I posted something when I was new do DU saying I was concerned about a second ci

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Star Member redstatebluegirl (11,460 posts)
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I posted something when I was new do DU saying I was concerned about a second civil war.

I can't find it, but I remember getting slammed by the community here. I had people send me messages saying I didn't belong here, saying that I clearly didn't understand history and other lovely things. Overall everyone pretty much felt it was not possible and I was wrong. I wish I could find it, I would post it again and see what the reaction would be.

We are sitting here looking at a new civil war or a coup of some kind, that is very clear to me now. It was pretty clear to me when I posted that a few years ago.

How do all of you feel about that possibility now?

 

Star Member Elessar Zappa (6,433 posts)

1. I don't see a civil war happening.

I do think we could become an illiberal authoritarian society if we don’t do something about voter suppression. As far as violence goes, I see a moderate possibility that we could become similar to Northern Ireland in the previous century. Basically, random, frequent acts of domestic terrorism.

FBaggins (21,765 posts)

3. I don't remember the earlier post... but happy to "slam" you here

There is no danger of a second civil war.

FBaggins (21,765 posts)

10. "We had one of these attempted"

But without any plausibility of success.

This is really no different from the right pointing to some BLM protestors explicitly saying that they want to overthrow the government.

Those are indeed illegal actions, but there is no danger of an actual civil war or a "coup of some kind".

Star Member Atticus (10,894 posts)

14. I think your comparison of the January 6th criminals who invaded the Capitol with the expressed intent to murder the U.S. Vice President and the Speaker and overthrow the U.S. government with the BLM protestors' marches for racial justice is not just wrong and misguided, it is ludicrous.

How about rethinking that?

 

FBaggins (21,765 posts)

17. No need to rethink - both are ludicrous

There was no possibility of murdering the VP just like setting up a guillotine for Trump was never plausible despite protestors shouting "off with his head".

And I'm not comparing anyone to those who marched for racial justice (nor did any significant number of those on 1/6 plan to kill anyone or start a coup). I'm talking about the tiny minority who actually call for getting rid of the current system.

There is no possibility of another civil war... nor a coup attempt succeeding.

Star Member Atticus (10,894 posts)

21. The "Confederate States" did not "succeed", but the American Civil War was not

what many would term "ludicrous".

Clearly, you are unconcerned with traitorous attacks on our government and its leaders as long as the attacks fail. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Others disagree.

FBaggins (21,765 posts)

23. Yet another ludicrous comparison

There is no rational comparison between the two events. 1/6 was outrageous (and in many cases illegal) - it was not in any sense the start of a civil war nor a coup.

Others disagree.

And those "others" deserve the "slamming" that the OP received a decade ago and should receive now.

Those few who may have actually intended a "coup" are criminals and nutcases and should be treated as such. They are not a credible threat to the nation.

 

Star Member Atticus (10,894 posts)

25. Bless your heart! nt

Star Member Ocelot II (94,068 posts)

6. A civil war like the original one is highly unlikely, since that involved a conflict between two groups of states organized as entities with governments and military forces. The current ideological conflict isn't between discrete geographic areas except to the extent that it seems to be loosely but not entirely rural vs. urban. What might happen instead is something more like the Troubles in Northern Ireland from the '60s through the '80s, with repeated instances of attacks against government buildings and officials and other prominent targets.

Star Member StarfishSaver (15,806 posts)

8. This.

I do fear we're in for a lot of this kind of unrest/insurgencies now that the Trumpism mindset has metastisized into the right wing militia sphere.

 

Star Member Haggard Celine (12,804 posts)

9. I certainly think that a civil war is possible.

It all hinges on how many Q people and other Trump supporters are out there and how many of them are willing to take up arms against the government. I don't think there are enough of them to be a match for our military. Some people think that part of the military would join the rebels, but I don't think there would be many of those, either. Anyway, I think a civil war could happen, but it probably wouldn't last long.

Johnny2X2X (10,714 posts)

15. That's what Q wants

A Civil War, doesn't mean they'll get one, but it's appropriate to discuss.

DU has been overly cautious about moderating hyperbole for a long time.

 

I appreciate that we would rather stick with the facts as we can prove them. But this is something we need to be discussing. The rhetoric from the Right was leading up to this for several years and we ignored it at out own peril.

Several years back I started a thread on how conspiracy theory loving Cons would be obsessed with child sex scandals that they would try to pin on powerful Dems. I even took it to the next completely logical and predictable step that they'd claim there was child porn on the laptop of a candidate or the family of a candidate. And low and behold, that's exactly what they claimed was on Hunter Biden's laptop. Those threads got flagged for moderation and removed.

January 6th was not surprising in the least, they had been planning it for a long time. The crap they tried to invent with Hunter Biden's laptop was also predictable. The Democratic Party has done a poor job of anticipating what the Reps and Trump will do next, hopefully we start entertaining just how crazy they are to be able to protect the country.

 

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Atticus (10,894 posts)

14. I think your comparison of the January 6th criminals who invaded the Capitol with the expressed intent to murder the U.S. Vice President and the Speaker and overthrow the U.S. government...

Show me this expression of intent.

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Star Member Elessar Zappa (6,433 posts)

1. I don't see a civil war happening.

I do think we could become an illiberal authoritarian society if we don’t do something about voter suppression.

"Voter suppression" = liberal code for "blacks are too stupid to get IDs"

As far as violence goes, I see a moderate possibility that we could become similar to Northern Ireland in the previous century. Basically, random, frequent acts of domestic terrorism.

Yes, the significant increase of elderly Asians, mostly women, have been perpetrated overwhelmingly by black men.  What is your suggested solution, lefty?