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Offline dutch508

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We might have a vaccine for COVID19 in the near future.
« on: July 09, 2020, 09:14:57 PM »
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Star Member guillaumeb (41,808 posts)
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We might have a vaccine for COVID19 in the near future.

And that is good, but what do we do, what can we do, about the epidemic of stupidity that is running rampant among GOP politicians and voters?

Are the people behind the Lincoln Project ads the only sane Republicans left?

I am speaking a bit hyperbolically here, because I know a few sane GOP voters in my area, but so few.

Can anyone even reach those who speak of a plandemic, or those who follow QAnon?

Or the Infowars cultists?

Or is this merely a loud minority of 37%?

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Star Member Nevilledog (3,933 posts)

1. I think a vaccine is wishful thinking. Would be happy to be proved wrong.

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Star Member Miguelito Loveless (1,268 posts)

3. I doubt we will have a vaccine any time soon.

I would be highly wary of any vaccine developed under Trump.

The people behind the Lincoln Project ads are somewhat saner than the current GOP, but that is a REALLY low bar. Many of the people behind the LP are pretty vile when using normal standards of ethical, legal, and moral conduct.

As to who might take a vaccine once a safe one is developed, only people who believe in science, which means maybe around 60%-67% of the nation.

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9. The sad truth...

It is a very loud minority of 37% or less backed by a larger but typically silent and likely apathetic group who don't pay any attention to politics till right around election time, then vote Republican because, "that is what I always do".

In 2016 46% of people who are eligible to vote, did not cast a ballot. A very consequential Presidential Election in which the first woman could have been elected.

In 2018 people were "wowed" at that a fraction over 50% of eligible voters turned out only because they compared it to only 36% turnout in the next highest non-presidential election.

The problem is that we have such an apathetic voter base, that turning out 37% or less highly motivated dumb people can win you the electoral college.

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Star Member hunter (31,424 posts)

12. They are also backed by amoral oligarchs who think they will win something like it's a television game show.

 :whatever:

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Star Member guillaumeb (41,808 posts)

18. Who is to blame?

The apathetic, often uninformed voters?

The media, for badly informing the public of the issues?

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Initech (81,843 posts)

13. I worry if Trump is reelected he'll play favorites with it.

He will put states in competitions for doses and those who kiss his ass will get it first, while states like California or Minnesota will get broken shards of glass vials as an insult.

As if the DUmpmonkies wouldn't...

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Star Member Mr. Ected (6,125 posts)

26. As long as FOX and OAN and the right wing radio network continue to pump out unmitigated propaganda

That virus will continue to propagate and infect a large swath of America.

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Re: We might have a vaccine for COVID19 in the near future.
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2020, 03:17:58 AM »
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As to who might take a vaccine once a safe one is developed, only people who believe in science, which means maybe around 60%-67% of the nation.

Cool, so the people that feel there's more than 2 genders in the human race don't get the vaccine?
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Re: We might have a vaccine for COVID19 in the near future.
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2020, 07:59:59 AM »

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Are the people behind the Lincoln Project ads the only sane Republicans left?

They're the same people you formerly called the BFEE, you ignorant turds.  There's a lot more money than people involved, it's basically the Old Boy Bush cabal that's still upset about 'Jeb!' getting his charisma-free ass handed to him.
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Re: We might have a vaccine for COVID19 in the near future.
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2020, 08:12:27 AM »
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3. I doubt we will have a vaccine any time soon.

I would be highly wary of any vaccine developed under Trump.

I believe the vaccine farthest along - well into Phase III trials (the last phase, if successful, before release) - is the Oxford University // AstraZeneca vaccine. While Brit, the US contributed to its development, it is a one of the 8 partners in Trump's "Operation Warp Speed", and the US has "bought" 300M doses. An October release looks very possible, and maybe even late September. I think there is at least one other candidate (ignoring China's vaccines for obvious reasons) that is about to or has just started Phase III trials. Because the companies will already be in volume production before their Phase III trials are complete, the time between approval and mass distribution will be minimal.

DUpipo appear to be whistling past the graveyard where vaccine development, approval, and distribution are concerned. The release of one or more US government supported vaccines before the election would shatter the Dems' Trump-Did-Nothing narrative. And while they're welcome to refuse to be vaccinated AFAIC, I do not think they'll be successful in denigrating the vaccines as "untested" because the vaccine manufacturers could bury that narrative in facts. And the Dems will not be successful if they try to claim Trump had nothing to do with the vaccines' quick approval(s) and distribution - that would be playing into Trump's hand, IMO.

The Dems committed themselves months ago to their Trump-Did-Nothing narrative, and reality is threatening to ram that narrative down their throats and yank it out the other end. :tongue:  :popcorn:
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Re: We might have a vaccine for COVID19 in the near future.
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2020, 05:02:59 PM »
Oh great a vaccine that follows the 60%  success rate a flu vaccine has?

No thanks.
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Re: We might have a vaccine for COVID19 in the near future.
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2020, 08:07:24 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on July 10, 2020, 07:59:59 AM
it's basically the Old Boy Bush cabal that's still upset about 'Jeb!' getting his charisma-free ass handed to him.

BINGO!  "Professional" swamp critters.
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Re: We might have a vaccine for COVID19 in the near future.
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2020, 08:53:03 AM »
Quote from: jukin on July 10, 2020, 05:02:59 PM
Oh great a vaccine that follows the 60%  success rate a flu vaccine has?

No thanks.

60% would be a very good year.
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Re: We might have a vaccine for COVID19 in the near future.
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2020, 09:28:25 AM »
Quote from: jukin on July 10, 2020, 05:02:59 PM
Oh great a vaccine that follows the 60%  success rate a flu vaccine has?

No thanks.

Apples and pears comparison. The annual flu vaccine is based on a guess of which flu strains will be in circulation several months after the vaccine starts production. The Covid-19 have been designed and tested (Phase II, which several vaccines have completed or are doing tests with hundreds of people) for the corona virus known to cause Covid-19.

From https://www.fda.gov/patients/clinical-trials-what-patients-need-know/what-are-different-types-clinical-research :

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Phases of clinical trials: when clinical research is used to evaluate medications and devices
Clinical trials are a kind of clinical research designed to evaluate and test new interventions such as psychotherapy or medications. Clinical trials are often conducted in four phases. The trials at each phase have a different purpose and help scientists answer different questions.

Phase I trials
Researchers test an experimental drug or treatment in a small group of people for the first time. The researchers evaluate the treatment’s safety, determine a safe dosage range, and identify side effects.

Phase II trials
The experimental drug or treatment is given to a larger group of people to see if it is effective and to further evaluate its safety.

Phase III trials
The experimental study drug or treatment is given to large groups of people. Researchers confirm its effectiveness, monitor side effects, compare it to commonly used treatments, and collect information that will allow the experimental drug or treatment to be used safely.

Phase IV trials
Post-marketing studies, which are conducted after a treatment is approved for use by the FDA, provide additional information including the treatment or drug’s risks, benefits, and best use.

In the case of AstraZeneca's Phase III trial, currently underway, they are testing thousands of people each in the UK, the US, South Africa, and Brazil.

Get vaccinated or not as you choose, when the time comes. Just don't fall for the Untested Vaccine shtick that I think will become DU-orthodoxy come October or so.
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Re: We might have a vaccine for COVID19 in the near future.
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2020, 09:33:24 AM »
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Apples and pears comparison. The annual flu vaccine is based on a guess of which flu strains will be in circulation several months after the vaccine starts production. The Covid-19 have been designed and tested (Phase II, which several vaccines have completed or are doing tests with hundreds of people) for the corona virus known to cause Covid-19.

So you are saying that this vaccine is good for covid 19 (maybe) but will have the same success as flu vaccines now have when covid 20 rolls around?

Because that is what it sounds like. Oh and the FDA has a long way to go to get my trust back in anything they put out.
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Re: We might have a vaccine for COVID19 in the near future.
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2020, 09:55:22 AM »
Quote from: jukin on July 11, 2020, 09:33:24 AM
So you are saying that this vaccine is good for covid 19 (maybe) but will have the same success as flu vaccines now have when covid 20 rolls around?

Because that is what it sounds like. Oh and the FDA has a long way to go to get my trust back in anything they put out.

1. Your "covid 20" is hypothetical. Unlike Influenza, Covid-19 is a Corona virus. The most recent previous outbreak of a Corona virus was MERS, in 2012. Before that was SARS, in 2002. Those were minor outbreaks and allowed to die off naturally. The Covid-19 variety of Corona virus is the first for which a vaccine is going to be approved and produced, which means that if there is a Covid-28 or -30 (e.g. following the historical pattern) developing a vaccine for that will be less difficult and probably quicker.

2. You should distrust the CDC far more (and if a special focus of your distrust is Dr. Anthony Fauci, he is not with the FDA or CDC), but all that said, the FDA does not "put out" vaccines. AstraZeneca is a major pharmaceuticals company, and the vaccine they are testing was developed in partnership with Oxford University. All the vaccines being expedited in Trump's "Operation Warp Speed" were developed by pharmaceuticals companies, not the FDA: Johnson & Johnson (Janssen Pharmaceutical), AstraZeneca-University of Oxford, Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, Merck, Vaxart, Inovio, and Novavax.
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Re: We might have a vaccine for COVID19 in the near future.
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2020, 11:50:39 AM »
Quote from: SVPete on July 11, 2020, 09:28:25 AM
Apples and pears comparison. The annual flu vaccine is based on a guess of which flu strains will be in circulation several months after the vaccine starts production. The Covid-19 have been designed and tested (Phase II, which several vaccines have completed or are doing tests with hundreds of people) for the corona virus known to cause Covid-19.

From https://www.fda.gov/patients/clinical-trials-what-patients-need-know/what-are-different-types-clinical-research :

In the case of AstraZeneca's Phase III trial, currently underway, they are testing thousands of people each in the UK, the US, South Africa, and Brazil.

Get vaccinated or not as you choose, when the time comes. Just don't fall for the Untested Vaccine shtick that I think will become DU-orthodoxy come October or so.



The CDC and the researchers are lying.  They have told us that getting the virus and recovering may not give you immunity.

Then how can  any man-made vaccine give us immunity? Every vaccine works by making your body produce antibodies against the virus.
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