kentuck: Is America still in danger of losing her democracy?

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Star Member kentuck (101,633 posts)
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Is America still in danger of losing her democracy?

Is most of it simple hyperbole? Are citizens' distrust and fears legitimate?

A great many thought everything would be much better when Biden was the President .

In some areas, especially those that were of utmost importance, such as the health of the American people, the situation seems to be much improved. The majority of Americans believe the new President has done a great job in fighting the pandemic, under enormous challenges.

The economy was in terrible shape, after many of the businesses were forced to shut down, and many people lost their jobs. It now seems to have gained its land legs, although still wobbly. That was no small accomplishment.

But, in some areas, it seems there is still a threat to our country. It should disturb every American to see what is going on in Arizona with the scam audit. There can be no valid audit, without legitimate and independent watchers, and without strict control of the movements of the ballots. That is a necessity.

Unfortunately, that has not happened in Arizona.

Also, there is increased "concern", with the growing threats of right-wing extremists groups. Some believe it has gotten worse since the present mob, now under custody, attacked our Capitol, and are refusing to accept any plea deals, perhaps under hopes that their Leader will come to save them. (Perhaps one out of the over four hundred insurrectionists arrested thus far?)

They believe they just have to be patient.

Now that the tanking economy and the pandemic are mostly under control, perhaps the DOJ will have time to focus on other pressing challenges and threats? (Such as saving our democracy from the insane radicals that have taken over the Republican Party)

Star Member Hekate (68,559 posts)

1. It *is* "much better with Biden as president" -- but Trump had 4 years to wreck the country...

...and it will take quite a bit longer to fix it. If we lose the House and Senate, there will be little Biden can do after that, so let’s make sure to elect Dems.

Take heart. Have courage. GOTV.

Funtatlaguy (8,927 posts)

14. We must continually look for NEW voters to register.

Get them excited about voting.
Pick them up on Election Day or early voting days if your state still has those.
Take them to the polls.
Give them goodie bags of sandwiches and water and convince to stand in expected long lines.

myohmy2 (2,098 posts)

2. yes...

...there are no guarantees we'll remain a democracy especially when a third of the population is hell-bent on destroying it...

...I know we're not supposed to think of Republicans as our enemy, but they are...everything we want, think or desire they oppose and they're willing to oppose it violently...how do we coexist with people that don't want to coexist?

...Republicans...

Star Member PortTack (19,207 posts)

4. The number is actually much smaller than 1/3. Qgop represents approx 28% of the voting Populous which is approx 168 million. Not all republicans believe in the big lie or want to see the orange mass and his cronies succeed. So maybe 50% of 1/3 of 168 million. Not 1/3 of 330 million.

 

Star Member Celerity (19,797 posts)

9. your maths are way off

When you add up the QMAGAt penumbra (of age non voters but ideologically similar/even more extreme, and the too young to vote but old enough to already be programmed or well down the start of that path, etc etc) to the 74 million Trump voters, plus a couple milion who voted RW third party, it is easily over 100 million.

It is over 100 million even when subtracting out the 10 to 15% (MAX) of Rethugs who say they do not approve atm of Trump. The your maths yield 28 million, which is ludicrously low. You are kidding yourself if you think that is the threat to democracy tally within in the US populace.

Cosmocat (13,535 posts)

11. Sorry, its far higher than 1/3 of our total population

First 99% of Republicans have no greater belief in their life than Democrats and liberals are literally the spawn of satan.

So, what all else they may or may not think or believe, they will think and vote R cause its the moral and right thing to do.

Also ... all these people who don't vote. The majority either agree w most of the bullshit republicans spew or are ok with it.

We are on a fairly rapid regression to being a chrisofascist authotitarian idiocracy because the overwhelming majority of the country either wants us to be such or are ok with it.

Star Member NJCher (26,113 posts)

7. The internet will have to be

Restructured to prevent these lies. Could take 50 years to do that.

 

Star Member Celerity (19,797 posts)

10. What do you propose? Remember, the US has what is likely one of the long wave,

Constitutionally-embedded, national suicide pacts (some others being the Electoral College, the very construct of the Senate itself, the 2nd Amendment, etc etc) known as the 1st Amendment, which will stifle most, if not all, attempts to cut out the cancer of disinfo/nonlinear warfare/reflexive control.

Norbert (4,343 posts)

12. As long as a lie carries the same or more weight as the truth there will always be a danger of losing our democracy.

 

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Funtatlaguy (8,927 posts)

14. We must continually look for NEW voters to register.

Get them excited about voting.
Pick them up on Election Day or early voting days if your state still has those.
Take them to the polls.
Give them goodie bags of sandwiches and water and convince to stand in expected long lines.

They see immigrants as the NEW voters they need to register and transport to and from polling sites with free shit and promises of the moon.

yesterday on his show joe scarborough went on a rant and basically told anyone who does not thing the 2020 election was fair to "get the hell out" of the U.S, and they are unworthy of this County

MSNBC host Joe Scarborough told Donald Trump loyalists who continue to believe the 2020 election was not fair to "get the hell out" of the U.S., saying they are "unworthy" of the country.

https://www.newsweek.com/msnbc-host-joe-scarborough-tells-trump-loyalists-get-hell-out-us-unworthy-1593644

He then went on to say he welcomes immigrants to come and take the place of the Citizens he deems unworthy of this Country.

Scarborough went on to say that "there are millions of immigrants who will come here and raise their right hand and buy into the creed and believe that we are exceptional, that believe American democracy is the greatest government on the face of the Earth!"

he ended his insane rant by saying that people who continue to believe President Trump's questioning of the election should again get the hell out and that "We don't want you here."

"Yes, this is all on you. Get the facts! Live in the light! Follow the truth! And love this country! And stop this! Or leave. Or leave. If you're going to believe a reality-TV show host's lies about the American republic, his desecration of American exceptionalism, then just get the hell out," he said. "We don't want you here."

I'm left with one question.  Who the **** is the "WE"  who are telling US to get the hell out of our Country so that millions of immigrants can come in vote the "right way"?

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Star Member kentuck (101,633 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215455271

Is America still in danger of losing her democracy?

Is most of it simple hyperbole? Are citizens' distrust and fears legitimate?

A great many thought everything would be much better when Biden was the President .

In some areas, especially those that were of utmost importance, such as the health of the American people, the situation seems to be much improved. The majority of Americans believe the new President has done a great job in fighting the pandemic, under enormous challenges.

Because as the situation is improving, voters will tend to credit whoever is in charge at the moment. Biden is benefitting from the ignorance of people who aren't paying any particular attention.

Also, thank you, Trump, for the vaccine and the rollout plan. 

The economy was in terrible shape, after many of the businesses were forced to shut down, and many people lost their jobs. It now seems to have gained its land legs, although still wobbly. That was no small accomplishment.

Thank you, states, for re-opening. 

[DUmpsterDiver]

The USA only has the KentuckKinLies and the DUmb ways of the left to fool their minions into following pure evil.   ESAD leftist scum... 

[SVPete]

... The majority of Americans believe the new President has done a great job in fighting the pandemic, under enormous challenges.

President Biden, to date has at best done nothing to fight Covid. Every single vaccine dose injected to date was ordered by President Trump. Every single vaccine dose delivered to the states but waiting to be used was ordered by President Trump. Every single US-taxpayer paid vaccine Biden sent to other countries was ordered by President Trump. Biden has ordered more vaccine beyond what Trump purchased, but those will only start being delivered in the next few weeks, and the contract under which Biden ordered was negotiated by Trump.

J&J received EUA for their vaccine in late Frebruary 2021, based on Phase 3 testing begun in September 2020. Pfizer received an extension of their EUA to include youths age 12-15. The testing that led to that extension began in October 2020.

The two fully Biden era actions were a program of Federally run mass injection sites that failed and the week-long bungling of the blood clots possibly linked to the J&J vaccine (the clot rate was similar to or lower than the random population rate for such clots). The former was just $$ lost, but the latter coincided with a significant decrease in daily injections, probably indicating that the public view of the safety of all three vaccines - two of which were not involved - was affected. Biden MALAdministration stupidity had consequences.

Looking into the future, Novavax should soon be applying for Emergency Use Authorization. If they receive EUA, a 100 million dose purchase contract will come into force, a contract negotiated by Trump. Moderna may soon apply for an extension to their EUA to include youths age 12-17. Testing for that began in December 2020. Pfizer has started the process that will lead to full approval of their vaccine, and Moderna probably will soon. Such approvals would be based on the Phase 3 trials begun under Trump and the mass distribution begun under Trump.

Farther out and less certain, AstraZeneca could request EUA for their vaccine. It's already approved and used by several countries. It apparently is not effective against the South African variant, which may be why AZ hasn't applied for EUA. If AZ does apply for and receive EUA, a 300 million dose purchase contract would come into force, a contract negotiated by Trump (at a time when the AZ vaccine seemed to be a couple of months ahead of Pfizer and Moderna). Sanofi is about to start Phase 3 testing of their vaccine (plus an adjuvant produced by GlaxoSmithKline). Inovio should start Phase 3 testing once the FDA agrees to the use of their specialized injection device (the vaccine did well in Phase 2 when injected by conventional hypodermic). Vaxart has a tablet-based (no hypodermic syringe and needle!) vaccine in Phase 2 testing.

Class ...Class ... CLASS ... WAKE UP!

[DLR Pyro]

A great many thought everything would be much better when Biden was the President .

President Biden, to date has at best done nothing to fight Covid.

because he has no clue what to do to fight covid which is why prattles on non-stop about wearing a mask when the effectiveness of masks has been proven to be almost zero. But he thinks it looks like he is in charge and issuing life saving orders so he continues to do so and the left credit him as the great conqueror of the chi-vi.

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because he has no clue what to do to fight covid which is why prattles on non-stop about wearing a mask when the effectiveness of masks has been proven to be almost zero. But he thinks it looks like he is in charge and issuing life saving orders so he continues to do so and the left credit him as the great conqueror of the chi-vi.

He has no clue what to do to fight COVID, which is why during the election he would say he was going to "shut it down" and use other vague language.

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He has no clue what to do to fight COVID, which is why during the election he would say he was going to "shut it down" and use other vague language.

The gross ignorance LIEden displayed and the grosser lies LIEden told during the campaign and continues to display and tell have far exceeded my cynical expectations. Seen in the context of his lies, LIEden's ignorance is shown to be willful. For all his Covid-mouthings, LIEden doesn't give a shit, and never did.

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> KinPhuckHe says:  Is America still in danger of losing her democracy?

KinCopulate shows the dark side of his moon sunny side up just waiting for a grand entry by a warm DUmpPoke.
The only important ingredient America needs is its missing wise leadership.  You ain't it son.