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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: farmer on August 23, 2017, 09:15:37 AM
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Utah governor says he will approve strictest DUI limit in U.S.
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/mar/23/utah-governor-says-he-will-approve-strictest-dui-l/
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I know it's weird of me, but I have this constitutional objection to being maimed or killed by a drunk driver. Even weirder, in over 45 years of driving, I've driven drunk exactly zero times - without even working to accomplish that. So I'm totally OK with this.
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I seem to recall the DUI limit in East Germany as being exactly 0.0%. Not sure how that worked out, as I didn't drive in East Germany until the Wall went down and at that point, things were rather nebulous.
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Why not just put every American in prison when they're born? Nothing is more important than safety, right?
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IDK, farmer . . . With a comment like that, it seems that you want your right to drive drunk and possibly kill someone to be over others' rights to live. That's wrong, and it's the attitude of a criminal.
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Wow.
Americans are whistling down to the concentration camps.
Saying drunk-driving should be legal is not the same thing as saying people should drive drunk.
No victim. No crime.
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Wow.
Americans are whistling down to the concentration camps.
Saying drunk-driving should be legal is not the same thing as saying people should drive drunk.
No victim. No crime.
And with that, you have squandered every shred of credibility you might have had.
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And with that, you have squandered every shred of credibility you might have had.
You're a little kinder than me.
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The US had freedom for 200 years, but now why all of the sudden do we need to live in a police state?
Do you expect the Gestapo to save you and hold your hand every time you're afraid?
Why not take some personal responsibility and protect yourself?
What will you do when our overlords decide to come for you?
Maybe you don't care now if drunk-driving is illegal, drugs are illegal, dogs are illegal, guns are illegal, yoga pants are illegal, or dancing is illegal, but what will you do when your job is banned or church is closed or the government steals your house or tortures your family? Are you just going to take it?
Wake up. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.
http://www.desototimes.com/opinion/columns_editorials/freedom-or-the-slaughterhouse-the-american-police-state-from-a/article_360deefa-2cba-11e5-ae14-c3490621c9b1.html
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The US had freedom for 200 years, but now why all of the sudden do we need to live in a police state?
Do you expect the Gestapo to save you and hold your hand every time you're afraid?
Why not take some personal responsibility and protect yourself?
What will you do when our overlords decide to come for you?
Maybe you don't care now if drunk-driving is illegal, drugs are illegal, dogs are illegal, guns are illegal, yoga pants are illegal, or dancing is illegal, but what will you do when your job is banned or church is closed or the government steals your house or tortures your family? Are you just going to take it?
Wake up. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.
http://www.desototimes.com/opinion/columns_editorials/freedom-or-the-slaughterhouse-the-american-police-state-from-a/article_360deefa-2cba-11e5-ae14-c3490621c9b1.html
You appear to be having difficulty observing the marked difference between a society where freedoms are protected by law, and one with outright anarchy and chaos.
There's a thing called "common sense" that one should generally apply to his ideology.
It may be shitty going to jail for drinking half a beer, but it's even shittier if your kid gets killed by someone coming home from TGI Fridays with a buzz.
I'm not sure if you'll be able to absorb that or not... and I probably care a lot less than I should if you can't.
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There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws.
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There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws.
I don't know why I bother engaging, but there's an obvious line between reasonable law and no law. Most people understand the lines based on social norms and ethics.
Some don't'.
Laws fundamentally exist to protect individual rights. No laws means some people trample the rights of others, and if you do so in the commission of exercising your own freedom, it's still a crime. Doesn't matter if you like it or not, that's the socially responsible position, and it's the correct and fair one. That's what a Republic is.
When there is no law, or not enough law, you get Somalia
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I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.
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I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.
again, Somalia
think about it... tickets are cheap
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Who wants to live in North Korea?
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Who wants to live in North Korea?
Somalia is a lot nicer than NK. Basically no govt. warm winters and great beaches. Really, think about it.
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There was a time when Americans believed in freedom.
The US is dying from a million cuts. Part of the reason the USA is a nanny police state now is that whenever there is a problem, the kneejerk reaction in the US is to call for a new law.
Nanny state laws are not the best solution, however. Nanny state laws lead to more laws, higher fines, and tougher sentences. Thirty-five years ago, DWI laws were enacted that led to DWI checkpoints and lower DWI levels. Seatbelt laws led to backseat seatbelt laws, childseat laws, and pet seatbelt laws. Car liability insurance laws led to health insurance laws and gun liability laws. Smoking laws that banned smoking in buildings led to laws against smoking in parks and then bans against smoking in entire cities. Sex offender registration laws led to sex offender restriction laws and violent offender registration laws.
Nanny state laws don’t make us safer, either. Nanny state laws lead people to be careless since they don’t need to have personal responsibility anymore. People don’t need to be careful crossing the street now because drunk-driving has been outlawed and driving while using a mobile phone is illegal. People don’t investigate companies or carry out due diligence because businesses must have business licenses now.
The main point of nanny state laws is not safety. The main purposes of more laws are control and revenue generation for the state.
Another reason laws are enacted is because corporations give donations to lawmakers to stifle competition or increase sales.
Many laws are contradictory, too. Some laws say watering lawns is required, while other laws say watering lawns is illegal.
Many nanny state laws that aim to solve a problem can be fixed by using existing laws.
If assault is already illegal, why do we need a new law that outlaws hitting umpires?
Nanny state laws are not even necessary. If everything was legal would you steal, murder, and use crack cocaine? Aren’t there other ways to solve problems besides calling the police? Couldn’t people educate or talk to people who bother them? Couldn’t people be sued for annoying behavior? Couldn’t people just move away? Even if assault was legal, wouldn’t attackers risk being killed or injured, too? Do people have consciences?
Having no laws doesn’t mean actions have no consequences.
If there is no victim, there is no crime.
We don’t need thousands of laws when we only need 10.
Should swimming pools be banned because they are dangerous? Hammers? Bottles? Rocks? Energy drinks? Pillows?
Where does it end?
Freedom is not just a one way street. You can only have freedom for yourself if you allow others to have it.
Control freaks might get angry when a neighbor owns three indoor cats, but what did the neighbor take from them? Why should this be illegal? Is outlawing cats something a free country should do? Doesn’t banning everything sound like the opposite of liberty?
Instead of getting mad at people who like freedom, why don’t people realize that freedom is a two way street?
If you allow others to paint their house purple then you can, too.
If you allow others to own a gun then you can, too.
If you allow others to swear then you can, too.
If you allow others to gamble then you can, too.
Who wants to live in a prison?
Think. Question everything.
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There was a time when Americans believed in freedom.
The US is dying from a million cuts. Part of the reason the USA is a nanny police state now is that whenever there is a problem, the kneejerk reaction in the US is to call for a new law.
Nanny state laws are not the best solution, however. Nanny state laws lead to more laws, higher fines, and tougher sentences. Thirty-five years ago, DWI laws were enacted that led to DWI checkpoints and lower DWI levels. Seatbelt laws led to backseat seatbelt laws, childseat laws, and pet seatbelt laws. Car liability insurance laws led to health insurance laws and gun liability laws. Smoking laws that banned smoking in buildings led to laws against smoking in parks and then bans against smoking in entire cities. Sex offender registration laws led to sex offender restriction laws and violent offender registration laws.
Nanny state laws don’t make us safer, either. Nanny state laws lead people to be careless since they don’t need to have personal responsibility anymore. People don’t need to be careful crossing the street now because drunk-driving has been outlawed and driving while using a mobile phone is illegal. People don’t investigate companies or carry out due diligence because businesses must have business licenses now.
The main point of nanny state laws is not safety. The main purposes of more laws are control and revenue generation for the state.
Another reason laws are enacted is because corporations give donations to lawmakers to stifle competition or increase sales.
Many laws are contradictory, too. Some laws say watering lawns is required, while other laws say watering lawns is illegal.
Many nanny state laws that aim to solve a problem can be fixed by using existing laws.
If assault is already illegal, why do we need a new law that outlaws hitting umpires?
Nanny state laws are not even necessary. If everything was legal would you steal, murder, and use crack cocaine? Aren’t there other ways to solve problems besides calling the police? Couldn’t people educate or talk to people who bother them? Couldn’t people be sued for annoying behavior? Couldn’t people just move away? Even if assault was legal, wouldn’t attackers risk being killed or injured, too? Do people have consciences?
Having no laws doesn’t mean actions have no consequences.
If there is no victim, there is no crime.
We don’t need thousands of laws when we only need 10.
Should swimming pools be banned because they are dangerous? Hammers? Bottles? Rocks? Energy drinks? Pillows?
Where does it end?
Freedom is not just a one way street. You can only have freedom for yourself if you allow others to have it.
Control freaks might get angry when a neighbor owns three indoor cats, but what did the neighbor take from them? Why should this be illegal? Is outlawing cats something a free country should do? Doesn’t banning everything sound like the opposite of liberty?
Instead of getting mad at people who like freedom, why don’t people realize that freedom is a two way street?
If you allow others to paint their house purple then you can, too.
If you allow others to own a gun then you can, too.
If you allow others to swear then you can, too.
If you allow others to gamble then you can, too.
Who wants to live in a prison?
Think. Question everything.
One more comment to you, then I think I'll leave you to your own devices because you appear inflexible.
Few things in this world are defined by a binary set of rules. The black and white are 1%, the rest is grey. Human societies require commons sense in order to function.
If everything MUST be a one or a zero, then there is nothing. Your static view of everything limits your ability to function in a reasonable manner, or function in a civilized society. If you can't force everything to fit your guidelines, what is next? Because that isn't going to happen, no matter how pissed off or obnoxious you might get.
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I do not challenge the dedication and sincerity of those who disagree with the freedom philosophy and confidently promote government solutions for all our ills. I am just absolutely convinced that the best formula for giving us peace and preserving the American way of life is freedom, limited government, and minding our own business overseas.
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Who wants to live in North Korea?
How's the pie there? No one ever wants to talk about NK pie.
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If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking, is freedom.
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If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking, is freedom.
your government-less Utopia awaits. why are you still sitting here?
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Flights-g294439-Somalia-Cheap_Discount_Airfares.html (https://www.tripadvisor.com/Flights-g294439-Somalia-Cheap_Discount_Airfares.html)
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your government-less Utopia awaits. why are you still sitting here?
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Flights-g294439-Somalia-Cheap_Discount_Airfares.html (https://www.tripadvisor.com/Flights-g294439-Somalia-Cheap_Discount_Airfares.html)
I smell a GoFundMe page in the future . . .
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your government-less Utopia awaits. why are you still sitting here?
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Flights-g294439-Somalia-Cheap_Discount_Airfares.html (https://www.tripadvisor.com/Flights-g294439-Somalia-Cheap_Discount_Airfares.html)
And picking up a Somali woman will be the thrill of your lifetime!
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Why should the patriots leave? Why don't the Fascists and Commies get out?
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Wow.
Americans are whistling down to the concentration camps.
Saying drunk-driving should be legal is not the same thing as saying people should drive drunk.
No victim. No crime.
States rights, DUmbass.
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Who wants to live in North Korea?
You may actually have some valid points rolling around in your head, but it's such a shame you come off as an insufferable twat.
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Why should the patriots leave? Why don't the Fascists and Commies get out?
Did the State Department confiscate your passport?
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No victim, no crime? :rotf: Really? Define "victim".
I'd say that Utah probably set their BAC at .05, as at that level, nystagmus typically occurs around 45 degrees.
Brush up on SFSTs and HGNs, what law enforcement are looking for in said sobriety tests, and then ask yourself if you want a person who fails these basic tests out driving among the general population. I'd say that Utah probably set their BAC at .05, as at that level, nystagmus typically occurs around 45 degrees.
I happen to believe DUI laws are common sense laws for those that don't possess any common sense themselves. You can always buy a handheld breathalyzer, which are reasonably accurate at telling you when you shouldn't be driving. Or just cut out the middleman, and take a cab.
I can't say I agree totally with DUI checkpoints, as I don't believe them to be very effective. Perhaps as a deterrent, maybe.
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Does anyone get the feeling that if the elites decreed that everyone must have their thumbs amputated, Americans would agree that the law makes sense and must be obeyed?
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Does anyone get the feeling that if the elites decreed that everyone must have their thumbs amputated, Americans would agree that the law makes sense and must be obeyed?
No. Next question?
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Good men don't need laws.
Bad men won't obey laws.
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Good men don't need laws.
Bad men won't obey laws.
shame God wasted his time then.
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One wonders if the real purpose of this law is to help the state meet their private prison quotas.