews_article16.html

Do you even read the things you post??

That was Navy flight school not the USAF and just the beginning, notice it was about two years before he recieved his wings dumbass

Again............you are talking about things you have no idea on

[The Night Owl]

That was Navy flight school not the USAF and just the beginning, notice it was about two years before he recieved his wings dumbass

So? Even though most of the pilots in the F-22 program come from F-15 and F-16 squadrons, some pilots can enter the program straight after basic flight training and without fighter training (not counting the 5 weeks of testing in an F-16)...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2008/01/mil-080116-afpn03.htm

4 new pilots begin F-22 training
by 2nd Lt. Bryan Bouchard
56th Fighter Wing Public Affairs

1/16/2008 - LUKE AIR FORCE BASE, Ariz. (AFPN)  -- The first Air Force pilots selected to fly the F-22 Raptor without previous fighter experience entered the 63rd Fighter Squadron for the Raptor Lead-in course Jan. 14 here.

...

[Crazy Horse]

That was Navy flight school not the USAF and just the beginning, notice it was about two years before he recieved his wings dumbass

So? Even though most of the pilots in the F-22 program come from F-15 and F-16 squadrons, some pilots can enter the program straight after basic flight training and without fighter training (not counting the 5 weeks of testing in an F-16)...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2008/01/mil-080116-afpn03.htm

4 new pilots begin F-22 training
by 2nd Lt. Bryan Bouchard
56th Fighter Wing Public Affairs

1/16/2008 - LUKE AIR FORCE BASE, Ariz. (AFPN)  -- The first Air Force pilots selected to fly the F-22 Raptor without previous fighter experience entered the 63rd Fighter Squadron for the Raptor Lead-in course Jan. 14 here.

...

Again you are talking about something you have no idea of dumbass.

They are not entering after basic flight training

Since the F-22 is replacing F-16's and F-15's taking in the first 4 students that have not had true fighter experience is the normal process.

[The Night Owl]

They are not entering after basic flight training

Since the F-22 is replacing F-16's and F-15's taking in the first 4 students that have not had true fighter experience is the normal process.

Okay. I thought that the Introduction to Fighter Fundamentals course was part of basic flight training for fighter pilots. In any case, we are talking about a difference of 6 weeks. Why are we squabbling about 6 weeks? The point that both of us are trying to make is that the USAF does not put noobs in Raptors, so I really don't understand your aggravation.

[Crazy Horse]

Again you are talking about something you have no idea of dumbass.

They are not entering after basic flight training

Since the F-22 is replacing F-16's and F-15's taking in the first 4 students that have not had true fighter experience is the normal process.

Okay, I thought that the USAF basic flight training program for fighter pilots included the Introduction to Fighter Fundamentals course. Why are we squabbling about 6 weeks? The point that both of us are trying to make is that the USAF does not put noobs in Raptors, so I really don't understand your aggravation.

from your own article they are about to put 4 noobs into the Raptor.

Oh my aggravation is just you discussing things that you have no knowledge of

[The Night Owl]

from your own article they are about to put 4 noobs into the Raptor.

A person who has the best training in the world is not someone who I would consider a noob, but I guess everything is relative.

Oh my aggravation is just you discussing things that you have no knowledge of

Okay. Whatever you say, Top Gun.

[Crazy Horse]

from your own article they are about to put 4 noobs into the Raptor.

Oh my aggravation is just you discussing things that you have no knowledge of

A person who has the best training in the world is not what I would call a noob, but I guess everything is relative.

They are when they have not done any previous fighter training. They are noobs to all the others pilots dumbass. So yes the USAF will put a noob into the Raptor

[The Night Owl]

They are when they have not done any previous fighter training. They are noobs to all the others pilots dumbass. So yes the USAF will put a noob into the Raptor

Uh, no. The USAF does not put noobs in Raptors. The USAF might put noobs in the Raptor training program, but that probably involves months of simulator training and training in an F-16 or F-15 before students can fly the F-22.

[Crazy Horse]

They are when they have not done any previous fighter training. They are noobs to all the others pilots dumbass. So yes the USAF will put a noob into the Raptor

Uh, no. The USAF does not put noobs into Raptors. The USAF puts noobs in the Raptor training program, which probably involves months of simulator training and training in an F-16.

They are still noobs dumbass

[The Night Owl]

They are still noobs dumbass

Like I said, everthing is relative. The point is that pilots have to go through a lot of training and testing before they are put into fighters, let alone Raptors.

[TheSarge]

First and ONLY warning folks...stay on topic or this goes to Fight Club.

[Airwolf]

I wouldn;t worry to much .I'm done with this.