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DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« on: October 26, 2009, 01:48:00 PM »
If you have ever wondered how an innocent child can grow up to become a democrat DUmmy, here's your answer.  As with nearly everything that forms an adult personality, it goes back to the parents. In this thread, DUmmies discuss the rules they enforce with their children regarding the use of vulgar language. As you may suspect, DUmmies view vulgar language very differently than do decent and civilized folks:

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ZombieHorde  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-26-09 01:29 PM
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Poll question: Should children be allowed to use swear words?
My wife and I allow our children to use swear words, but not slurs.

Example:
Tinker toys are ****ing stupid = OK
Tinker toys are gay = Not OK
Tinker toys are retarded = Not OK

They are not allowed to call other people names. They don't get in trouble in school for swearing because we told them not to words such as ****, shit, ass, etc. in school.

Disclaimer: we have nothing against tinker toys, I just used them as an example.
Poll result (47 votes) 
Yes, children should be allowed to use swear words.  (15 votes, 32%) Vote
No, children should not be allowed to use swear words.   (32 votes, 68%) Vote

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Brickbat (600 posts)      Mon Oct-26-09 01:31 PM
1. I didn't vote. I swear, but my kids aren't allowed to. I tell them it's like driving a car or doing
other grown-up things, and at this point they're too young to do so. If they DO swear in front of me, though, they're not in trouble. I just remind them that that isn't appropriate. It's not a big deal either way. I don't want them to be afraid of words.



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ZombieHorde  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-26-09 01:37 PM
4. Children should not drive for safety reasons. Why should a child not be allowed to swear? nt


 
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tmyers09 (59 posts)        Mon Oct-26-09 01:33 PM
2. Haha those poor tinker toys. 
I voted yes. While slurs are generally offensive and contain negative connotations to many people, IMO, swear words are just that, words.I see them as merely emphasis.

That game was so awesome! = That game was ****ing awesome!

They mean the same thing.
 


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mitchum  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-26-09 02:09 PM
21. Despite that old schoolmarm shibboleth, swearing is a privilege of the articulate
I have an extensive vocabulary
obscene words make up only a small portion of said vocabulary.
 


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Geostudent (12 posts)        Mon Oct-26-09 01:39 PM
6.  It depends on the kid and the family I think.
Personally, I was allowed to swear from when I was around 11 or so. The only real rule was to never swear at a person in anger or certain situations, like the one you mention. The novelty quickly grew old and I really stopped swearing by 14 or so. Still to this day, I rarely use them.

I think it is a lot like drinking. If you wait to do it til you are an "adult" , you over do it until you learn how to use it correctly.

 

Actually, this comment is kind of funny:
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T Wolf (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-26-09 02:01 PM
19. Similar story. THree-year old daughter comes home after being picked up by Dad at
daycare.

Goes to Mom and asks, "Mommy. What's a mother****er?"

Mom, in her best guidance counselor voice, says, "What do you think it is, sweetie""

Daughter responds, "I think it is someone who can't drive real well."

 
DUmmy walldude, who is so stupid he bragged at the DUmp about sabotaging his employer, including enough detail that a lousy Freeper could identify the employer, send a warning, and get DUmmy walldude fired: 
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walldude  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-26-09 01:39 PM
9. My kids are allowed to swear at home. They know there are places you can and places you can't.
 


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Quantess  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-26-09 01:40 PM
11. It is something that should be discouaged.
The more ingrained the habit of swearing, the harder it will be to not swear when you really need to stop. I have known people who are unaware that they sprinkle in the f word in every sentence. That just adds a level of complication to things like getting through a job interview.
 
DUmmies fail the drug test, so swearing in a job interview is not at the top of their list of problems.


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Graybeard  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-26-09 01:42 PM
12. At home yes, but not outside.
If Mom and Pop regularly use swear words in the home the kids can't be faulted for doing the same. However it should be understood that doing so in public is frowned on.
 


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Iggo  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-26-09 01:42 PM
13. Mine are allowed to speak however they speak...
 ...but to practice discretion. When in doubt, don't.



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Xenotime (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-26-09 01:46 PM
14. There is nothing wrong with children expressing free speech
   
 

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T Wolf (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-26-09 01:57 PM
17. "Swear" words serve a function. They remove the phony propriety that allows people 
to politely discuss whether it is OK or not to hold disgusting views and values.
That phony propriety is what we call civilized behavior. When used by democrat DUmmies, it is phony.
 

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AlienGirl  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-26-09 02:02 PM
20. We've got Anything Goes Days
On an Anything Goes day, the kids can use any swear words they want, all day long. As the kids have gotten older they've become a little less enthusiastic, but they still have fun saying "****" a lot.

When it's not Anything Goes Day, they aren't supposed to use swear words without permission.

Slurs are always unacceptible though, because they hurt people's feelings.



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Nye Bevan  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-26-09 02:13 PM
22. So "**** this ******* mother****ing piece of shit homework assignment"
 = OK? It never occurred to me to allow my kids to say stuff like that. I have always tried to teach my kids to verbalize their feelings without using that kind of language. I suppose my parenting style is old-fashioned compared to that of many DUers.
 

 
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009, 02:03:55 PM »
Good lord.  If I so much as THOUGHT about a swear word I was tasting Ivory soap for DAYS.  I ate alot of soap.  If I smell it to this day I have a compelling urge to vomit.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2009, 02:29:22 PM »
That mo**** fu***** G** D*** Obama is a s** of a b****ing stupid a** nig***.

Oh please excuse me, I used the "N" word....otherwise everything else is OK....
well the DUmmies said it was.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2009, 02:29:46 PM »
A disciplined tongue indicates a disciplined mind, and the converse is true as well.  This is, therefore, not all that surprising a thread for DUmmieLand.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2009, 02:33:37 PM »
They are so stupid! How is a slur in the home only any different from a swear word? How does it hurt someone's feeling to use the word retard if there is no retard in the house? This is more of their phony(there is that word again) self-righteousness and a bunch of children in adult bodies who should know better raising a generation of likely more uncivilized idiots.

And drinking young takes away all of its attraction? Really? I know a few alcoholics who started in their very young teens. I suppose it depends whether you want to take the chance that your child is not an addictive personality or not. I'm not willing to be responsible for that kind of game-playing with a child I am charged with raising. They are fooling themselves if they don't think they are crippling their children with poor habits that are entirely preventable. What I see here is a bunch of people who don't want better for their own children because they are such low lives themselves. Not surprising the envious dummies would envy their children doing better in any way then themselves so they raise them to be more 'least common demoninators'. Pitiful!
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2009, 02:37:48 PM »
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2009, 02:51:22 PM »
My swearing seems to be determined by the company I'm in.  I seldom swear at home or around friends and family, but do a lot at work, but most co-workers do also. I was one of those kids that had to find out what Ivory soap tasted like.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2009, 02:52:56 PM »
They never think of the obvious, especially if involves them changing their own behavior.   A number of them say "well the adults in the house use those words, so.."
either we tell the kids it's a grown up thing or we tell the kids it's ok for them too.  

How about the adults in the house just stop using those words around the kids? or just stop using those words altogether?

I never used those words very much, maybe when driving or stubbing my toe or some other stupid self injury when I was in my 20's and 30's.  When I had kids, I was very careful not to use those words around the kids.   When I caught my kids using the words and I think "shit" is the worst I heard, I told them that I did not want to hear it and I don't want to find out that they have offended anyone else with that language.  Basically if my son wants to talk that way with his buddies and they all want to talk that way, I don't care.  I don't want to hear it and little brother better not tell me that he learned any of it from big brother.

I'm sure my 15 year old football player has dropped an f bomb here and there but I have never heard it.

If I ever heard any of his friends using that language in our home or our car or in my presence I would also tell them, I don't want to hear it.   But all of his friends have always been very respectful around me and I haven't heard it from them either.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2009, 02:53:11 PM »
Cursing is the crutch of the inarticulate mother****er, DUmmies.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2009, 02:59:42 PM »
"Shut-Up" was a swear word when I was growing up.  I never would have dreamed of using an actual one in front of my parents.  :innocent:  My mom would have washed my mouth out with soap. 

I managed to become an articulate, well adjusted adult without swearing as a child.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2009, 03:07:02 PM »
I had a basketball coach & teacher who wouldn't let us use the word "sucks".  Along with the other much nastier terms, of course.  I always thought that was unusual.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2009, 03:10:22 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on October 26, 2009, 02:51:22 PM
My swearing seems to be determined by the company I'm in.  I seldom swear at home or around friends and family, but do a lot at work, but most co-workers do also. I was one of those kids that had to find out what Ivory soap tasted like.

I feel your pain.  I will cop to cussing when I am around a group of friends, and I am a good cusser.  My Mom taught me.  (reference above Ivory soap incident, I was raised in the "do as I say not as I do" environment."

I do not cuss around children, in public, or at work.  (except in my head.)
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2009, 03:14:34 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on October 26, 2009, 02:51:22 PM
My swearing seems to be determined by the company I'm in.

Same here.  Profanity seems to seep out on the golf course more than anywhere.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2009, 03:29:30 PM »
Celtic, "shut up" was a swear word in my growing-up, too!  We weren't even allowed to say it to siblings.  We couldn't say we "hated" anybody besides Hitler (a leftover Grandma rule).  And we couldn't say "Oh God!"  

Bless my parents for trying, but I swear freely at home (just me & the mister); never ever at work or other polite company.  
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2009, 03:45:23 PM »
Quote from: Ralph Wiggum on October 26, 2009, 03:14:34 PM
Same here.  Profanity seems to seep out on the golf course more than anywhere.

You know why "golf" is called "golf," don't you?
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2009, 04:00:25 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on October 26, 2009, 03:45:23 PM
You know why "golf" is called "golf," don't you?

I do, but you might want to let everyone else in on the joke.
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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2009, 06:13:50 PM »
Quote from: Ralph Wiggum on October 26, 2009, 04:00:25 PM
I do, but you might want to let everyone else in on the joke.

Okay . . . "Golf" is called "golf" because the words "shit" and "****" were already taken . . .
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2009, 09:01:30 PM »
I was in the Navy. :-)
I was also raised to act like a lady in polite society. But when I spent time with my friends in engineering on the ship I did speak the language.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2009, 12:26:33 AM »
Quote from: AprilRazz on October 26, 2009, 09:01:30 PM
I was in the Navy. :-)
I was also raised to act like a lady in polite society. But when I spent time with my friends in engineering on the ship I did speak the language.

That's the same excuse I hear from my son, April!! :tongue:

I've always been pretty controlled about where and when I swear. My kids were out of high school before they were swearing around me.

Except for one very memorable time...

My daughter was three and a half. It was Thanksgiving and we had a house full of my ex's fellow urology  residents and their significants over for dinner. We had finished dinner, and everyone was sitting in the family room - kitchen while I was fixing dessert.

My beautiful little cherub wanted to help Momma serve the "punkin pie wif cream" ....

She managed the delivery of the first and second ones just perfectly.

The third....slid off the plate onto the carpet.

This beautiful little blonde cherub says....."Well sh-i-i-it...."

Just at the same moment that all conversation in the room had stopped for 3 seconds.

The guy who lived across the street (who is also my son's godfather)....laughed and said...."Hey, Deb....she sounds exactly like you!"

Everyone laughed....except my ex husband....who was ticked...and me...who was mortified. :bawl:

Sometimes ....there's just nothing you can say or do..... :clueless:



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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2009, 01:07:25 AM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on October 26, 2009, 06:13:50 PM
Okay . . . "Golf" is called "golf" because the words "shit" and "****" were already taken . . .

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Yep...always different variations...but always a good joke.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2009, 01:55:13 AM »
With me and the grandkids, the whole fam damnily tries to get me to pay attention when they are around. Nothing like hearing my newest little girl say shit! I luv it, but get admonished by everyone else, 'specially "Toots".

Hell, I been tryin' to teach her how to blow her nose out the back door!

I figure there's enough of them to counter-act my bad influence. Besides, my grandaughter loves bein' Papa's little "butt nugget"! (and that IS what I call her!) She wouldn't trade it for the world!

Hell, everthing has a perspective. Something lost on the DUmmies. Being a grandfather is SUPPOSED to have it's privledges! I'm like my "butt nugget", I wouldn't trade it for the world, or another hundred years!
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2009, 11:56:19 AM »
If DUmmies had no standards they... they don't have standards at all, no IF about that
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2009, 01:09:40 PM »
That DU thread was ****ing retarded and gay.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2009, 01:55:25 PM »
Quote from: SherryBaby on October 27, 2009, 01:09:40 PM
That DU thread was ****ing retarded and gay.

The bonfires of the primitives usually are, madam.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss DUmmy Children Using Vulgar Language
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2009, 02:05:11 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on October 27, 2009, 01:55:25 PM
The bonfires of the primitives usually are, madam.

I just wonder why using "gay" and "retarded" are given cred as slurs.  No one uses the word "retarded" when speaking of disabled folks anymore.  It's just a word meaning...well...retarded (dictionary says "A slowing down or hindering of progress; a delay").

And gay?  Calling it a slur is basically an insult to gay people.  No gay person I know is insulted when I call them "gay."  I use the word as an adjective all the time.  My best friend (who is gay) doesn't give a ****.  It's a joke between us when she does something silly and I say, "you are so gay."

I do cuss...probably too much...but never claimed to be much of a lady.  I sure can swing a samurai sword though.  Just ask my kids.
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