socialist_n_TN wants property

[Carl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002237883

socialist_n_TN (6,528 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

 
RE: Occupying abandoned "private" property..........
 Most of the buildings that are built by supposedly "private investors" use public funds one way or another. If not for the actual construction, then for the tax breaks, subsidies, roads, water and sewer, and utilities.

If the people invested tax dollars into a building that's been abandoned, OCCUPY IT! It belongs to the people.

Seeing how a municipality maintains the roads I am taking your car.

Idiocy like this that should be painful.

randome (2,636 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. Ah, a new tactic.


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Use the tax laws to justify anarchy. Cool.

But who are 'the people'? Anyone who says 'I'm with OWS'?

aquart (63,659 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. Use unjust, unfair laws to justify an insistence on fair and just laws.

If you want anarchy, you really have to sit next to Ron Paul and baby Rand.

randome (2,636 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
4. I doubt that you or anyone with OWS can explain what laws they were trying to right.

They may have done some research to decide which specific building they wanted but I don't see how any of that helps promote economic justice.

aquart (63,659 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. See, OWS ain't the ones that gotta be specific, Procrustes.

But you keep inviting suckers to sleep on that bed of yours.

Hell no,they just want free stuff.

socialist_n_TN (6,528 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
13. Well, I would go even farther than the Occupiers do in this case


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I would promote "economic justice" by occupying and reopening closed manufacturing plants as workers co-ops. Sieze them under "Emminent Domain" and give the local workers group (union) government loans to buy materials, pay salaries and manufacture goods in direct competition with the "private" company that closed the plant.

THAT would be a model of government that actually worked FOR the people.

Since there is no motivation the product will be shoddy and non competitive therefor the government will be forced to exterminate the private enterprise in favor of the public one.
In other words the same path that your ideas led to in the Soviet Union but you are too stupid to admit it.

randome (2,636 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
23. Sounds good to me.

Now can you convince anyone with OWS to push for this? Probably not, unfortunately.

socialist_n_TN (6,528 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
25. Actually a LOT of Occupy Oakland.........

would probably back this. At least from what I've seen about this particular Occupy. This is a VERY revolutionary socialist idea and Occupy Oakland is pretty socialist. I would expect this to be a future tactic in this front of the class war.

My bet is that the booth to sign up for even a government manual labor job will be a pretty lonely place at any vermin gathering.

jwirr (18,439 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. That is also true of many of the residential buildings in this country - built with housing loans


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from some program the government subsidizes. I am afraid that if we took this literally we would be doing the equivalent of firing on Fort Sumpter. Property is the big sticking point of capitalism. And unfortunately I think our president would back up the bankster owners.

Yeah,no shit.

socialist_n_TN (6,528 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. Yep. Occupy them too........

Why should the banks who reaped profit at no (or very little) risk, make yet MORE profit from foreclosures from government guaranteed and subsidized loans?

Yet ANOTHER way the government works for the 1% and not the rest of us.

 

TheWraith (21,951 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. That also applies to your house. So it's okay to come and take that away from you? nt

 

socialist_n_TN (6,528 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
10. That's PERSONAL property as opposed to "private" property

Bringing up an old "Red Scare" canard doesn't help your case.

Being a communist defeats yours.

TheWraith (21,951 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
16. No, your house is also PRIVATE PROPERTY.

And the fact that you think that there's a difference between PERSONAL property and "PRIVATE" property tells me that you really don't well understand what you're talking about. There are two categories here: public property and private property. Everything that's not one is the other.

Not when a socialist wants a freebie.

Dreamer Tatum (6,126 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
19. Um....WHAAAAAAAAT?

Personal is different from private?

How many new rules are you going to make up here?

socialist_n_TN (6,528 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
22. Marx came up with that rule 160 years ago........

I can't take credit for it. I just believe it.

MNBrewer (3,727 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
17. For people for whom "property rights" are sacrosanct, personal and private mean the same thing.

Objectivists believe this, for example. Others take a more complex view.

You will have a complex view from another hole between your eyes if you try it.

Yo_Mama (2,009 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. The city of Oakland owns the building

http://occupyoakland.org/2011/11/city-seeks-tenants-for-the-henry-j-kaiser-convention-center-at-10-tenth-street/

The city is trying to sell or lease it. The link shows that in 2011, the city council authorized sale to the redevelopment authority.

Should the protesters be trying to occupy it? This is public property that they are trying to seize, with the stated intent of having a party, after which I would guess the building would have to be razed, because the link above says that the building does not meet code.

Yes, it belongs to the people. Does Occupy have the right to seize public property and use it for their own purposes?

socialist_n_TN (6,528 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
11. From what I read the Occupiers are looking to use........

the building for helping the community. A "party"? RW propagandize much?

Yo_Mama (2,009 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
14. I can't find the link, but I did read somewhere that

the idea was to occupy a building, use it as a community center, and first hold a two-day party to celebrate the occupation. When I saw that it was on something that was published by those who seemed to be at least supporters of Occupy, so I was assuming that was accurate?

I gather the party idea was used as a draw to get people to come out.

But what is your opinion? Do you think OWS Oakland has the right to seize public property? They want to use it for their own group's purposes.

Since it is owned by the city, it is not a matter of private property rights. The, ah, incursions yesterday were focused on public property, not private property. They had announced their intentions, which is why the cops were beefed up.

Public property is still subject to the laws of the municipality you dolt.

socialist_n_TN (6,528 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
24. Well, don't you think there's a difference between

siezing a building to have a "party" and having a party to celebrate siezing a building for the long term good of the community? The first implies that that's the ONLY reason for the siezure.

long as i got weed i don`t care man haha

Obamanaut (9,870 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
12. You aren't serious, are you? "The People" invested tax dollars in me for a 28 year military career,

and a monthly check since 1988 for retirement.

Surely you aren't suggesting that on one of my idle days a group of taxpayers could compel me via 'occupying' to plow their fields, or paint their barns, or some such task? I wasn't doing anything, just soaking up tax dollars.

Surely your OP was typed in jest.

How does he survive?

socialist_n_TN (6,528 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
18. Nope not at all in jest...........

Don't mistake personal property (your pensions, your house, your car, your iPod) for "private" property. Unless you don't think that the people should benefit from closed buildings and even manufactories that they've invested in with those tax subsidies.

Do you think that the 1% should get all those perks from the people who were investing in their community and "jobs" and then just close it down when it's no longer "profitable" enough? And then SELL it off at a profit without having to pay back the people?

 

Dreamer Tatum (6,126 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
15. Great - let the occupiers then pay taxes on their property.

Ooops - weren't expecting that, were you?

socialist_n_TN (6,528 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
20. I would imagine that that could be covered......

And probably fairly easily.

Pony up commie.

By the way,anyone know what became of the hundreds of thousands of dollars that occupy had banked last fall?

[Skul]

The "workers coop" cracked me up. Sounds strangly familiar, doesn't it?
Then there was the demand to give tax-payer money  to "local workers groups" (unionsAll this to compete
with the private sector, and teach them a lesson.
Naturally, labor costs will be over the top, due to "union" wage demands, four day work weeks, six hours a day, twenty paid holidays, five weeks paid vacation, maternity leave, paternity leave, and unspecified non-religious time off for good behavior.
There isn't a smiley on the reply page that can adequately show the stuoidity.

[jukin]

Clearly the DUchebags have never worked in the private sector manufacturing anything. Whatever the co-op would make would be ten times the price, delivered years late, and have zero sales.  Kind of sounds like an 0bama green energy company.

[Skul]

Clearly the DUchebags have never worked in the private sector manufacturing anything. Whatever the co-op would make would be ten times the price, delivered years late, and have zero sales.  Kind of sounds like an 0bama green energy company.

Volt. 

[franksolich]

The "workers coop" cracked me up. Sounds strangely familiar, doesn't it?

Yeah.

We'd be the workers, and the primitives would be the bosses.

Just like it was in the socialist paradises of the workers and peasants.

[Tucker]

Response to randome (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:25 PM

Star Member socialist_n_TN (6,531 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
13. Well, I would go even farther than the Occupiers do in this case

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I would promote "economic justice" by occupying and reopening closed manufacturing plants as workers co-ops. Sieze them under "Emminent Domain" and give the local workers group (union) government loans to buy materials, pay salaries and manufacture goods in direct competition with the "private" company that closed the plant.

THAT would be a model of government that actually worked FOR the people.

Response to socialist_n_TN (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:10 PM

Star Member michreject (3,901 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
31. How would you handle increased salary demands?

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Raise the price of the product, thus giving your competitor, an advantage?

Telling your employee's that in order to hold your competitive edge you have to keep expenditures down?

Buying raw materials from a cheaper source?

Asking the Federal Government for bailout money when you run out because of raising demands?

Where have I heard these before?

Waiting to see how the TN socialist replies to this one.

[JohnnyReb]

We conservatives should take control of all money and property of DUmmies, what little they have. Then we make a tendency toward socialism and nonwork a crime and deport all those that favor it. A country of like individuals.

Hey, goose gander, you know.

[Chris_]

By the way,anyone know what became of the hundreds of thousands of dollars that occupy had banked last fall?

The last time I heard anything about it, their $500k windfall was down to $350k.

It's probably all gone now.

[GOBUCKS]

The last time I heard anything about it, their $500k windfall was down to $350k.

It's probably all gone now.

If it hasn't already evaporated without accounting for where it went, it's an absolute certainty that it will.

Occuscam.

[LC EFA]

A "workers coop" would have to operate much like a chicken coop I'd imagine.

What happens to the chickens in the coop when they go off the lay ?

[JohnnyReb]

A "workers coop" would have to operate much like a chicken coop I'd imagine.

What happens to the chickens in the coop when they go off the lay ?

You know, DUmmies are a lot like chickens. They shit anywhere and everywhere, then get mad when we step in their shit.

[LC EFA]

You know, DUmmies are a lot like chickens. They shit anywhere and everywhere, then get mad when we step in their shit.

If they didn't taste like bong grease and weren't carriers of communicable diseases there might actually be a use for them.

[JohnnyReb]

If they didn't taste like bong grease and weren't carriers of communicable diseases there might actually be a use for them.

I don't care how you boil, roast or fry them, they'll never taste like chicken.

[Tucker]

I don't care how you boil, roast or fry them, they'll never taste like chicken.

Chicken is how I'd describe them. Cowards is another.
I

[diesel driver]

If they didn't taste like bong grease and weren't carriers of communicable diseases there might actually be a use for them.

"Soylent Green"?  

[Karin]

What happens to the chickens in the coop when they go off the lay ?

To quote my favorite quote from Delilahmused:

"He was an asshole, so I shot him and made him into soup." 



Gets me every time.  

[NHSparky]

The last time I heard anything about it, their $500k windfall was down to $350k.

It's probably all gone now.

It was $750K at one point.  And yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if it was all gone.  Rooms at the W go for $700/night.

LINK

[LC EFA]

"Soylent Green"?  

Soylent "Red" would be a more accurate term in this case :P

[delilahmused]

You know, DUmmies are a lot like chickens. They shit anywhere and everywhere, then get mad when we step in their shit.

Now that's just an insult to chickens. My chickens work for a living. Not only do I get eggs but most of them end up in the stew pot after they've stopped laying (except the ones who are pets). Even their poop is useful, unlike the Occupoopers. It fertilizes my garden. And they also provide for themselves. They spend their days, regardless of the whether, foraging for food every single day. When I'm turning over soil, they're right there eating the grubs & the weed seeds. Get's a little irritating and I've almost cut a few heads off with a hoe, but I'd rather not have grubs & weeds. I even see them with the occasional vermin. My Buckeye's are especially good mousers (they're naturally multi-taskers since they're the only breed in the US developed by a woman). And they bathe, often. In the summer when there's plenty of dry dirt you see them out there in their little social groups bathing every day.

They aren't as "chicken" as the DUmmies, either. Rooster battles can get pretty bloody. I've   trained my cattle dog to break them up because I'll be damned if I'm gonna get between them. And I've seen a mother hen take on a hawk (and win) protecting her babies. It's just amazing to watch. Best way I know to train a dog to leave chickens alone is lock him in the coop with a mean broody hen. Ten minutes is about all it takes.

I think the DUmmies are more like grubs. They live in the soil just beneath the surface (kinda like living in a basement) leeching off my sweat and hard work by eating the roots of the perennials in my flowerbed. It's the only way they know how to live so once they're exposed to the light they have no idea what the hell to do. Or maybe a slug, except they live above ground. Eat every green thing in sight and leave a slimy trail behind them. And they have absolutely no idea how to defend themselves. Pour a little salt on them and they shrivel up and die. Put out some beer and they drink themselves to death.

Cindie

[DumbAss Tanker]

socialist_n_TN (6,528 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

 
RE: Occupying abandoned "private" property..........
 Most of the buildings that are built by supposedly "private investors" use public funds one way or another. If not for the actual construction, then for the tax breaks, subsidies, roads, water and sewer, and utilities.

If the people invested tax dollars into a building that's been abandoned, OCCUPY IT! It belongs to the people.

How about people who paid no net taxes?  Your argument kinda falls apart there, Commie.

[Wineslob]

Not enough "derp".

socialist_n_TN (6,528 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
13. Well, I would go even farther than the Occupiers do in this case


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I would promote "economic justice" by occupying and reopening closed manufacturing plants as workers co-ops. Sieze them under "Emminent Domain" and give the local workers group (union) government loans to buy materials, pay salaries and manufacture goods in direct competition with the "private" company that closed the plant.

THAT would be a model of government that actually worked FOR the people.

Idiot. 



As has been posted before:

[diesel driver]

socialist_n_TN (6,528 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
13. Well, I would go even farther than the Occupiers do in this case


Last edited Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:32 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
I would promote "economic justice" by occupying and reopening closed manufacturing plants as workers co-ops. Sieze them under "Emminent Domain" and give the local workers group (union) government loans to buy materials, pay salaries and manufacture goods in direct competition with the "private" company that closed the plant.

Actually, this is a pretty good idea.  Let THEM deal with the regulations, laws, taxes, expenses, unions, and other general BULLSHIT businesses have to put up with on a daily basis. 

See if their college courses have any real use in the real world, outside of a wall decoration.  My guess would be "No!"

[DumbAss Tanker]

Actually, this is a pretty good idea.  Let THEM deal with the regulations, laws, taxes, expenses, unions, and other general BULLSHIT businesses have to put up with on a daily basis. 

See if their college courses have any real use in the real world, outside of a wall decoration.  My guess would be "No!"

The comedy would be legendary!

 

[Rugnuts]

"Soylent Green"?   

ok so i didnt know what soylent green was. i read the Wiki. now i gotta rent this masterpiece.

last line from Wiki...

"In the summer of 2011, a green wafer containing plankton was released under the name 'Soylent Green'. Created and produced by the Parallax Corporation,[14] and manufactured under official license, its packaging is an imaginary concept of how Soylent Green might have been sold"

[FlaGator]

Clearly the DUchebags have never worked in the private sector manufacturing anything. Whatever the co-op would make would be ten times the price, delivered years late, and have zero sales.  Kind of sounds like an 0bama green energy company.

I'm confused... is that private sector or personal sector manufacturing?