Has Noah's Ark Been Finally Found?

[Chris_]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/27/noahs-ark-found-turkey-arafat/

A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers say wooden remains they have discovered on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey are the remains of Noah's Ark.

The group claims that carbon dating proves the relics are 4,800 years old, meaning they date to around the same time the ark was said to be afloat. Mt. Ararat has long been suspected as the final resting place of the craft by evangelicals and literalists hoping to validate biblical stories.

Yeung Wing-Cheung, from the Noah's Ark Ministries International research team that made the discovery, said: "It's not 100 percent that it is Noah's Ark, but we think it is 99.9 percent that this is it."

There have been several reported discoveries of the remains of Noah's Ark over the years, most notably a find by archaeologist Ron Wyatt in 1987. At the time, the Turkish government officially declared a national park around his find, a boat-shaped object stretched across the mountains of Ararat.

Nevertheless, the evangelical ministry remains convinced that the current find is in fact more likely to be the actual artifact, calling upon Dutch Ark researcher Gerrit Aalten to verify its legitimacy.

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[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

It is amazing how many cultures have a story of a great flood. Many have even more details about a single man and his family surviving on a boat with a bunch of animals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_myth

[JohnnyReb]

"...two of every kind.".....must've included 2 DUmmies.

[littlelamb]

"...two of every kind.".....must've included 2 DUmmies.

Should have left those two asses off the ark then 

[vesta111]

Should have left those two asses off the ark then 

Is this why the Unicorn disappeared.?

How does the song go about two alligators and two humpied back beast, two monkeys and chimpanzee.  Two cat and rats and sure as your born, no room for the Unicorn.    Peter, Paul and Mary ????

[Thor]

I doubt that Noah's Ark will ever be "found" as it never existed in the context that many think it might have. There is no possible way that Noah could have had two of every animal onboard because the dimensions wouldn't allow for it. It's physically impossible  to include as many animals as the Earth had at the time on the boat as described in the bible. Now, if we want to discuss DNA replication and cloning...

[Ptarmigan]

It is amazing how many cultures have a story of a great flood. Many have even more details about a single man and his family surviving on a boat with a bunch of animals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_myth

Every culture has legends of it. I think it likely happened since it is nearly universal. It likely was the result of the end of the Ice Age and/or a meteorite hitting Earth that triggered massive tsunamis.

[thundley4]

Every culture has legends of it. I think it likely happened since it is nearly universal. It likely was the result of the end of the Ice Age and/or a meteorite hitting Earth that triggered massive tsunamis.

That doesn't explain the fact that almost every society that has the great flood myth, also has the Noah like person saving the animals.

[World Communism]

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[zeitgeist]

"...two of every kind.".....must've included 2 DUmmies.

Two homosexuals too?  How dat work?

[zeitgeist]

Is this why the Unicorn disappeared.?

How does the song go about two alligators and two humpied back beast, two monkeys and chimpanzee.  Two cat and rats and sure as your born, no room for the Unicorn.    Peter, Paul and Mary ????

Morning Vesta, I have a lot to do today but click the invisible pink unicorn pic below to help keep yourself entertained while I am gone.



PS   I am looking for a pair of breeding invisible pink unicorns that can $hit Rainbow Skittles.  I plan on opening an invisible pink unicorn ranch here in P_town to secure my fortune.

[Wineslob]

Every culture has legends of it. I think it likely happened since it is nearly universal. It likely was the result of the end of the Ice Age and/or a meteorite hitting Earth that triggered massive tsunamis.

I can't remember title of the book or author (I'm thinking Ragnarok (?? prob wrong), not the online game or play, and yes I know the author was a nut, but he was like Charles Fort pointing out odd things) but it pointed out the massive ammounts of shattered bones that can be found in rock crevices in certain areas of the planet. They seem to point to some sort of world-wide catastrophic flood.

[JohnnyReb]

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Go ahead and laugh.  You won't have "the last one."   

[vesta111]

I doubt that Noah's Ark will ever be "found" as it never existed in the context that many think it might have. There is no possible way that Noah could have had two of every animal onboard because the dimensions wouldn't allow for it. It's physically impossible  to include as many animals as the Earth had at the time on the boat as described in the bible. Now, if we want to discuss DNA replication and cloning...

Question, where in modern geology  is the back then site of the building of the Ark ??

It took Noah years to build that boat, if the area was semi desert  then animal life in that area would be limited to animals that survive under the conditions of the time. No Raindeer or Polar Bears.

Please correct me on this , I have been led to believe that Noah's boat was built in an area that had very little rain and his neighbors thought he was nuts to predict a flood.

When the Bible was written that far back in time they the people lived in very small areas.  This was their world.   

It cannot be just a coincidence that so much in the Bible has been found by our scientists to have in some way to have proved out the tale.

Our Little Communist must be young, too young to have experienced some very personal and awe inspiring things that are unexplained and even confonds our best scientists and doctors.

WC, can you explain to me how if there is no God, why Evil does not rule the earth for long.??   How come those that are Evil sooner or later GET THEIRS.?

[MrsSmith]

I doubt that Noah's Ark will ever be "found" as it never existed in the context that many think it might have. There is no possible way that Noah could have had two of every animal onboard because the dimensions wouldn't allow for it. It's physically impossible  to include as many animals as the Earth had at the time on the boat as described in the bible. Now, if we want to discuss DNA replication and cloning...

That depends on how "kinds" were defined, and on understanding the actual size of the Ark.  All ancient civilizations agree on the historicity of the Ark, it's only those looking back with poor understanding that doubt it.

[djones520]

Question, where in modern geology  is the back then site of the building of the Ark ??

It took Noah years to build that boat, if the area was semi desert  then animal life in that area would be limited to animals that survive under the conditions of the time. No Raindeer or Polar Bears.

Please correct me on this , I have been led to believe that Noah's boat was built in an area that had very little rain and his neighbors thought he was nuts to predict a flood.

When the Bible was written that far back in time they the people lived in very small areas.  This was their world.   

It cannot be just a coincidence that so much in the Bible has been found by our scientists to have in some way to have proved out the tale.

Our Little Communist must be young, too young to have experienced some very personal and awe inspiring things that are unexplained and even confonds our best scientists and doctors.

WC, can you explain to me how if there is no God, why Evil does not rule the earth for long.??   How come those that are Evil sooner or later GET THEIRS.?

If an "ark" was ever built, it was not in the literal sense of Genesis, nor in the literal circumstances.  It would have been impossible to place every animal onto that ship.  Now it may have been possible to place a wide majority of them on there, and then allow Evolution to repopulate the planet with the millions of differant species we have today, but I doubt you'd fine to many fundamentalists who'd go with that.  Not to mention the fact that it would take hundreds of thousands of years, if not millions to allow that evolution to occur, and we have no definitive fossil record to prove it.

The other "hole" in the literal interpretation is that there has never been a "global" flood that wiped humanity out.  Any geologist in the world can tell you this.  One also just has to check the mitochodrial DNA of anyone on the planet and they can tell you that it doesn't add up.  Four related couples did not repopulate the planet.

Now, I find it much easier to believe that there is some "truth" to the legend.  The most likely explanation being the deluge of the Black Sea.  When the polar ice caps melted after the end of the last Ice Age, the sea level of the Mediteranean rose to the point it overflowed into the Black Sea.  They have found evidence of cities submerged along the old shoreline of the Black Sea, and it's safe to assume that it happened in a relatively fast fashion.  Survivor stories of this may have turned into the legend of the Noah and his Ark.

[MrsSmith]

If an "ark" was ever built, it was not in the literal sense of Genesis, nor in the literal circumstances.  It would have been impossible to place every animal onto that ship.  Now it may have been possible to place a wide majority of them on there, and then allow Evolution to repopulate the planet with the millions of differant species we have today, but I doubt you'd fine to many fundamentalists who'd go with that.  Not to mention the fact that it would take hundreds of thousands of years, if not millions to allow that evolution to occur, and we have no definitive fossil record to prove it.

The other "hole" in the literal interpretation is that there has never been a "global" flood that wiped humanity out.  Any geologist in the world can tell you this.  One also just has to check the mitochodrial DNA of anyone on the planet and they can tell you that it doesn't add up.  Four related couples did not repopulate the planet.

Now, I find it much easier to believe that there is some "truth" to the legend.  The most likely explanation being the deluge of the Black Sea.  When the polar ice caps melted after the end of the last Ice Age, the sea level of the Mediteranean rose to the point it overflowed into the Black Sea.  They have found evidence of cities submerged along the old shoreline of the Black Sea, and it's safe to assume that it happened in a relatively fast fashion.  Survivor stories of this may have turned into the legend of the Noah and his Ark.

The "evolution" of the canine family in the last few thousand years is one example of strong evidence for the possibility of the type of rapid change that would have occurred after a world-wide flood.  Geologists look for evidence like silt when looking for flooding that would have not held true for having the entire world covered with water.  Survivor stories do not account for the fact that every civilization was aware of the flood and other details of the Ark.  We know a huge disaster happened in the past...when science gets around to actually looking into the possibility that it was caused by a worldwide deluge, they'll find the evidence to prove it.

[Doc]

The "evolution" of the canine family in the last few thousand years is one example of strong evidence for the possibility of the type of rapid change that would have occurred after a worldwide flood.  Geologists look for evidence like silt when looking for flooding that would have not held true for having the entire world covered with water.  Survivor stories do not account for the fact that every civilization was aware of the flood and other details of the Ark.  We know a huge disaster happened in the past...when science gets around to actually looking into the possibility that it was caused by a worldwide deluge, they'll find the evidence to prove it.

There actually is some geological evidence of at least a "regional" flood event, involving the Mediterranean area, the Middle East, North Africa, and the Black Sea area involving parts of the Caucasus.  The evidence apparently was more readily preserved due to the arid nature of the land where, elsewhere in the world, the climate and tectonics has served to make it much more difficult to find. 

This is interesting to the extent that the bulk of the human population existed in that area at the time.......perhaps making it "worldwide", at least from the human existence point of view.  It is also interesting, as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, that virtually every ancient civilization shares some historic legend of such an event.

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[djones520]

There actually is some geological evidence of at least a "regional" flood event, involving the Mediterranean area, the Middle East, North Africa, and the Black Sea area involving parts of the Caucasus.  The evidence apparently was more readily preserved due to the arid nature of the land where, elsewhere in the world, the climate and tectonics has served to make it much more difficult to find. 

This is interesting to the extent that the bulk of the human population existed in that area at the time.......perhaps making it "worldwide", at least from the human existence point of view.  It is also interesting, as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, that virtually every ancient civilization shares some historic legend of such an event.

doc

See my above post.  When you compare the timelines of the Black Sea deluge, and the story of Genisis, you get relatively close together.  But this was only a regional event.  I don't doubt that a lot of Genisis is somewhat based in fact.  But a literal interpretation just can't be taken seriously.

[Thor]

At one time there was "Pangea". All of the continents were together in one mass. Perhaps a shift in the plates that caused the different continents also caused the great flood. If humans were around when that happened, that would explain the closeness of ideologies and structures between the Egyptians and the Mayans. Nobody can definitively prove when the first humans came to be.

[djones520]

At one time there was "Pangea". All of the continents were together in one mass. Perhaps a shift in the plates that caused the different continents also caused the great flood. If humans were around when that happened, that would explain the closeness of ideologies and structures between the Egyptians and the Mayans. Nobody can definitively prove when the first humans came to be.

Pangea seperated 250 million years ago.  Long before the dinosaurs went extinct.  Actually, before the Dinosaurs even existed.  If you have any trust in modern scientific method, then you can definitively say that occured before humans existed.

[Thor]

My GUESS is that there were some civilizations that existed long before modern mankind. Science , especially archaeology, is NOT an exact science. I also have a THEORY that Carbon 14 dating isn't as accurate as scientists THINK it is.

[Doc]

See my above post.  When you compare the timelines of the Black Sea deluge, and the story of Genisis, you get relatively close together.  But this was only a regional event.  I don't doubt that a lot of Genisis is somewhat based in fact.  But a literal interpretation just can't be taken seriously.

Agreed......and Biblical scholars are in considerable disagreement on the timeline for Genesis.

I tend to also lean speculatively towards Thor's comment that a "Great Civilization" existed around 12,000 to 16,000 BC, ghosts of which we see in mythology and to an extent religion.  Not the "Atlantis" legend, but one that is far older.

There is also geological evidence for planetary "pole reversal", in eons past, which it is speculated could create a global cataclysm.

doc

[vesta111]

Agreed......and Biblical scholars are in considerable disagreement on the timeline for Genesis.

I tend to also lean speculatively towards Thor's comment that a "Great Civilization" existed around 12,000 to 16,000 BC, ghosts of which we see in mythology and to an extent religion.  Not the "Atlantis" legend, but one that is far older.

There is also geological evidence for planetary "pole reversal", in eons past, which it is speculated could create a global cataclysm.

doc

 I agree,   and why is it sneered upon that mankind did not exist in the time of some dinosaurs.?

I read a paper written by a scientist that tells of finding a bunch of bones from some kind of dinosaur in south America.  The Smithsonian scientists had one heck of a time trying to figure out what bone went where.

Some one from another department studying pottery from that area got an idea.  They had a pots shed with a drawn very odd creature on it.

After a night of drinking and arguing and name calling both departments got together and attempted to match the bones to the creature on the pottery, after a week or so of work, each and every bone fit.    Some one had actually lived and seen this beast and painted it on hand made pottery.