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Myself and several other CC members were discussion in another thread about the 4% rental income tax increase, plus the other associated cost increases that property owners will incur as a result of passage of the HCR law.

I as well as several others sent out letters to our tenants on Tuesday......I levied a 10% increase in everyone's rent, effective May 1, citing the additional taxes and expenses that I will incur as a result of this law, I specifically stated that this unfortunate increase was unexpected, as the newly elected Democrats in Washington all promised that there would be no increased taxes on middle-class Americans.  I closed with the suggestion that they consider these facts when they go to the polls in November.

Although my rental property is in a largely conservative area, my tenants are mostly young single mothers, or recent divorcees......pretty much typical Obama voters........

Well.......I received my first phone call this morning.......from a 28 year old barista from the local Starbucks, and she proceeded to tearfully tell me how unfair it was that I was increasing the rent, and that I insulted her politics, and the new president.  She further advised me that the money that her rent increase of $800 over the next twelve months was going to pay for her new health care insurance policy, which was not available at Starbucks.  She further iterated that I was taking food out of the mouth of her 18 month old (illegitimate) daughter, and she wanted to move immediately.  However, she added that she didn't want to loose her two-month security deposit, and unfortunately when she called around to other rental agencies, everyone else was increasing their rents as well.

I advised her that I would be happy to release her from her lease, but she would forfeit her deposit, as stated in the terms and conditions of our contract.  This resulted in more tears, and her comments that her Starbuck's manager had advised all employees that as a result of the HCR law, Starbuck's would be reevaluating their staff requirements, and that adjustments in compensation, benefits, and headcount would likely occur over the next few months.  She summarized that she might lose her job as a result of this.......

I was doing my very best not to break out laughing, but maintaining a serious note, she closed her plea with "is there anything that you can do for me"........after a pause, I replied......."yes, I can give you some advice......be very careful what you ask the government for........you just might get it........"

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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2010, 02:55:30 PM »
Was there a drunken Injun?  If not, I ain't buyin' it. :bouncy:
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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2010, 02:56:33 PM »
Hold up Doc...

Are your leases worded in such a way that you can legally raise the rent during the term of the existing lease?

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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2010, 03:00:31 PM »
Hold up Doc...

Are your leases worded in such a way that you can legally raise the rent during the term of the existing lease?



Yep....all have a contingency increase clause......not to exceed 10% over the term....

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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2010, 03:05:10 PM »
Was there a drunken Injun?  If not, I ain't buyin' it. :bouncy:

Well......the cop looked more like a Somali illegal than an Injun........does that work?

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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2010, 03:23:45 PM »
Yep....all have a contingency increase clause......not to exceed 10% over the term....

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Awesome.

That just makes good business sense to me.  I once signed such a lease, but the agreed upon increase was only 5% IIRC.  It was a lifetime ago.
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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2010, 03:26:45 PM »
AAawwwww... can't help but feel sorry for her. But wouldn't she be getting Medicaid? Probably can still be elgible for food stamps and a bunch of other things at her income level no doubt.

Maybe this will turn on the bulb over some of their heads?

Hey, how are YOU taking food out of their mouths?? This wasn't you, this was the government.

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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2010, 04:49:35 PM »
Elections have consequences.

I have to look at my lease. Don't think I have that clause, but I'm not sure.
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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2010, 05:05:11 PM »
Not sure how it sorted out in the final (?) version as far as medicaid funding to states but look for property tax increases to hit as well as more land on the entitlement.

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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2010, 05:12:32 PM »
AAawwwww... can't help but feel sorry for her. But wouldn't she be getting Medicaid? Probably can still be elgible for food stamps and a bunch of other things at her income level no doubt.

Maybe this will turn on the bulb over some of their heads?

Hey, how are YOU taking food out of their mouths?? This wasn't you, this was the government.

You guys realize I'm jerking your chain don't you?  The letters I sent out are real enough......the rest is.....shall we say....."embellishment"....DUmmie style.......

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My version of a "bouncy"......Chris got it right off the bat........

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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2010, 05:14:18 PM »
Elections have consequences.

I have to look at my lease. Don't think I have that clause, but I'm not sure.

You renters should not be allowed to vote.

Leave that to we that have put our own $$ on the line by buying property.

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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2010, 05:16:05 PM »
You guys realize I'm jerking your chain don't you?

My version of a "bouncy"......Chris got it right off the bat........

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I figured you might be.  That is why I asked you about your lease agreements.

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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2010, 05:17:10 PM »
You renters should not be allowed to vote.

Leave that to we that have put our own $$ on the line by buying property.

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That's fine... If I get into my surgical tech program and make it through next year, first order of business is to buy a house. That is, if VA loans are still a reality in Obamaland. So I should be able to vote again in 2012. Just in time...

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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2010, 05:18:36 PM »
You guys realize I'm jerking your chain don't you?  The letters I sent out are real enough......the rest is.....shall we say....."embellishment"....DUmmie style.......

My version of a "bouncy"......Chris got it right off the bat........

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You got me. I actually looked at my lease to see what it said about raising rent. Nothing though, so I guess I'm safe until August 1.
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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2010, 05:21:14 PM »
I figured you might be.  That is why I asked you about your lease agreements.

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That part is true....I sent the letters, but I haven't had any backlash yet......and I really don't expect any.  My houses are the nicest available in the area for rentals, and I have a waiting list for tenants that is 18 months long, so, even though I try to keep the rents fair, I don't hesitate to raise them if my expenses go up......its just business, not politics.....

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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2010, 06:46:53 PM »
That part is true....I sent the letters, but I haven't had any backlash yet......and I really don't expect any.  My houses are the nicest available in the area for rentals, and I have a waiting list for tenants that is 18 months long, so, even though I try to keep the rents fair, I don't hesitate to raise them if my expenses go up......its just business, not politics.....

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But, but ... taxes are not an expense!  How dare you!!  /dummie

We are going to start going through our leases to see who is on month to month and start our increases there.  Our lease does not allow for increases during the term but that is probably fixing to change.  It is a lease we have used for years and it looks like it is time for some updating.

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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2010, 09:36:04 PM »
I was just gonna say you have an awesome post-person, I mean, hells bells, you just sent the letters out yesterday, or maybe the day before.   :-)
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2010, 09:51:13 PM »
We rent and I was NOT expecting something like this.  Our lease says the same thing, that our landlords can raise the rent in the middle of the lease.  I'm not sure of the percentage.  I'd have to look at the lease.

If we had a 10% increase, our rent would go from $867 to about $955.  How sad.

That letter was great and if you were my landlord, I would call and applaud you for being so hones with your letter.  I'd still be upset with the increase in rent, but it's not YOUR fault.
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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2010, 10:27:03 AM »
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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2010, 12:37:54 PM »
Myself and several other CC members were discussion in another thread about the 4% rental income tax increase, plus the other associated cost increases that property owners will incur as a result of passage of the HCR law.

I as well as several others sent out letters to our tenants on Tuesday......I levied a 10% increase in everyone's rent, effective May 1, citing the additional taxes and expenses that I will incur as a result of this law, I specifically stated that this unfortunate increase was unexpected, as the newly elected Democrats in Washington all promised that there would be no increased taxes on middle-class Americans.  I closed with the suggestion that they consider these facts when they go to the polls in November.

Although my rental property is in a largely conservative area, my tenants are mostly young single mothers, or recent divorcees......pretty much typical Obama voters........

Well.......I received my first phone call this morning.......from a 28 year old barista from the local Starbucks, and she proceeded to tearfully tell me how unfair it was that I was increasing the rent, and that I insulted her politics, and the new president.  She further advised me that the money that her rent increase of $800 over the next twelve months was going to pay for her new health care insurance policy, which was not available at Starbucks.  She further iterated that I was taking food out of the mouth of her 18 month old (illegitimate) daughter, and she wanted to move immediately.  However, she added that she didn't want to loose her two-month security deposit, and unfortunately when she called around to other rental agencies, everyone else was increasing their rents as well.

I advised her that I would be happy to release her from her lease, but she would forfeit her deposit, as stated in the terms and conditions of our contract.  This resulted in more tears, and her comments that her Starbuck's manager had advised all employees that as a result of the HCR law, Starbuck's would be reevaluating their staff requirements, and that adjustments in compensation, benefits, and headcount would likely occur over the next few months.  She summarized that she might lose her job as a result of this.......

I was doing my very best not to break out laughing, but maintaining a serious note, she closed her plea with "is there anything that you can do for me"........after a pause, I replied......."yes, I can give you some advice......be very careful what you ask the government for........you just might get it........"

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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2010, 12:42:13 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2010, 01:41:43 PM »
We rent and I was NOT expecting something like this.  Our lease says the same thing, that our landlords can raise the rent in the middle of the lease.  I'm not sure of the percentage.  I'd have to look at the lease.

If we had a 10% increase, our rent would go from $867 to about $955.  How sad.

That letter was great and if you were my landlord, I would call and applaud you for being so hones with your letter.  I'd still be upset with the increase in rent, but it's not YOUR fault.


Actually EC, and I hate to tell you this, your rent of $867.00/month would go to $963.00/month on a 10% increase.  I know it isn't a whole lot of difference but for some that extra $8.00 could make a difference.  Overall you would have a $96.00/month difference and that is HUGE to a lot of renters.

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Re: Received My First Call From a Tenant About Their HCR Rent Increase
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2010, 01:45:26 PM »

Actually EC, and I hate to tell you this, your rent of $867.00/month would go to $963.00/month on a 10% increase.  I know it isn't a whole lot of difference but for some that extra $8.00 could make a difference.  Overall you would have a $96.00/month difference and that is HUGE to a lot of renters.

especially to renters scrambling to purchase their mandated health insurance and seeing their checks dwindle as the "long term care" ($150-$240 a month) tax hits them hard.

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« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2010, 04:50:11 PM »
Yeah, it would be higher then that though.  Our complex does water as "divided" throughout the complex.  We have about 600 units.  So they send out a water bill divided amongst all of the units.  Our water bill varies every month (at a high rate) even when we barely use it.  Most months our water bill is $40.  In the summer, it's up to almost $80.  Nobody conserves water because everyone else is paying for it.  I hate it... but this is one of the more affordable and nicer places in this area. 

We would have to move immediately if we receive a letter that says our rent would be raised by 10%.  We would be writing out a $1,000+ check every month with the water bill included.
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« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2010, 04:55:49 PM »
We would have to move immediately if we receive a letter that says our rent would be raised by 10%.  We would be writing out a $1,000+ check every month with the water bill included.

Move where? All investment rental properties are going to have to pay the tax, I guess if you can find an old woman who lives in a big house willing to live above the garage and rent you the house "under the table", then you can avoid it.