Zodiac at the Vatican

[vesta111]

I've wondered if he was someone who attended a seminary.

Why is it that when you visit the Vatican when one first walks in there on the floor is a big tiled Zodiac representation ?

[thundley4]

I'm not sure if this is a compliment to me or an insult to seminarians.

 

Why is it that when you visit the Vatican when one first walks in there on the floor is a big tiled Zodiac representation ?

I don't know, Vesta. Why is the zodiac represented on the floor of the Vatican?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I don't know, Vesta. Why is the zodiac represented on the floor of the Vatican?

Today will be an 8. Prospects for love look good for you but avoid spending large sums of money. Co-workers may seem a bit surly but a kind word from you will make their day.

Can this be a separate thread, please?

[Plague]

Can this be a separate thread, please?

Sorted.

[Thor]

Vesta, when you ask something or reference something, pictures or a link would be appropriate.

Stars for Signs

You might find it interesting that in the Book of Genesis, it says God created "Light" on the first day. But the Sun and the stars had not been created yet. They are given special mention in a passage which follows later. In Chapter 1, Verse 14, God is said to have made the sun and moon and stars "for signs" on the fourth day of Creation. For thousands of years, astrologers have been doing just that - looking "for signs" in the heavens as a way of understanding what is happening, or will happen, on Earth.

Remember that the heavenly bodies move in ways that are not controlled by man, but by some universal Force which many call God. If there are "signs" to be seen in their movements, one could argue that the "signs" are from God, and perhaps that is why their use as "signs" is specifically mentioned in the first chapter of the Bible.

    "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"
    - Genesis 1:14 in King James Version of The Bible

Sometimes I wonder if the people who quote the Bible to condemn Astrology have ever read what is on the very first page? It says God made these heavenly bodies to show us "signs" of His intentions, and those signs are there for anyone to read, if they would only learn how to interpret them.

That is what Astrology is all about - interpreting the signs in the motions of the sun, moon, and "wandering" stars. And that is why Kings and Popes have consulted Astrologers throughout the entire recorded history of mankind. In ancient times these wise counselors were called Magi (wise men) or Chaldeans, since many of the wise men who knew the principles of Astrology were from the land of known as Chaldea.

Here's another passage from the Bible, this time from the New Testament (quoted from the King James Version)...

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
- Luke 21:25-27 in the King James Version of The Bible

Here we have Christ making a prophecy, and saying that there will be "signs" in the heavens of His coming, specifically in the sun and moon and stars (i.e. planets). This is clearly about the use of Astrology, and it is given in the words of Christ Himself.

I wonder why He would tell us there would be "signs" in the heavens, unless He meant for us to look for them and know how to interpret them? Wouldn't a person who professes to be "a Christian" give more credence to these unambiguous words of Christ than to the ambiguous admonitions of an ancient Hebrew prophet in the Old Testament? Wouldn't it make sense for Christians to actually study Astrology so they could be aware of those "signs in the heavens" Christ said would appear at His coming?

In ancient times, the study and practice of Astrology was restricted to the educated and the elite. The King's astrologers interpreted his natal horoscope and ongoing transits (movements) of the wandering stars (planets) as referring to the affairs of the entire nation. There weren't any "personal" asttrologers for the average person then, but only for the King and perhaps some of the wealthy and powerful elite. Today anyone can learn Astrology and use it to interpret the "signs" in the heavens which tell us the timing of events and issues in our personal lives.

Yet the horoscope of the head of state of a country is still a good indicator of the state of the nation's affairs, which is why I chose to publish a weekly horoscope for President Bill Clinton of the U.S.A. It would be hard to say that his "affairs" have not corresponded in many ways to the affairs of the entire nation! ;-)

More here: http://www.astrologyzine.com/astrology-bible.shtml

[CatholicCrusader]

Why is it that when you visit the Vatican when one first walks in there on the floor is a big tiled Zodiac representation ?

Where? You got a picture of it?

And where is this "floor"? Do you mean St. Peter's Basillica? St. Peters' Square? Some office building?

"The Vatican" is a nebulous term. There is no such thing as "The Vatican". The nation state called "Vatican City State" is a 104 acre independent nation and there is no building on that 104 acres called "The Vatican".

[JohnnyReb]

"...there will be "signs" in the heavens."

B-2's and B-52's are signs in the heavens .... works for me.

[CatholicCrusader]

"...there will be "signs" in the heavens."

B-2's and B-52's are signs in the heavens .... works for me.

What, no B-1's?