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Is this a prelude to secession?
« on: February 11, 2009, 10:03:23 PM »
Hi,

This is my first post.  I read an article over the weekend that I found very interesting.  This was validated by someone checking the State of AZ website.  In a follow up article today the author said the reason states are affirming their sovereignty is that federal mandates are basically unconstitutional and they are bankrupting several states; CA in particular.  Not so sure if there may not be more to it that than but we will see.

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Here is the text:  The headline was what I posted, "Is this a prelude to secession?"

 This week, various state legislatures introduced bills intended to revive
> one of the most important gifts left to us by our forefathers.state
> sovereignty.
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> No, you won't hear about this on CNBC or Fox News. In fact, we just got word
> of it a few hours ago. All the way from Hawaii to New Hampshire.Georgia and
> California, nine states have so far introduced bills that would reaffirm
> state sovereignty as laid out in the ninth and tenth amendments to the
> constitution.
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> Now - like I said - we just heard about this news ourselves. And we haven't
> had enough time to really decide what it all means.but there is some strong
> wording in a few of these bills, to say the very least.
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> This from Arizona's bill, ".if the President or any other federal entity
> attempts to institute martial law or its equivalent without an official
> declaration in one or more of the states without the consent of that state .
> individual members of the military return to their respective states and
> report to the Governor until a new President is elected." [emphasis added]
>
> We'll stay on top of this one and update you next week.
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2009, 10:13:40 PM »
Who are you again?
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2009, 10:15:18 PM »
Is this a prelude to secession?

No.

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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2009, 10:21:36 PM »
Hi,

Who am I?  I am a new poster, referred here by a friend from another board, Thundley 4.  I use the name 5412.

I never realized what a Reagan Democrat was, I always thought I was a Carter Republican, twas nitwit Carter who caused me to vote Republican and have been doing it ever since.

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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2009, 10:28:02 PM »
No big name sources reporting This place (which is no more than the first result in a search) has a more detailed story and includes the following :
 
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UPDATE: A reader has brought it to our attention that none of these resolutions or bills have officially passed into law in the 9 listed states. Though they are not State law yet, I encourage readers in each of these states to contact their representatives and government officials. It’s a matter of principle that our individual States of this Union maintain their sovereignty, even though they’re united in the great American spirit.

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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2009, 10:41:42 PM »
Hi again,

I tried to follow up today and found one forum where the author surmised what I posted earlier. 

I thought this thread was whacked and wondered what I did wrong, I think it got moved under another heading.

Honestly I was feeling that stimulus bill had a lot of money for the states and it may have been to either diffuse some of the issues or perhaps they would use it as a club.  I would not put it past BO to threaten to withhold funding if states had the audacity to reaffirm their sovereignty.

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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2009, 11:53:36 PM »


welcome to CC

interesting idea...

btw Cali didn't need fed help to go bankrupt  :whatever:
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2009, 05:37:18 AM »
Hi,

Amen on California.

I am sure you saw the thing making the round on the internet about the "illegal" (now a forbidden word in BO's administration I am told) immigrants on their health care system, in gangs and in their jails.  When they get stuck with federal mandates and little funding it hits them pretty hard.  At the same time, they manage to have their own problems on top of that.

As I have told my family, it is like the old song, we have only just begun.  In the next few years we are all going to be shaking our heads at some of the insanity we see going on.

Have a good day,
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2009, 08:01:15 AM »
Secession is the wrong idea.

There's nothing wrong with this nation that a little constitutional enforcement couldn't cure. To destroy the US and with it the security guaranty of the free world is a view so short-sighted as to be contemptible. What is needed to to clean house politically in both parties. The American people are conservative by nature but we need to have a "water cooler revolution" whereby we impress upon our friends, coworkers, family, acquaintences and even the odd passerby that limited government, strong defense, free markets and personal responsibility are the keys to safety and prosperity.
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2009, 08:04:08 AM »
I don't think any states want to secede, but they want to inform the Fed that enough is enough, stop usurping the rights guaranteed to the states in the Constitution.  Secession is just a way of hammering the point home.
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 05:56:18 PM »
I'm all for secession. I want no part of the moonbats from NE, the PNW, the W,  or the W. ....but hey, that's just me.
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 06:02:23 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on February 12, 2009, 05:56:18 PM
I'm all for secession. I want no part of the moonbats from NE, the PNW, the W,  or the W. ....but hey, that's just me.

Secession works for me too.  I heard this brought up on Glenn Beck this morning, and apparently Thomas Jefferson and James Madison weren't exactly opposed to it either.  But what do they know: they're just key to the founding documents and principles they established this nation's government by.

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The Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions(or Resolves) were important political statements in favor of states' rights written secretly by Vice President Thomas Jefferson (who would later become president) and James Madison in 1798, respectively. They were passed by the two states in opposition to the federal Alien and Sedition Acts. Though often mentioned as a pair in modern historical discussions, they were actually two separate documents. The Kentucky Resolutions (plural) were written by Jefferson and passed by the state legislature on November 16, 1798, with one more being passed the following year on December 3, 1799. The Virginia Resolution (singular) was written by Madison and passed by the state legislature on December 24, 1798. Jefferson and Madison collaborated on the writing of the two documents, but their authorship was not known for many years. The resolutions attacked the Sedition Acts, which extended the powers of the federal government. The resolutions declared that the Constitution was a "compact." That is, it was an agreement among the states. The federal government had no right to exercise powers not specifically delegated to it; should the federal government assume such powers, its acts under them would be void. Thus it was the right of the states to decide as to the constitutionality of such laws passed by Congress.
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 06:02:48 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on February 12, 2009, 05:56:18 PM
I'm all for secession. I want no part of the moonbats from NE, the PNW, the W,  or the W. ....but hey, that's just me.
I'm not prepared to give up the military assets: Ft Drum, West Point, Annapolis, Nine Palms, the SEAL training center in San Diego, etc etc etc

Then there's the natural resources.

Besides, liberal freely admit they must be ruled by an iron hand, it may as well be us.
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2009, 06:06:44 PM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on February 12, 2009, 06:02:48 PM
I'm not prepared to give up the military assets: Ft Drum, West Point, Annapolis, Nine Palms, the SEAL training center in San Diego, etc etc etc

Then there's the natural resources.

Besides, liberal freely admit they must be ruled by an iron hand, it may as well be us.

good idea. conservatives in lib states get guard towers with miniguns
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2009, 06:09:30 PM »
Quote from: FGL on February 12, 2009, 06:06:44 PM
good idea. conservatives in lib states get guard towers with miniguns
Oh please.

The little fags are cowed by a glowering stare.

We'll save the guard towers for the southern border.
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2009, 06:11:04 PM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on February 12, 2009, 06:09:30 PM
Oh please.

The little fags are cowed by a glowering stare.

We'll save the guard towers for the southern border.

I thought that's where we were sowing the mine field.
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2009, 06:17:19 PM »
Quote from: DefiantSix on February 12, 2009, 06:11:04 PM
I thought that's where we were sowing the mine field.
Nah

The guard towers are so we have a place to sit, drink beer and watch as the rottwiellers that shoot exploding chainsaws when they bark do their job.

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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2009, 06:19:45 PM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on February 12, 2009, 06:02:48 PM
I'm not prepared to give up the military assets: Ft Drum, West Point, Annapolis, Nine Palms, the SEAL training center in San Diego, etc etc etc

Then there's the natural resources.

Besides, liberal freely admit they must be ruled by an iron hand, it may as well be us.

Trust me, MOST soldiers are prepared to give up Ft. Drum. As for 29 Palms, Annapolis, West Point, Coronado, etc., we have the same assets. Texas would come with us for desert training, so NTC could be held at Hood or Bliss, SEAL training could be done in NC or at Eglin, and we already have the JFK Warfare Center. Hell, we have the Air Assault School, the Airborne School, the Ranger school, SFAS, etc. They don't want to live with us, I don't want to live with those ****ing moonbats. I don't hate my country, quite the contrary. I LOVE it. I LOVE the US Constitution. I'm just sick of seeing it shit on. Now, it's either secession or full blown revolution....with a lot of dead moonbats as the toll. Which would you prefer?
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2009, 06:23:56 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on February 12, 2009, 06:19:45 PM
Trust me, MOST soldiers are prepared to give up Ft. Drum. As for 29 Palms, Annapolis, West Point, Coronado, etc., we have the same assets. Texas would come with us for desert training, so NTC could be held at Hood or Bliss, SEAL training could be done in NC or at Eglin, and we already have the JFK Warfare Center. Hell, we have the Air Assault School, the Airborne School, the Ranger school, SFAS, etc. They don't want to live with us, I don't want to live with those ****ing moonbats. I don't hate my country, quite the contrary. I LOVE it. I LOVE the US Constitution. I'm just sick of seeing it shit on. Now, it's either secession or full blown revolution....with a lot of dead moonbats as the toll. Which would you prefer?
I refuse to see why we must cede ANYTHING to misbegotten usurpers. It's ours, they stole it, we have the right to take it back. You wouldn't concede your garden shed just because stoner hippy started squatting in it and listed it to collect his welfare check, would you?
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2009, 06:32:58 PM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on February 12, 2009, 06:23:56 PM
I refuse to see why we must cede ANYTHING to misbegotten usurpers. It's ours, they stole it, we have the right to take it back. You wouldn't concede your garden shed just because stoner hippy started squatting in it and listed it to collect his welfare check, would you?

Sir, Secession only determines the opening positions of the two sides.  Once the liberal ****nuts are separated and on their own, we can either let them starve to death after their "support system"  - the hard working bunch upon whose backs these welfare whores have been living for most of their "adult" life - is removed, or we can send the boy scouts into NeoCommie territory to take what we want.
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2009, 06:39:01 PM »
Oceanside south will go with us.  The jarheads will probably be happy to get rid of Barstow, 29 shits and Yuma.  Nevada would go with us so we keep nellis and Fallon.  The Dakotas, Wyoming, Montana, nebraska, Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas, Arkansa will all go with us...........so we basically get everything except a couple bases in the NE and the Kitsap are would probably go also
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2009, 06:40:30 PM »
Oh yeah...............it's never gonna happen
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2009, 07:14:14 PM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on February 12, 2009, 06:09:30 PM
Oh please.

The little fags are cowed by a glowering stare.

We'll save the guard towers for the southern border.

every 100 feet I hope... lol.. thats a lot of stimulus jobs
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2009, 10:14:10 PM »
If there is another secession do we get to burn down Georgia again? :-)
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Re: Is this a prelude to secession?
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2009, 10:19:45 PM »
Quote from: asdf2231 on February 12, 2009, 10:14:10 PM
If there is another secession do we get to burn down Georgia again? :-)

Sure, you can be the first bullet-catcher. I think it can be done......'cause I seen it in the movies. You can prove the hypothesis.
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