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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2010, 05:22:36 PM »
Model rocketry has become a huge hobby with some people. Some of the rockets built could rival a Sidewinder missile in size. Last week on the travel channel they had a hour long episode on a gathering of those kinds of rockets and how high they could go. I think one tried for 25,000 feet.
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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2010, 05:31:12 PM »
A model rocket?  I find that hard to swallow.
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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2010, 05:44:50 PM »
Possibly an "accidental" launch - and they're still sorting through the chain of command to find out who and how before stripping some stripes.

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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2010, 05:49:05 PM »
Model rocketry has become a huge hobby with some people. Some of the rockets built could rival a Sidewinder missile in size. Last week on the travel channel they had a hour long episode on a gathering of those kinds of rockets and how high they could go. I think one tried for 25,000 feet.

Actually for the real enthusiasts, some of them rival a USN Standard missile in size, and like guns or anything else, all those legal rules are only a factor if you actually follow them.

Hard to say what really happened.
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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2010, 05:58:06 PM »
Actually for the real enthusiasts, some of them rival a USN Standard missile in size, and like guns or anything else, all those legal rules are only a factor if you actually follow them.

Hard to say what really happened.

And then there is this interesting hobby.
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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2010, 06:06:56 PM »
Assuming this was done by hobbyists, which I don't believe, shouldn't the military have scrambled aircraft and or ships to the area to investigate?  This did take place at sea, so it would take a good sized craft to serve as a launch platform.

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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2010, 06:29:24 PM »
Assuming this was done by hobbyists, which I don't believe, shouldn't the military have scrambled aircraft and or ships to the area to investigate?  This did take place at sea, so it would take a good sized craft to serve as a launch platform.

My husband is a model train enthusiast, we don't have Amtrak-oopsies driving through our living room  :o  So,

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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2010, 06:31:45 PM »
Some military are claiming this was nothing more than a jet taking off.  :mental:  Fox news is giving this some credibility.   I don't buy it.

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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2010, 06:35:50 PM »
Some military are claiming this was nothing more than a jet taking off.  :mental:  Fox news is giving this some credibility.   I don't buy it.

I finally saw the video in question and I'd say that's the best explanation.
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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2010, 06:46:12 PM »
I finally saw the video in question and I'd say that's the best explanation.

I don't believe it. Most of the comparable pictures that are contrails are headed towards the horizon, this is climbing.  This video on the KCBS page shows a bright light where the object is. I've never seen that from an airliner.

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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2010, 06:57:26 PM »
I don't believe it. Most of the comparable pictures that are contrails are headed towards the horizon, this is climbing.  This video on the KCBS page shows a bright light where the object is. I've never seen that from an airliner.

MAYBE........ IF the atmospheric conditions were just right and it was a military jet at full military power..... MAYBE........ (skeptical)
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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2010, 07:02:18 PM »
MAYBE........ IF the atmospheric conditions were just right and it was a military jet at full military power..... MAYBE........ (skeptical)

Skeptical because if it were a military jet, they would have said so and this wouldn't be national news?

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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2010, 07:55:44 PM »
I don't know why, but this reminds me so much of the same ruckus with that Coast Guard exercise on 9/11, a year ago. 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/11/cnn-runs-scanner-chatter-turns-coast-guard-exercise-security-incident/
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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2010, 08:10:54 PM »
Possibly an "accidental" launch - and they're still sorting through the chain of command to find out who and how before stripping some stripes.

Couldn't someone high up in the chain of command ask all units to conduct a quick inventory and see if anyone is missing a missle?  :thatsright:
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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2010, 08:14:04 PM »
Couldn't someone high up in the chain of command ask all units to conduct a quick inventory and see if anyone is missing a missle?  :thatsright:

One would think.  Aren't you responsible for inventory-ing your stuff?

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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2010, 08:16:11 PM »
Couldn't someone high up in the chain of command ask all units to conduct a quick inventory and see if anyone is missing a missle?  :thatsright:

True , but that does not provide the required sacrificial goat.

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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2010, 08:21:12 PM »
Aren't you responsible for inventory-ing your stuff?


absolutely.  We have to keep track of every shell (including duds that come back down) we have on property and make our storage magazines available to BATF any time they demand. 

I recall one time a few years back thru a comedy of errors, we accidentally launched a shell around 3:45PM during our system check.  You wouldn't believe the people we had crawling up our asses from Disney execs to Anaheim Police and Fire asking what happened, how it happened, why it happened, will it happen again, etc.  I can't imagine someone accidentally lets a missile fly (if that is in fact what happened) and the grown-ups in charge don't know what is up.
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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2010, 08:34:10 PM »
absolutely.  We have to keep track of every shell (including duds that come back down) we have on property and make our storage magazines available to BATF any time they demand. 

I recall one time a few years back thru a comedy of errors, we accidentally launched a shell around 3:45PM during our system check.  You wouldn't believe the people we had crawling up our asses from Disney execs to Anaheim Police and Fire asking what happened, how it happened, why it happened, will it happen again, etc.  I can't imagine someone accidentally lets a missile fly (if that is in fact what happened) and the grown-ups in charge don't know what is up.

Well, yup.  That's pretty much my point.  Aint no way no one knows WTF.  And, with that being said, everyone pretty much looks like jack-asses, until they come clean.  JMHO. 
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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2010, 08:47:14 PM »
Oh they (Pentagon) knows damn well what this was and it was NOT a jet.  We live about a mile from McCarran and I've never seen a zig zag contrail with red exhaust fumes.  Nor have I ever seen fire shooting from any of those jets.  Also, if it WAS a jet, did LAX expand their runways out into the Pacific Ocean? 

None of the excuses being thrown out are sticking to my wall. 

It was a missile.
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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2010, 07:06:45 AM »
Has anyone actually seen a missle fired? 

The notice to the pilots was issued after the sighting.

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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2010, 08:17:57 AM »
From CBS:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/09/national/main7039021.shtml

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"In addition, the FAA ran radar replays from Monday afternoon of a large area west of Los Angeles. Those replays did not reveal any fast-moving, unidentified targets. The FAA also did not receive reports of any unusual sightings from pilots who were flying in the area Monday afternoon.

"If any new information comes to light in the coming days, we will update the press and public."


So, if it were a "jet" couldn't they identify which one?   I'm starting to think it's a hoax by the local news station, because this is the only video available?  Not one cell phone camera capture out of millions who saw it too?

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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2010, 08:33:43 AM »
It is curious that in such highly-controlled airspace, which can document precisely the comings and goings of aircraft which transit it, that they can't either identify a specific aircraft to the track or find any anomalous track that isn't accountable to a known aircraft.
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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2010, 09:18:58 AM »
Has anyone actually seen a missle fired? 

The notice to the pilots was issued after the sighting.

An accidental firing from a US Naval vessle.......AYFKM

I have....... so ........  :tongue:  one EARLY morning at San Clemente Island (I was with HC-1, doing TORPEXes) Then there was Desert Storm....
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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2010, 09:39:01 AM »
As my favorite General once said " NUTS".

NO one in any kind of authority from the owner of a garage to his employee's tell his workers he has no idea what is going on to the head of our Security will announce that an event happend and they have no idea why.

GIVE ME A BREAK, no one stays in any kind of power if they are uninformed or tell every one they are clueless.

No one in their right mind goes on TV and announces that they were informed that a underwater missile was seen to be launched 35 miles off the coast of America, but no one in our multi billion budget set up to protect us has any idea of what that thing was.

It has been said that thousands of folk witnessed the event, but not a one had a camera phone, or even a disposable Kmart camera.

Lots of questions here, our military and scientists have revealed new developments in the art of Holograph projections with the help of Hollywood special effects experts.

We have been spoon fed for the last year about UFOs even appointed a scientist to the position of Ambassador to those from off world.

There is so much weird shit going on and few in the public pay attention to as they are trying to feed and cloth, house their family's.

New reports that Afghanistan has 10 trillion dollars in minerals, interesting reason to keep our military there .

No one, but No one can keep up with what is going on in the world that may directly effect us.

We just have to plod on and attempt to survive against the million different interests in the world.

We really need to specialise in one or two problems, trying to figure out all the special interests will divert us from the real threats to us.------Divide and confuse, turns us every day people into no caring give a dam folks.

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Re: Mystery Missile Launch off of California Coast
« Reply #49 on: November 10, 2010, 09:40:10 AM »
Here's an interesting blog...by an aeronautical engineer....

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/hide-the-incline/

....after a pretty convincing detailed explanation of still photos of the "launch", he concludes.....

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It was a major missile too because of the size of the contrail and the slowness of the far off bright light, which will make the future handling of this interesting.  Can we assume it is coincidence that a presidential Asia trip is in progress?  The US wouldn’t dare mess with that without a purpose I don’t think.  In fact I can’t recall ever seeing that sort of ‘show’ from the US – not that it would be impossible.   Does that sound like Obama’s style?

How do I emphasize this enough,  NORAD can track a baseball in orbit.  They would not miss a major launch and for the pentagon to pretend that they might not know if it were a plane or a rocket, is a LIE.  You are being lied to by the US government.  We don’t know the reason for the LIE but it is still a LIE because the radar is too sensitive to not know.  Of course the public will believe much of what is said if it is said in a reasonable manner but when you are clearly being LIED to, you should pay attention.

The video is incomplete, the contrail comes to an abrupt halt and without full video how can we interpret it?  From my opinion, it looks like a first stage launch of a solid rocket booster from a sub (because there is no land).  The only question I have is how they shut down the rocket so instantaneously.  Where is the falling junk or the next stage?  That means to me that it was likely of US origin.

Still there are two possibilities.

1 – the US is launching hardware outside of treaty and prohibited law.

2 – Someone who doesn’t like the US, just showed us that we are very vulnerable.

In either case the US government has some excuse to lie.